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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSitting on the Jersey shore beach yesterday,
I was a witness to what a great portion of America has become. About 30 feet from me was a group of 15 individuals ranging from very young to early middle-age. It looked like a combination of three or four families who were varied in appearance, but of like minds.
During three hours, I overheard the following conversations of note. Of course there were many other subjects, but Im not going to bore you with the entire litany of hateful remarks:
1). What is this Juneteenth anyway? They just make up holidays for these people and now we all have to takeoff. Oh I forgot, I dont get off tomorrow like they do. I never heard of this before, and do Irish like me get holidays celebrating the end of the potato famine? Theyre just making stuff up to get out of work.
2). What is this monkeypox anyway? This is just another fake disease that theyve come up with to scare us. They really took us for a ride with that Covid bullshit, Im not getting any boosters. I got the first two shots, did you get the booster? I aint getting no boosters, its all bullshit anyway. Now theyve come up with a new disease to try to get us to shut down again and to be afraid. They should string this Fauci guy up by his balls.
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It is rather important to mention at this point, that the word fuck was used every fourth word at the very least in all conversations about nearly everything. The fact that there were young children running around and hearing this was irrelevant to the adults, all the adults,. Three of the men were smoking big fat stogie cigars which looked expensive from where I was sitting and of course using them to gesture while they were pontificating. Interestingly, I did not see a single alcoholic beverage in the time that we shared on the beach, and so one cannot describe this to the effects of alcohol upon the speechifying centers of their brains.
Thus, it has been a long week. I had a conversation with a patient last Tuesday which I wasnt going to post, but after listening to this series of diatribes for three hours, (which interested me no end and thats why I didnt move to answer the question of a few here), but Ive decided to summarize our conversation. This gentleman works in law-enforcement but hes not a police officer, Ill leave it at that. Mid-30s, unmarried, friendly in a south Philly style, a very good dental patient I might add, made some statements which were right out of Fox News. He was clearly trying to figure out what side of the equation I was on, and to be honest Im pretty straightforward with people but I do not in general get into arguments with them but allow them to have their opinions without prejudice. His subjects for discussion were President Biden's mental state, Fauci being a fraud, the whole alternative lifestyle scene, and you get the drift. The interesting part was that he didnt just state it but asked me what I thought of XYZ and then would append his opinion. I was honest in my statements to him about how I felt in regard to each subject which she brought up, and then I believe he was testing me by saying that the person he really liked was Bernie Sanders because he told the truth. My response was: You just sat here and told me that you subscribe to virtually every right wing statement out of Fox News but your big hero is Bernie Sanders? Whom do you think youre kidding , Im the one with the 3 inch needle and youre beginning to get on my nerves I said with a laugh. He laughed too and we kind of called it quits.
The thing which I found upsetting concerning this particular interaction was that he was trying to feel me out without insulting me and posit various statements of fact almost none of which were in fact true, and attempt to measure my response. I have felt that I had to skate carefully, like Peggy Fleming doing her compulsory figures, because the last thing I want to do is alienate people and have word get out there that I am an angry political operative of the left. Now it may be true that I am an angry political operative of the left, but it does not belong in the professional sphere and is bad for business as they say. Also, my job is to render healthcare, not judge peoples political beliefs or the validity thereof and render appropriate punishment .
Im getting old and tired of this, and wish it would all just go away
But I know it wont.
multigraincracker
(32,722 posts)I did that to a guy I stop to see about a car. Old guy, almost as old as me. Was going great until he told me he was a little worried about this guy Biden. I told him, you know what I like about the guy. He asked what and I told him "I have never seen his wife naked". He laughed so hard I thought he was going to cry.
Trueblue Texan
(2,443 posts)That is a GREAT comeback! So perfect because it's TRUE!! Good job!
PittBlue
(4,228 posts)Im old and I hate being filled with such disdain for these horrible, hateful republicans. I wish such terrible things on each and everyone of them and I used to never think that way.
DFW
(54,443 posts)I went to college in Philadelphia, so I ran into the type of "man on the Jersey shore" that you describe with some regularity. I imagine the cast of characters has changed, but the script of the play has not. That just IS the type of person you can run into there, especially if THEY have lots of beer, and YOU have bad luck.
