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In It to Win It

(8,236 posts)
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:05 PM Jun 2022

The whole Texas GOP platform is insane but the piece that jumped out to me was the endorsement of a

Paul Waldman
@paulwaldman1

3h
1. The whole Texas GOP platform is insane but the piece that jumped out to me was the endorsement of a state-level electoral college, eliminating one person-one vote in favor of a system they could gerrymander so that the votes of white rural Republicans will count more.

2. This is not the first time this has come up. Not long ago a Colorado GOP governor candidate offered such a plan; an analysis found it would give 2,000 voters in three rural counties twice as many electoral votes as 761,000 voters in three urban counties.

3. This is a road test: Does the base like this? How much blowback does it get? Based on the results, more and more Republicans will probably start advocating the same thing in their states.

4. The GOP is now in a stage of radical experimentation. They're feeling so empowered that they're throwing around ideas that two years ago they'd never have spoken aloud because they're so radical. Now there are literally no limits.

5. Eliminating democracy is THE KEY to every other ideological goal. If you can engineer the system so you always have power no matter what, the voters can't stop you and all your darkest fantasies can be realized.

6. They're still figuring out the shape of this new program; calling it 21st century fascism isn't totally inaccurate, but we may need a new word to describe it. Either way, it's impossible to overstate how dangerous it is.















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The whole Texas GOP platform is insane but the piece that jumped out to me was the endorsement of a (Original Post) In It to Win It Jun 2022 OP
Lie, cheat, steal. It's all they have. SheltieLover Jun 2022 #1
They've been fans of splitting the electoral vote in blue states. tanyev Jun 2022 #2
So, they're blatantly suggesting that representative democracy is over. The land of "rights." lindysalsagal Jun 2022 #3
The Radical Right. Brenda Jun 2022 #4
This smells like ALEC or Heritage Foundation bullshit. rubbersole Jun 2022 #5
Yep, it smells, alright. Stinks, in fact. calimary Jun 2022 #22
Isn't that how it was before 1836? Farmer-Rick Jun 2022 #24
yep uponit7771 Jun 2022 #27
Yep. I read the Kochs have been funding the purging of Hortensis Jun 2022 #40
It's abundantly evident Republicans can no longer be trusted to hold free and fair elections. sop Jun 2022 #6
Well, it looks like Leith Jun 2022 #7
They really hate the large metro areas. And the people in them. Liberal In Texas Jun 2022 #8
I keep hoping, but we always seem to fall short. Texas is huge, and there are a lot of rural areas. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #11
Nothing short of Racism. Misogyny. Intolerance. Hate. Tommymac Jun 2022 #12
GOP states will reject federal laws and operate independently. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #9
It's a corporate run state, so of course it's going renegade and trying to destabilize rule of law ancianita Jun 2022 #10
Very good info. making new rules to circumvent democracy. other states will use Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #13
"These are people who claim to love America, but clearly can't stand Americans." A HERETIC I AM Jun 2022 #14
Call it "the dictatorship of white rural men" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2022 #15
START the STEAL Martin Eden Jun 2022 #16
Stealing elections since 2000. Putin paid attention to how easy they make it. czarjak Jun 2022 #17
I'd rephrase this NJCher Jun 2022 #18
Empowered is 100% correct Cosmocat Jun 2022 #21
you are unfortunately NJCher Jun 2022 #23
The long view is that since Nixon Cosmocat Jun 2022 #25
Here ya' go NJCher Jun 2022 #29
You can't beat the enemy if you don't know them Cosmocat Jun 2022 #30
actually NJCher Jun 2022 #33
Play your word games Cosmocat Jun 2022 #34
who empowered them? NJCher Jun 2022 #36
They've been moniss Jun 2022 #19
"new word to describe it." KS Toronado Jun 2022 #20
David Frum said it best... BadGimp Jun 2022 #26
Can't say it any better than that, because I see this happening with people I know. Efilroft Sul Jun 2022 #44
White....male....property owner you can vote durablend Jun 2022 #28
K&R. Mike Niendorff Jun 2022 #31
k&r UTUSN Jun 2022 #32
Power-mad in Texas. Must be the heat. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2022 #35
Republicans cannot win elections with their ideas. So rather than change their ideas, mn9driver Jun 2022 #37
KnR MiHale Jun 2022 #38
Yup. Fascistic ultraconservatives have taken over the TX GOP. Hortensis Jun 2022 #39
Apparently... RevBrotherThomas Jun 2022 #41
I'm just about over this bullshit. Guess we will be looking for a place out of the country. flying_wahini Jun 2022 #42
As their popularity and voter base shrinks, the GOP has to rely on cheating and rigging the game. Martin68 Jun 2022 #43
Exactly NC DENVERPOPS Jun 2022 #45

lindysalsagal

(20,670 posts)
3. So, they're blatantly suggesting that representative democracy is over. The land of "rights."
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:09 PM
Jun 2022

As in, their rights to their gunz. But they don't care if their right to vote is stolen. That's perfectly fine.

