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If you start with the premise Republicans actually strategically want massacres to happen, in order to achieve other policy goals, their otherwise hypocritical actions start to make a lot of sense.
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You can disagree with the premise, but if a political party actually wanted gun massacres to happen and then enacted a strategy to make gun massacres not only more likely and easy but practically inevitable, that party would do exactly what the Republican Party does.
My belief is that we have massacres because much of our society is oriented toward violent punishment as a 1st solution to problems, and for people who are oriented toward violence, massacres serve a needed practical, psychological, and strategic purpose.
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And yes, some of it is as grotesquely transparent as a call to end public schooling, but I think it goes much deeper.
I think without the premise that massacres are ultimately inevitable and unpreventable, the fear-based Republican worldview falls apart.
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Republicans don't just enact policies to make gun massacres inevitablecrucially, they start with the premise that gun massacres are inevitable.
When a problem can't be solved, you don't have to solve it. So it becomes very important to demonstrate the problem as inevitable.
I think it's important to notice how many problems conservatives approach this way.
Notice how quickly they took a new problemCovidand almost instinctively acted in order to make it an endemic problem.
Once it's endemic, you don't have to solve it.
Also important to notice how many centrist liberalsthough they operate from an assumption that problems should be solvedaccept this conservative framework, allowing the premise of each problem as endemic, acting as if any solution must receive conservative permission.
It's all in service of a worldview that tries to extract the maximum value from society without paying back, and treats the problems that this corruption causes as inevitable, unsolvable, and requiring violent punishment to manage, all to avoid paying the cost of solutions.
Massacres are an absolutely crucial feature to establishing and maintaining the illusion of this worldview, and so massacres must existeven though we know they can be prevented, even though we have ample proof.
Other people don't live this way.
If this proof of a solution is shown, the fallback is: white conservatives won't allow it.
This is offered, not as a devastating critique of white conservatives, but as a self-evident rationale: the people who matter want conditions preserved, thus conditions must be preserved.
They don't want guns to prevent massacres.
They want guns because they want massacres.
The massacres are useful, and necessary. They understand a world of massacres. They don't want to pay the costs of a world that would prevent them.
The massacres are the point.
And the giveaway is that this rationale isn't just "white conservatives won't allow it" politically. It's that they're armed, and if pushed they'll get violent, because they have guns, and a belief in their right to use them to massacre as they see fit.
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I'm not the one saying this. THEY WILL TELL YOU THIS.
Their own reason for the guns eventually reduces to a need to be able to enact massacres, should they personally decide it is necessary.
They just haven't decided it's necessary yet.
Yet.
The massacres are the point.
No. It's important to understand that, while they act to make massacres inevitable, each individual massacre must be a tragedyan incomprehensible one, one that has no room for solutions, only grief.
This is why they first establish there is no solution.
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Blamelessness is a key component of the psychology.
To be blameless is to be unimprovable. To be unimprovable means being unable to improve. Solutions become the enemy.
A massacre HAS to be an unsolvable problem. The act of even suggesting a solution is cast as unseemly.
We need guns, to stop bad people with guns, who nobody can stop, except for us, who did not stop them.
We have guns, and we know who to shoot, unlike the bad people, who shoot the wrong people, and we know they were the wrong people to shoot, because they were not shot by us.
The guns are needed to enact good violence, and bad violence reinforces that needand the worse the bad violence, the more it reinforces, the more "unsolvable" the problem, and thus the more blameless those who refuse to seek solutions become, and the more unseemly those who try.
The massacres are the strategy.
The massacres are the proof.
The massacres are the point.
And that is why they oppose all solutions, even as those solutions are available and known.
Here we see, maintaining blamelessness is an absolutely crucial part of the strategy.
There sure are a lot of lone wolves out there, and the NRA and GOP would love it if you never notice how much money they make arming lone wolves with ideas and weapons.
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It's not that Republicans WANT children to be murdered in massacres.
It's just that a world with massacres is a world that works for them, so they are going to have to keep the policies that make massacres inevitable.
I want you to ponder this: their "solution" is to make schools a harder target.
This presupposes incentivizing a *different* target.
Do you see?
It's not that they want massacres to stop, but that they just encourage them to happen elsewhere.
The massacres are the point.
Here we see: starting with the premise that gun massacres are inevitable.
When a problem can't be solved, you don't have to solve it. Massacres *have* to be an unsolvable problem.
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Important clarification:
There are your announced beliefs & intentions, and then there is what you actually do, w/results that become the reality you preserveand this reveals the deeper, truer intentions, which you don't necessarily tell yourself about.