My wife and I, despite the distance (about 4000 miles) and hassle of getting there, take our summer vacations on the east coast of the USA as well. But we go to the outer tip of Cape Cod in Massachusetts. Lots of academic types, mostly (though not all) environmentally aware people, and lots of politically like-minded people. Sure, there are SOME loud-mouthed people with such empty lives that they just HAVE to scream out their right wing ideology at high volume to see if they can have a fight, but they are precious few in that part of the world.
PCIntern
(25,585 posts)Free parking at my house
DFW
(54,443 posts)Wellfleet is OK, but Provincetown will whack you for $25 just for THINKING about parking there.
Vinca
(50,304 posts)up having a cathartic discussion with the assistant to the nurse practioner I was seeing. I had never seen this lady before, but somehow we ended up discussing the gun insanity and the January 6 hearings. For the life of me I can't recall how it started since I usually avoid politics with people I don't know. In any case, she was every bit as horrified as I am at the state of the world and we both said we felt better after letting it out. I know my blood pressure was lower than it's been in a long time after our talk. As for you, PC, if I ever win a foolish amount of money in the lottery and buy the deserted island of my dreams, you're invited to come sit on the beach in peace.
Trueblue Texan
(2,443 posts)I also work in healthcare and have to tiptoe around in my work to avoid these kinds of situations. I'm exposed to Fox News slime in most homes I visit in my work and all facilities--which smacks of brainwashing to me. I think all the right wing bullshit is the main cause of my burnout, especially since COVID. I look forward to retirement and plan to do it earlier than I'd initially thought I would. I'm just too tired to listen to the right wing shit anymore.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)I remember them saying that Bernie was great for ONE reason .. they hated Hillary. Yes made zero sense . But I took it like they had a hierarchy of bigotry white man trumped ( no pun intended) any woman..
doc03
(35,378 posts)you were the one Democrat out of every 20 people you know. People here openly wear their F--- Joe Biden
t-shirts in public and fly F--- Joe Biden flags in their yard. Out in public you will hear the "N" word daily. If you
say anything about Trump you are immediately shouted down. I only know a handful of people that are Democrats.
If you get 3 or 4 of them together, they will start a conversation like you heard trying rattle your chain.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)Living in Alabama is very disheartening and not even the worst state in which to live.
doc03
(35,378 posts)all of them were Democratic strongholds until Reagan. Democrats died off with Bill Clinton signing NAFTA.
yardwork
(61,711 posts)They don't curse and they drink a lot. They're also a lot more polite so their opinions are expressed (mostly) through sullen silences rather than saying things out loud. Other than that, they align well with your beach family. Another family member who is a literal antifa has been staying with us as well. It's been a very long week. Lots of sullen silences, and self-sequestration of small groups of like-minded people. Everybody is leaving now. Yay.
This "I'm vaxxed but I won't get the boosters" is a common theme. Most be something Hannity is telling them. They're all mad at me for asking us all to take Covid tests before a big barbecue earlier this week. To bad. I insisted.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I dont remember ever being able to say more than a few words, much less carry on a conversation of any depth.
3Hotdogs
(12,409 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)The feelings you overheard are much more widespread than we realize. These people felt comfortable spouting such hateful speech because they were in a group of like minded individuals. It is, indeed, a cult. Some are just more openly racist and homophobic than others.
3Hotdogs
(12,409 posts)Hekate
(90,827 posts)
with his family when public beaches were closed?
3Hotdogs
(12,409 posts)The photo is of him sitting on a beach, in a chair, same pose as Christie. Big smile on his face.
I gotta admit. The guy has a sense of humor.
ramapo
(4,589 posts)The ignorance, apathy, hatred, lack of empathy, total self-involvement and general sense of entitlement and victimhood leaves me an ongoing sense of dread, bewilderment and most of all, sadness.
I am 67. Never did I think we get to this place. I blame my generation and those surrounding it for this sorry situation.
I guess this is what becomes of the the Me generation.
Crazyleftie
(458 posts)it is just a matter of everyone voting
We can allow ourselves to be exhausted and feel defeated by the current state of things, or we can remain hopeful and do what each of us can to make things better. Its not easy, but doing nothing is harder.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)He must be related to Demosthenes.
