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PCIntern

(25,585 posts)
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:13 AM Jun 2022

Sitting on the Jersey shore beach yesterday,

I was a witness to what a great portion of America has become. About 30 feet from me was a group of 15 individuals ranging from very young to early middle-age. It looked like a combination of three or four families who were varied in appearance, but of like minds.

During three hours, I overheard the following conversations of note. Of course there were many other subjects, but I’m not going to bore you with the entire litany of hateful remarks:

1). What is this Juneteenth anyway? They just make up holidays for these people and now we all have to takeoff. Oh I forgot, I don’t get off tomorrow like they do. I never heard of this before, and do Irish like me get holidays celebrating the end of the potato famine? They’re just making stuff up to get out of work.

2). What is this monkeypox anyway? This is just another fake disease that they’ve come up with to scare us. They really took us for a ride with that Covid bullshit, I’m not getting any boosters. I got the first two shots, did you get the booster? I ain’t getting no boosters, it’s all bullshit anyway. Now they’ve come up with a new disease to try to get us to shut down again and to be afraid. They should string this Fauci guy up by his balls.

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It is rather important to mention at this point, that the word “fuck“ was used every fourth word at the very least in all conversations about nearly everything. The fact that there were young children running around and hearing this was irrelevant to the adults, all the adults,. Three of the men were smoking big fat stogie cigars which looked expensive from where I was sitting and of course using them to gesture while they were pontificating. Interestingly, I did not see a single alcoholic beverage in the time that we shared on the beach, and so one cannot describe this to the effects of alcohol upon the speechifying centers of their brains.

Thus, it has been a long week. I had a conversation with a patient last Tuesday which I wasn’t going to post, but after listening to this series of diatribes for three hours, (which interested me no end and that’s why I didn’t move to answer the question of a few here), but I’ve decided to summarize our conversation. This gentleman works in law-enforcement but he’s not a police officer, I’ll leave it at that. Mid-30s, unmarried, friendly in a south Philly style, a very good dental patient I might add, made some statements which were right out of Fox News. He was clearly trying to figure out what side of the equation I was on, and to be honest I’m pretty straightforward with people but I do not in general get into arguments with them but allow them to have their opinions without prejudice. His subjects for discussion were President Biden's mental state, Fauci being a fraud, the whole alternative lifestyle scene, and you get the drift. The interesting part was that he didn’t just state it but asked me what I thought of XYZ and then would append his opinion. I was honest in my statements to him about how I felt in regard to each subject which she brought up, and then I believe he was testing me by saying that the person he really liked was Bernie Sanders because he told the truth. My response was: You just sat here and told me that you subscribe to virtually every right wing statement out of Fox News but your big hero is Bernie Sanders? Whom do you think you’re kidding , I’m the one with the 3 inch needle and you’re beginning to get on my nerves I said with a laugh. He laughed too and we kind of called it quits.

The thing which I found upsetting concerning this particular interaction was that he was trying to feel me out without insulting me and posit various statements of “fact“ almost none of which were in fact true, and attempt to measure my response. I have felt that I had to skate carefully, like Peggy Fleming doing her compulsory figures, because the last thing I want to do is alienate people and have word get out there that I am an angry political operative of the left. Now it may be true that I am an angry political operative of the left, but it does not belong in the professional sphere and is bad for business as they say. Also, my job is to render healthcare, not judge peoples political beliefs or the validity thereof and render appropriate punishment .

I’m getting old and tired of this, and wish it would all just go away… But I know it won’t.