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Every massacre enacts a collective desire for massacre, and we can observe this truth, because whenever massacres happen they are always followed by a collective defense of the massacre's causes.
Do they *consciously* want massacres? Mostly no. But also so what?
Remember that preserving blamelessness is a key part of the strategy.
It's important to establish that this is an inevitable, unpreventable, incomprehensible tragedy.
But it's also important to convince others (and, in most cases, oneself) that you believe it is a tragedy.
Sob/c you are engaged in a collective desire for massacreyou engage in a collective defense of the massacre's cause, and insist NOTHING can prevent massacres.
But, to stay blameless, you also mourn and pray, and claim massacres CAN be preventedby doors, or more guns, etc.
This also points us toward some hope of a solution.
The way you attack this strategy is to attack its foundation, which is the self-established blamelessness of those who defend guns rather than lives.
Attack their perceived blamelessness.
Participate in a collective understanding that proclaims you cannot be Republican and blameless.
Create this understanding: supporting a political movement that makes massacres inevitable reveals a deeper intention for a violent world of punishment, which depends upon massacres.
Stop taking their rationales at their word when they clearly don't mean what they say.
Working with punishment-oriented people on mental health solutions, for example, will only result in punishing mentally ill people.
Instead attack their blamelessness.
Stop caring about convincing or persuading them about the issue.
Convince everybody elsewho already understands the issueabout them.
Attack Republican blamelessness. Corrode the false notion of unsolveable problems.
That's what I hope this thread does in small part.
I'll likely keep adding examples to the thread.
For now I'll end w/this:
The question of whether or not each Republican *consciously* wants massacres misses the point.
A few might. Most don't.
The point is: morally & practically speaking, it doesn't matter. We should say so.
50 Shades Of Blue
(11,389 posts)AndyS
(14,559 posts)Nevilledog
(55,075 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,197 posts)It serves the needs of the Putin/GOP.
Serves to make Americans numb and feel helpless.
Makes them detached from society.
Destroys American institutions. Police, teachers, public health, etc.
And the GOP needs foot soldiers who will help destroy our democracy and overturn elections, etc.
wnylib
(25,967 posts)than the lengthy tweets. And more accurate, IMO.
The massacres terrorize the public, especially minorities.
They disrupt institutions and daily life, spreading chaos.
No gun controls makes it easier for RW extremist individuals and militias to build up arms supplies and to intimidate and control whoever disagrees with them.
Irish_Dem
(81,197 posts)Disruption, chaos, destruction.
Foot soldiers to intimidate and control.
Makes for a much easier path to total and permanent control of the US.
slightlv
(7,786 posts)and demoralize American citizens. Went to the movies with my grandson the other weekend. Crowded theater complex. My first thought was to look around intently and wonder, "Who's carrying" and how safe are we really? And then to check out the nearest exit from our particular theater. For me, that's not "Normal"... and I hated that's what the republican's had done to me.
Irish_Dem
(81,197 posts)Many of us are doing what you describe. When we are in public, looking around to determine safety issues and most likely exit.
This is where the GOP wants us. They want Americans to be docile, helpless and numb.
Same thing to a much larger extent in Ukraine where Putin is terrorizing the population until it surrenders.
slightlv
(7,786 posts)and it's not stopping me from going to the movies, etc., but it is making me more aware of my surroundings and it IS making me mad. When I get mad I tend to do things I ought not to do, and my blood pressure goes even higher. I never had a problem with blood pressure until Trump "took office." Once in there, I was on meds. Twice now, I've either had to switch the meds or take a higher dose. This just doesn't bode well for me.
Irish_Dem
(81,197 posts)The GOP is planning on taking over the voting system whether we like it or not.
SheltieLover
(80,396 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,768 posts)SheltieLover
(80,396 posts)Kid Berwyn
(24,337 posts)And we get, until the rail cars take us to the FEMA camps*, thoughts and prayers.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2012/12/06/brks-d06.html
C_U_L8R
(49,369 posts)Its exactly what they do. And why they do it.
yonder
(10,290 posts)It will take a bit to digest and how other problems might apply to this concept.
Climate change is the first that pops into mind although we might have already entered the unsolvable point of no return - one in which we all can share blame.
tanyev
(49,263 posts)I wonder how many months into the pandemic youd have to look to find an article at The Federalist about how children NEED to be IN SCHOOL NOW?