Brenda

(1,050 posts)
4. The Radical Right.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:10 PM
Jun 2022

Last edited Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:48 PM - Edit history (1)

I wish Dems would use the Radical Right's own fucking projection words right back at them.

rubbersole

(6,686 posts)
5. This smells like ALEC or Heritage Foundation bullshit.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:26 PM
Jun 2022

Introduced in repub controlled states after a test drive in Florida or Texas. Oligarchs getting their money's worth.

Farmer-Rick

(10,154 posts)
24. Isn't that how it was before 1836?
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:02 PM
Jun 2022

State reps voted for presidential electors. Citizens didn't get a vote.

I bet if Texas GOPers looks even further back into history they'll find all sorts of archain laws and voting restrictions they would love. How about poll taxes...oh yeah, that's what the real ID crap is all about. Or maybe filthy rich kings and lords handing out edicts like gods.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Yep. I read the Kochs have been funding the purging of
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:09 AM
Jun 2022

more moderate conservatives from the TX Republican Party, and others. And "moderate" is relative. By last century's standards, before Koch Alliance money helped move the entire party way right, today's would not qualify as moderate.

sop

(10,156 posts)
6. It's abundantly evident Republicans can no longer be trusted to hold free and fair elections.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:39 PM
Jun 2022

For years elections to Republicans have been merely perfunctory affirmations of their white supremacy. They feel so entitled to victory that when it looks like they'll lose power due to changing demographics, elections have to be stolen.

Liberal In Texas

(13,546 posts)
8. They really hate the large metro areas. And the people in them.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:58 PM
Jun 2022

They're showing their fear that the RW might finally get voted out. Every election we get closer and closer to taking the state over.

This is nothing short of fascism.

Lonestarblue

(9,975 posts)
11. I keep hoping, but we always seem to fall short. Texas is huge, and there are a lot of rural areas.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:10 PM
Jun 2022

I have this fantasy that Beto beats Greg Abbott because of all the new businesses Abbott lured to Texas with huge tax giveaways and the voters who came from blue states for those jobs. That would be sweet! And it could have happened before all the voter suppression laws. Now it will be tough because we know mail enough ballots will be tossed in the trash for some small clerical error in all the Democratic cities so Abbott can win. Clerical errors will be ignored for Republican ballots.

I’m encouraging everyone I know to vote in person if they can this fall because it’s more difficult to change or throw out electronic votes with newer machines having paper backups. Plus, you don’t have to know what the secret Republican handshake is to fill out the mail ballot and its envelope. We got new machines in Travis County a couple of years ago, but I don’t know how many counties still use old machines without a paper trail.

Irish_Dem

(46,922 posts)
9. GOP states will reject federal laws and operate independently.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:03 PM
Jun 2022

Of course they will still be taker states and have their hands open for federal dollars, but reject federal laws they don't like.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
10. It's a corporate run state, so of course it's going renegade and trying to destabilize rule of law
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:07 PM
Jun 2022

nationwide.

Big Corps likely aims to base its fascist takeover of democracy out of Texas.

All the while, Texas will want to do Big Corps' bidding while still demanding all their federal constitutional 'rights and protections.'

Evolve Dammit

(16,723 posts)
13. Very good info. making new rules to circumvent democracy. other states will use
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:19 PM
Jun 2022

anything that works as their roadmap. "Clear and present danger" to our republic.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,366 posts)
14. "These are people who claim to love America, but clearly can't stand Americans."
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:22 PM
Jun 2022

- Annette Bening as Sydney Ellen Wade in “The American President”

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
15. Call it "the dictatorship of white rural men"
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:38 PM
Jun 2022

I can find "agrotocracy" for "rule by farmers", but it's not quite that; it's rule by people who live in sparsely-populated areas. And have guns, and friends in the capital city, so those non-white types who also live in sparsely-populated areas (eg Native Americans) just don't happen to get power, thanks to the way the boundaries are gerrymandered. Google Translate points me to something starting "agrot-" for rural, or "exoch-" for countryside, but I don't even know if those are just modern Greek, or ancient Greek too.

NJCher

(35,658 posts)
18. I'd rephrase this
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:03 PM
Jun 2022

from this:

4. The GOP is now in a stage of radical experimentation. They're feeling so empowered that they're throwing around ideas that two years ago they'd never have spoken aloud because they're so radical. Now there are literally no limits.



to this:

The GOP is now in a stage of radical experimentation. They're feeling so desperate that they're throwing around ideas that two years ago they'd never have spoken aloud because they're so radical. Now there are literally no limits.