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Sitting on the Jersey shore beach yesterday, (Original Post) PCIntern Jun 2022 OP
Humor works best. They can't argue or get mad when laughing. multigraincracker Jun 2022 #1
WOW!!! Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #4
It is all so exhausting. PittBlue Jun 2022 #2
me too. Mr. Steve Jun 2022 #27
I know what you mean. I look for other shores, frankly. DFW Jun 2022 #3
Yeah. I live there. PCIntern Jun 2022 #22
That saves a few C notes in the summertime! n/t DFW Jun 2022 #36
I had a positive interaction the week before last. Had to go for a routine doctor's visit and ended Vinca Jun 2022 #5
I know exactly how you feel Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #6
That might be a residual opinion? Being around a lot of wingnuts in Texas, Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2022 #7
What you just described is a Democrat's life every single day in a Red State. Imagine if doc03 Jun 2022 #8
And our Democratic tragedy meetings are woefully sparsely populated. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #12
I swear Ohio is worse than any deep south state. That includes neighboring WV and western PA doc03 Jun 2022 #15
My in laws have been staying with us all week. yardwork Jun 2022 #9
How in the world do people talk so much in the dentist chair? BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #10
I bet many of them talk out of the sides of their mouth. 3Hotdogs Jun 2022 #13
Your anecdote is why I fear for the next election AND for our Country. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #11
I believe it is illegal (state law) to smoke anything on any N.J. beach. 3Hotdogs Jun 2022 #14
Some people really don't care. Remember Chris Christie sunnling like a beached whale... Hekate Jun 2022 #19
On Rt 9, around Smithville, is a billboard. It is a photo of a real estate agent. He is overweight. 3Hotdogs Jun 2022 #21
It is all so disturbing ramapo Jun 2022 #16
we still outnumber "them" by quite a bit Crazyleftie Jun 2022 #17
Yes. BlueSky3 Jun 2022 #24
Your patient spouted right-wing talking points with a mouthful of power tools? JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2022 #18
I grew up in a family where this kind of talk was every day conversation Diamond_Dog Jun 2022 #20
Hah! we're probably near the same age, but it was a little different in my family FakeNoose Jun 2022 #30
Is it fair to say. The Jungle 1 Jun 2022 #23
These sound just like my Jersey cousins CanonRay Jun 2022 #25
I am often encountering those kind of conversations these Tomconroy Jun 2022 #26
That was Texas for me musette_sf Jun 2022 #38
So very sorry that you are having to deal with such people. Thank you for niyad Jun 2022 #28
Wow. PCIntern Jun 2022 #33
It was indeed. Her artistry and grace, and her graciousness made me proud niyad Jun 2022 #34
Which beach did you go to? Wicked Blue Jun 2022 #29
It's what we call Downbeach... PCIntern Jun 2022 #32
Thanks! nt Wicked Blue Jun 2022 #35
Spent significant Jersey shore time in my teens. empedocles Jun 2022 #39
Same wtih MLK Day DownriverDem Jun 2022 #31
We stick to Asbury Park and Cape May JustAnotherGen Jun 2022 #37
Nice to hear of NJ in this thread; the shore, route 9, various towns. empedocles Jun 2022 #40
Lovely- JustAnotherGen Jun 2022 #41

multigraincracker

(32,722 posts)
1. Humor works best. They can't argue or get mad when laughing.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:29 AM
Jun 2022

I did that to a guy I stop to see about a car. Old guy, almost as old as me. Was going great until he told me he was a little worried about this guy Biden. I told him, you know what I like about the guy. He asked what and I told him "I have never seen his wife naked". He laughed so hard I thought he was going to cry.

PittBlue

(4,228 posts)
2. It is all so exhausting.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:33 AM
Jun 2022

I’m old and I hate being filled with such disdain for these horrible, hateful republicans. I wish such terrible things on each and everyone of them and I used to never think that way.

DFW

(54,443 posts)
3. I know what you mean. I look for other shores, frankly.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:34 AM
Jun 2022

I went to college in Philadelphia, so I ran into the type of "man on the Jersey shore" that you describe with some regularity. I imagine the cast of characters has changed, but the script of the play has not. That just IS the type of person you can run into there, especially if THEY have lots of beer, and YOU have bad luck.

My wife and I, despite the distance (about 4000 miles) and hassle of getting there, take our summer vacations on the east coast of the USA as well. But we go to the outer tip of Cape Cod in Massachusetts. Lots of academic types, mostly (though not all) environmentally aware people, and lots of politically like-minded people. Sure, there are SOME loud-mouthed people with such empty lives that they just HAVE to scream out their right wing ideology at high volume to see if they can have a fight, but they are precious few in that part of the world.

DFW

(54,443 posts)
36. That saves a few C notes in the summertime! n/t
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:19 AM
Jun 2022

Wellfleet is OK, but Provincetown will whack you for $25 just for THINKING about parking there.

Vinca

(50,304 posts)
5. I had a positive interaction the week before last. Had to go for a routine doctor's visit and ended
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:39 AM
Jun 2022

up having a cathartic discussion with the assistant to the nurse practioner I was seeing. I had never seen this lady before, but somehow we ended up discussing the gun insanity and the January 6 hearings. For the life of me I can't recall how it started since I usually avoid politics with people I don't know. In any case, she was every bit as horrified as I am at the state of the world and we both said we felt better after letting it out. I know my blood pressure was lower than it's been in a long time after our talk. As for you, PC, if I ever win a foolish amount of money in the lottery and buy the deserted island of my dreams, you're invited to come sit on the beach in peace.