LuckyCharms
(22,610 posts)Nevilledog
(55,075 posts)bucolic_frolic
(55,094 posts)'These are troubled times, go to church.'
erronis
(23,832 posts)Nevilledog
(55,075 posts)Link to tweet
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Notice: an abusive system will always move a problem away from a solution mindset and into a problem management mindset, either to increase profit from the problem or to increase punishment, or preferably both.
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Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)They're addicted to the (artificial) feeling of power it gives them.
It's not unlike meth, coke, opioids, booze, etc.
They get a rush from buying them, one every time they remember they have them, one when they clean them. They get a rush when they shoot animals and they get a rush when they do their target practices. When they organize into small bands aka 'militias', they feel even more powerful as groupthink emboldens them and makes them feel like they 'belong' to something powerful. Cause they're armed.
So, what's happening with wanting no gun control ... they're defending their personal addiction.
And yes, I agree with the general premise of this article, because the two ideas go hand in hand.
The massacres ... justify their addiction.
Basically a classic vicious cycle in play here.
Jade Fox
(10,030 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)The massacres are the point.
They want them.
They need them to achieve their policy goals of fear and fascism and control.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Republicans need them to achieve their corporate policy goals of fear and fascism and control.
Policy follows Big Money, so of course this wholly owned subsidiary of Big Corps doesn't care about 'collateral damage.' Massacres emerge from the corporate lingo of 'sacrifice,' 'freedom,' 'they're out to get ur guns,' 'good guys with guns,' yadayadayada
Thanks!
usonian
(25,208 posts)Chaos means weak government, and that means little or no regulation of oligarchs. Period.
It's exactly the Nazi Germany playbook
Normalize hate and violence.
Stochastic terrorism.
Bring down elected government.
IT CAN BE STOPPED.
THIS IS NOT 1938 GERMANY.
More:
My longer response:
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16762063
Things Have Causes
And in it, I give some excellent references, including the series in DailyKos
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/6/2044226/-America-2021-The-Good-the-Bad-the-Ugly
Democracy in Crisis: Weve Been Headed Here for Decades. Part 1of 8
Read all 8 to get the "plan" in detail.
I strongly recommend doing so.
Nobody EVER accused me of being brief and to the point, but this old dog is learning new tricks.
erronis
(23,832 posts)And maybe for the cannon.
usonian
(25,208 posts)to boil things down to what's understandable and useful to others.
That's my goal.
I think it was Mark Twain who said:
If I had more time, I would have written less.
I hope you find it useful, and also the OP.
Wounded Bear
(64,307 posts)The proliferation of movies based on comic book characters kind of normalizes violent solutions coupled with vigilante "justice" outcomes by super heroes seems problematic to me. This feeds the "good guy with a gun" myth and mindset the leads to people collecting Burt Gummer style arsenals in their basements/garages. It's a normal human trait to think we are all the hero in our own narrative, but to project that out onto the public sphere leads to problems. Accepting the kind of pop-psychology that operates in such venues leads to a childish/adolescent point of view that shouldn't govern our public leadership.
We need to do a deep dive on our public and personal priorities. We're seeing a huge normalization of violence and vigilantism in our entertainment industry. Certainly, the erosion of our education system by RW policies complicates things.
Evolve Dammit
(21,768 posts)Problem that other countries don't. And it becoming increasingly prevalent and minimized by frequency and the RWNJs who accept much of it. 1/6 could have been way worse but they still think it was ok or even necessary. At this point with militia groups growing, we find another example of "clear and present danger."
llashram
(6,269 posts)scarletlib
(3,568 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)of their base who don't care how many kids die...
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Demobrat
(10,299 posts)Every massacre is a free marketing event for the NRA and gun sellers. How long does it take then after a mass shooting to start screaming that the solution is more guns? As long as takes to get the cameras rolling.
Having spent my whole career in marketing and advertising it seems so obvious to me. The best advertising is free advertising and nothing gives the people who make money from guns more free airtime than a good massacre, the bigger the better.
drmeow
(5,989 posts)in the same way that 9-11 was the point. They were warned about 9-11 but decided to do nothing about it because a "small" terrorist attack on American soil would let them move forward with their agenda and what was the loss of a few hundred lives.
calimary
(89,967 posts)moondust
(21,285 posts)The stock prices of the top 5 US gun- and ammo-makers rose the morning after a Texas school shooting that left at least 21 people dead
Shootings Have Surged and Gun Companies Have Made Billions
I forget now...whose theme song was it that goes like this?
Money Money Money Money,
Money Money Money Money...