NJCher

(35,658 posts)
23. you are unfortunately
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:52 PM
Jun 2022

Last edited Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:37 PM - Edit history (1)

giving them more credit than they are due. Take the long view, not the short term view.

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
25. The long view is that since Nixon
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 06:07 PM
Jun 2022

They keep getting worse and suffer less consequences. That us why they are empowered, and know it.

NJCher

(35,658 posts)
29. Here ya' go
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:59 PM
Jun 2022

This is why "empowered" is the wrong word. Poor word choice.

empowered
adjective
invested with legal power or official authority especially as symbolized by having a scepter.
enabled or permitted.
Having been given the power to make choices relevant to one's situation.

The word simply does not apply in this situation.

Nixon had to resign. Many of the people in the scandal went to prison, including John Dean.

Regardless, you seem bent on admiring these oafs, so enjoy your fanboy endeavor.

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
30. You can't beat the enemy if you don't know them
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 10:50 PM
Jun 2022

Your childish response is aligned w your childish position.

These people are no joke, and they aren't just going to go away.

If you don't recognize how grave of a threat they are you are part of the problem.

NJCher

(35,658 posts)
33. actually
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:24 AM
Jun 2022

First, nobody said they were going to go away. You are introducing issues that aren't even being argued. While I wouldn't call that childish, it is uneducated.

Nobody said they were a joke, either. Again: you have nothing to respond with so it appears you're introducing a new issue. Totally unacceptable in argumentation.

You are using a word that is incorrect.The word incorrectly attributes a quality that does not exist with this adversary. And you don't have the slightest idea why that is important, do you?

Not even the foggiest notion.

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
34. Play your word games
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 05:50 AM
Jun 2022

These people are 10O% empowered.

They stormed the fricken capital building in mass, smaller assaults on state capitals, were ready to abduct a governor tie her up and set her adrift in the middle of a great lake, nearly pulled off a fake electors scam and actively working to make sure they can execute it fully the next time.

You asking them as "oafs" is in line w your lack of seriousness on the grave threat they are.

They intend to do GREAT harm to many, and each and every day are one step closer to being to the point to do so.

I'm done trifling around w you on this.

NJCher

(35,658 posts)
36. who empowered them?
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 10:26 AM
Jun 2022

you'll defeat your argument if you answer that question.

Oh, and words matter. It is not a matter of "word games." Unless, of course, you are trying to weasle out of something. Then it becomes a word game.

moniss

(4,214 posts)
19. They've been
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:09 PM
Jun 2022

advocating similar sentiments in Midwestern states for decades now. They don't want to pay taxes, support schools etc. It's all about getting power and keeping it. You hear them all the time wailing about how come the cities have more representatives etc. That's why they draw state districts that are almost the length of the state and only a few miles wide or draw ones that are barely recognizable.

BadGimp

(4,015 posts)
26. David Frum said it best...
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 06:34 PM
Jun 2022

#GOPsurrender


“… If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”
― David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic 2018

Mike Niendorff

(3,460 posts)
31. K&R.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:17 PM
Jun 2022

This is a really, really important sign of how low they're willing to sink to retain power. There is no bottom. And this is not a drill.


MDN

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
35. Power-mad in Texas. Must be the heat.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 06:03 AM
Jun 2022

Last edited Tue Jun 21, 2022, 07:08 AM - Edit history (1)

No, it's actually corporate and high-wealth money. Without it, they're just background noise.

All that pro-life, pro-gun and religious blather is just to gather cheap votes and divide our people.


Plain & simple.......

mn9driver

(4,423 posts)
37. Republicans cannot win elections with their ideas. So rather than change their ideas,
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 10:32 AM
Jun 2022

They will eliminate elections.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Yup. Fascistic ultraconservatives have taken over the TX GOP.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:03 AM
Jun 2022

I've been reading about "RINO hunting" in TX and around the nation to consolidate their control by purging Republicans insufficiently loyal to tRump. Egged on by Fox, Kochs helping fund, trumpists are inflamed to attack Republicans betraying the cause.

"Dan Crenshaw is a traitor! He needs to be hung for treason." ~ One of a pack of aggressive, booing demonstrators at the TX Republican Convention after Congressman Crenshaw, a former Navy SEAL, was criticized by Tucker Carlson for supporting Ukraine against Russia.

In Germany this progressed to people afraid of being attacked on the streets if they failed to heil or sing when Hitler loyalists did.

Martin68

(22,791 posts)
43. As their popularity and voter base shrinks, the GOP has to rely on cheating and rigging the game.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:42 PM
Jun 2022

They are pretty good at it, and it took us way too long to realize it actually works. That's how they stacked the Supreme Court, gerrymandered red states to produce impregnable "majorities", and suppressed the Democratic vote.

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