But, you hold the needls of Damocles.
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)Well, without the profanity.
Were always bending over backwards to those people and many branches on that theme. N word was not uncommon to hear. I dont know how I turned out to be a liberal. I seem to be the only one in my family who did. Thank goodness my husband and grown sons are all liberals, too.
Living in Ohio I get sick and tired of hearing the stupid talk all around me in public, too.
I dont get the theme of I got vaxxed but Im not getting the boosters. I follow my doctors advice on medical issues because I figure he knows more than I do and I trust him. Why should I be ridiculed for that?
FakeNoose
(32,767 posts)Heaven forbid any of us kids to use the N word. You got spanked and sent to your room with no dinner.
If you used the F word, you got your mouth washed out with soap. Lesser cusswords like "shit" and "damn" weren't encouraged either, but they were sometimes tolerated.
My parents and grandparents were careful with the language they used around us kids. We were encouraged to express our opinions, don't get me wrong. We could be liberal or conservative and that didn't matter so much. But we could never insult anyone or use swearwords of any kind.
What the world is coming to now, I don't think my parents would have been able to deal with this. We were just a normal middle-class Midwestern family, growing up in the 50's and 60's.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)The wild and growing division in this nation is because the losers do not like democracy when they lose.
I have friends who are still not over the last election. I hated trump but his win did not control my life for four years.
CanonRay
(14,118 posts)not stupid people, just willfully ignorant and brainwashed by Fox.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)days. People trying to figure out where you belong. Usually easy to handle with some brief reply that let's people know in a pleasant where you are not an ally.
I remember in the 80s my father was down in rural Georgia working on the transfer of a factory. People would always ask him: What Church do you belong to?
Just trying to figure out where you fit in their tiny universe.
musette_sf
(10,206 posts)What church do you belong to?
Id just name the last church Id been to for a wedding or baptism. The business and social situations in which this BS occurred would not have been helped by the correct response of who the F needs to know and what Fng business is it of yours?
niyad
(113,576 posts)the Peggy Fleming reference. I got to be on the ice with her several times.
Now that mustve been an unforgettable experience.
niyad
(113,576 posts)to be a sister alumna.
Wicked Blue
(5,851 posts)I love Island Beach State Park. So beautiful, and less crowded than other places.
Also, is your dental practice anywhere near Toms River? Thinking of moving there.
PCIntern
(25,585 posts)The three towns south of Atlantic City on the island. I dont want to be more specific than that because I know that we are not the only people who read this site
And my dental practice is not near there, but thank you for asking.
Wicked Blue
(5,851 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)Have a number of jersey cousins. Some have shore places - Brigantine, etc. They are not stupid, or hate-filled.
I have a feel for their 'red' attitude. However, imho, 'fear', is a significant factor behind the attitude.
[I left the state at 18. I don't agree with the 'red' attitude. I make the point, because that attitude is wide, and will be a big November factor, imho.]
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)When the firm I was working for announced we would be off on MLK Day, some hateful repubs said they'd rather pick another day to be off. Their comments were reported and they were called in by HR about it. My boss said why don't they just take the day off and shut up about it.
JustAnotherGen
(31,902 posts)Live out in Hunterdon County - so the County is as red and ignorant as the 'Southern NJ' states.
Hard when you have great parking right near the beach.
Cape May and Asbury (jmho) tend to be quite a bit more liberal in the beach goers and restaurant/bars that surround them.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)I was from Edison, and roamed the beaches, river towns, and mountains in my motorcyle.
Great date activity also.
JustAnotherGen
(31,902 posts)I'm a transplant from Western NY, my husband from Calabria in Italy (though he lived 7/8 years in the Bronx when he was a little kid).
We are both very well traveled.
I love the New Jersey beaches. I would rather (now that I'm older) spend money for a few days at a hotel in Cape May than go to St Trop or Ibizia -
just beautiful beaches and night life.
When my dad was station at Fort Dix (almost 50 years ago) - my parents used to go to Chicken Bone beach in A.C. and in to the Cape May beaches. For a mixed race couple in 1967 and then 1971-72 - they were great places to beach for the day!