Trueblue Texan

(2,443 posts)
6. I know exactly how you feel
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:39 AM
Jun 2022

I also work in healthcare and have to tiptoe around in my work to avoid these kinds of situations. I'm exposed to Fox News slime in most homes I visit in my work and all facilities--which smacks of brainwashing to me. I think all the right wing bullshit is the main cause of my burnout, especially since COVID. I look forward to retirement and plan to do it earlier than I'd initially thought I would. I'm just too tired to listen to the right wing shit anymore.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
7. That might be a residual opinion? Being around a lot of wingnuts in Texas,
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:43 AM
Jun 2022

I remember them saying that Bernie was great for ONE reason .. they hated Hillary. Yes made zero sense . But I took it like they had a hierarchy of bigotry white man trumped ( no pun intended) any woman..

doc03

(35,378 posts)
8. What you just described is a Democrat's life every single day in a Red State. Imagine if
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:44 AM
Jun 2022

you were the one Democrat out of every 20 people you know. People here openly wear their F--- Joe Biden
t-shirts in public and fly F--- Joe Biden flags in their yard. Out in public you will hear the "N" word daily. If you
say anything about Trump you are immediately shouted down. I only know a handful of people that are Democrats.
If you get 3 or 4 of them together, they will start a conversation like you heard trying rattle your chain.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
12. And our Democratic tragedy meetings are woefully sparsely populated.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:53 AM
Jun 2022

Living in Alabama is very disheartening and not even the worst state in which to live.

doc03

(35,378 posts)
15. I swear Ohio is worse than any deep south state. That includes neighboring WV and western PA
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:11 AM
Jun 2022

all of them were Democratic strongholds until Reagan. Democrats died off with Bill Clinton signing NAFTA.

yardwork

(61,711 posts)
9. My in laws have been staying with us all week.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:47 AM
Jun 2022

They don't curse and they drink a lot. They're also a lot more polite so their opinions are expressed (mostly) through sullen silences rather than saying things out loud. Other than that, they align well with your beach family. Another family member who is a literal antifa has been staying with us as well. It's been a very long week. Lots of sullen silences, and self-sequestration of small groups of like-minded people. Everybody is leaving now. Yay.

This "I'm vaxxed but I won't get the boosters" is a common theme. Most be something Hannity is telling them. They're all mad at me for asking us all to take Covid tests before a big barbecue earlier this week. To bad. I insisted.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
10. How in the world do people talk so much in the dentist chair?
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:47 AM
Jun 2022

I don’t remember ever being able to say more than a few words, much less carry on a conversation of any depth.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
11. Your anecdote is why I fear for the next election AND for our Country.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:51 AM
Jun 2022

The feelings you overheard are much more widespread than we realize. These people felt comfortable spouting such hateful speech because they were in a group of like minded individuals. It is, indeed, a cult. Some are just more openly racist and homophobic than others.

Hekate

(90,827 posts)
19. Some people really don't care. Remember Chris Christie sunnling like a beached whale...
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:29 AM
Jun 2022

…with his family when public beaches were closed?

3Hotdogs

(12,409 posts)
21. On Rt 9, around Smithville, is a billboard. It is a photo of a real estate agent. He is overweight.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:33 AM
Jun 2022

The photo is of him sitting on a beach, in a chair, same pose as Christie. Big smile on his face.

I gotta admit. The guy has a sense of humor.

ramapo

(4,589 posts)
16. It is all so disturbing
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:14 AM
Jun 2022

The ignorance, apathy, hatred, lack of empathy, total self-involvement and general sense of entitlement and victimhood leaves me an ongoing sense of dread, bewilderment and most of all, sadness.

I am 67. Never did I think we get to this place. I blame my generation and those surrounding it for this sorry situation.

I guess this is what becomes of the the ‘Me’ generation.

BlueSky3

(514 posts)
24. Yes.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:05 AM
Jun 2022

We can allow ourselves to be exhausted and feel defeated by the current state of things, or we can remain hopeful and do what each of us can to make things better. It’s not easy, but doing nothing is harder.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
18. Your patient spouted right-wing talking points with a mouthful of power tools?
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:28 AM
Jun 2022

He must be related to Demosthenes.

But, you hold the needls of Damocles.

Diamond_Dog

(32,068 posts)
20. I grew up in a family where this kind of talk was every day conversation
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:31 AM
Jun 2022

Well, without the profanity.

“We’re always bending over backwards to those people” and many branches on that theme. N word was not uncommon to hear. I don’t know how I turned out to be a liberal. I seem to be the only one in my family who did. Thank goodness my husband and grown sons are all liberals, too.

Living in Ohio I get sick and tired of hearing the “stupid talk” all around me in public, too.

I don’t get the theme of “I got vaxxed but I’m not getting the boosters”. I follow my doctor’s advice on medical issues because I figure he knows more than I do and I trust him. Why should I be ridiculed for that?



