Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:48 PM Jun 2022

Wondering today why, if Putin wanted to take over Ukraine so urgently, did he wait to do it

on Biden's watch? TFG did say that if he were POTUS Putin wouldn't have done it. Just another sicker way to help the orange idiot return to power?

9 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Wondering today why, if Putin wanted to take over Ukraine so urgently, did he wait to do it (Original Post) allegorical oracle Jun 2022 OP
I surmised that he would have invaded in 2020 but Covid delayed plans SoonerPride Jun 2022 #1
Putin doesn't seem like a guy who would've let Covid stop him (Ukraine likely had Covid cases, allegorical oracle Jun 2022 #2
Covid disrupted both their plans Skittles Jun 2022 #3
Maybe it has something to do with dying of cancer? FakeNoose Jun 2022 #4
Because Trump was doing more damage to our country and our allies... W_HAMILTON Jun 2022 #5
We canNOT let DJT return to the WH. allegorical oracle Jun 2022 #6
because Trump back in WH would have let him walk right in and take it. Grasswire2 Jun 2022 #7
Fiona Hill had a couple of things to say. Igel Jun 2022 #8
Probably several issues - haele Jun 2022 #9

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
1. I surmised that he would have invaded in 2020 but Covid delayed plans
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:52 PM
Jun 2022

I think the timeline was to invade in late 2020 but along came Covid and pushed back Putin’s plans.

Had he done that trump would have backed Russia and we wouldn’t have sent any weapons to Ukraine.

It is entirely a hunch of mine. Based on nothing but speculation.

allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
2. Putin doesn't seem like a guy who would've let Covid stop him (Ukraine likely had Covid cases,
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:03 PM
Jun 2022

too). My hunch is Putin enjoyed TFG threatening to leave NATO. Wouldn't be surprised to learn someday that both of them have been steadily in touch after the election and Putin is murdering thousands of Ukrainians just to get the bastage back in office so he can clear the deck to damage NATO and proceed to take back all the old USSR territory. Wouldn't normally wish anybody to be seriously ill, but Putin is one exception.

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
4. Maybe it has something to do with dying of cancer?
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:15 PM
Jun 2022

I don't know.

Pootie just assumed Chump was going to GIVE him Ukraine, but it didn't happen that way.

W_HAMILTON

(7,839 posts)
5. Because Trump was doing more damage to our country and our allies...
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:15 PM
Jun 2022

...than Putin could have ever dreamed of.

Putin thought he could take advantage of the weakened state that Trump left our country and NATO in, but he was wrong. Tens of thousands of dead Russian soldiers, a Russian economy in the worst state since the collapse of the U.S.S.R, etc. Boy, was he wrong.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
7. because Trump back in WH would have let him walk right in and take it.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:25 PM
Jun 2022

Probably Alaska, too.

If Trump were president, there would be no obstacle.

Igel

(35,275 posts)
8. Fiona Hill had a couple of things to say.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:40 PM
Jun 2022

Not entirely consistent or complementary, but that's life.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fiona-hill-trump-paved-way-russia-invade-ukraine-2022-2?op=1

https://news.yahoo.com/fiona-hill-says-putin-got-202020224.html

Take it or leave it, makes no difference to me. It's just one of the myriad of suppositions, any of which might be right--or perhaps several, or perhaps none.

haele

(12,640 posts)
9. Probably several issues -
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:22 PM
Jun 2022

Covid - the Russians had to get over the hunker down stage of the pandemic.
Trump losing - there was no rush if Trump was still in the big chair in the Oval Office. Trump was on track to weaken NATO so much that Putin wouldn't worry about "Western cultural encroachment". His people in Ukraine were already working to delegitimizing the idea of democracy as they have been throughout the West.
The continuation of the populist Nationalism or "Traditionalism" in Europe. Hungary, Poland, Brexit, to name a few counties - all aimed at separating and isolating cultural groups and putting pressure on lower and middle classes by pushing the idea that those "others" are taking away their jobs, rights and privileges.
Finally, he had to wait until he got China and India "solidly" in his corner.
I'm pretty sure he was going to wait until after the Olympics anyway. Just so he could pretend being a strong, respected leader to his people, upholding "Russian Pride" for them in the face of those nasty Westerners.

Haele

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Wondering today why, if P...