FakeNoose

(32,767 posts)
30. Hah! we're probably near the same age, but it was a little different in my family
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:57 AM
Jun 2022

Heaven forbid any of us kids to use the N word. You got spanked and sent to your room with no dinner.

If you used the F word, you got your mouth washed out with soap. Lesser cusswords like "shit" and "damn" weren't encouraged either, but they were sometimes tolerated.

My parents and grandparents were careful with the language they used around us kids. We were encouraged to express our opinions, don't get me wrong. We could be liberal or conservative and that didn't matter so much. But we could never insult anyone or use swearwords of any kind.

What the world is coming to now, I don't think my parents would have been able to deal with this. We were just a normal middle-class Midwestern family, growing up in the 50's and 60's.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
23. Is it fair to say.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:47 AM
Jun 2022

The wild and growing division in this nation is because the losers do not like democracy when they lose.
I have friends who are still not over the last election. I hated trump but his win did not control my life for four years.

CanonRay

(14,118 posts)
25. These sound just like my Jersey cousins
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:14 AM
Jun 2022

not stupid people, just willfully ignorant and brainwashed by Fox.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
26. I am often encountering those kind of conversations these
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:16 AM
Jun 2022

days. People trying to figure out where you belong. Usually easy to handle with some brief reply that let's people know in a pleasant where you are not an ally.
I remember in the 80s my father was down in rural Georgia working on the transfer of a factory. People would always ask him: What Church do you belong to?
Just trying to figure out where you fit in their tiny universe.

musette_sf

(10,206 posts)
38. That was Texas for me
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:57 AM
Jun 2022

“What church do you belong to?”

I’d just name the last church I’d been to for a wedding or baptism. The business and social situations in which this BS occurred would not have been helped by the correct response of “who the F needs to know and what F’ng business is it of yours?”

niyad

(113,576 posts)
28. So very sorry that you are having to deal with such people. Thank you for
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:48 AM
Jun 2022

the Peggy Fleming reference. I got to be on the ice with her several times.

niyad

(113,576 posts)
34. It was indeed. Her artistry and grace, and her graciousness made me proud
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 10:19 AM
Jun 2022

to be a sister alumna.

Wicked Blue

(5,851 posts)
29. Which beach did you go to?
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:52 AM
Jun 2022

I love Island Beach State Park. So beautiful, and less crowded than other places.

Also, is your dental practice anywhere near Toms River? Thinking of moving there.



PCIntern

(25,585 posts)
32. It's what we call Downbeach...
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 10:09 AM
Jun 2022

The three towns south of Atlantic City on the island. I don’t want to be more specific than that because I know that we are not the only people who read this site…

And my dental practice is not near there, but thank you for asking.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
39. Spent significant Jersey shore time in my teens.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:39 PM
Jun 2022

Have a number of jersey cousins. Some have shore places - Brigantine, etc. They are not stupid, or hate-filled.

I have a feel for their 'red' attitude. However, imho, 'fear', is a significant factor behind the attitude.

[I left the state at 18. I don't agree with the 'red' attitude. I make the point, because that attitude is wide, and will be a big November factor, imho.]

DownriverDem

(6,231 posts)
31. Same wtih MLK Day
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 10:02 AM
Jun 2022

When the firm I was working for announced we would be off on MLK Day, some hateful repubs said they'd rather pick another day to be off. Their comments were reported and they were called in by HR about it. My boss said why don't they just take the day off and shut up about it.

JustAnotherGen

(31,902 posts)
37. We stick to Asbury Park and Cape May
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:46 AM
Jun 2022

Live out in Hunterdon County - so the County is as red and ignorant as the 'Southern NJ' states.

Hard when you have great parking right near the beach.

Cape May and Asbury (jmho) tend to be quite a bit more liberal in the beach goers and restaurant/bars that surround them.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
40. Nice to hear of NJ in this thread; the shore, route 9, various towns.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:47 PM
Jun 2022

I was from Edison, and roamed the beaches, river towns, and mountains in my motorcyle.

Great date activity also.

JustAnotherGen

(31,902 posts)
41. Lovely-
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:34 PM
Jun 2022

I'm a transplant from Western NY, my husband from Calabria in Italy (though he lived 7/8 years in the Bronx when he was a little kid).

We are both very well traveled.

I love the New Jersey beaches. I would rather (now that I'm older) spend money for a few days at a hotel in Cape May than go to St Trop or Ibizia -

just beautiful beaches and night life.

When my dad was station at Fort Dix (almost 50 years ago) - my parents used to go to Chicken Bone beach in A.C. and in to the Cape May beaches. For a mixed race couple in 1967 and then 1971-72 - they were great places to beach for the day!

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