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kentuck

(111,069 posts)
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:28 AM Jun 2022

The truth is tying its shoes...

As lies continue to fly all around.

With the Select Committee only half-way thru its Hearings, the Trump team is beginning to sweat.

Lately, Trump has visited the Evangelicals and the NRA, in an attempt to shore up his support. He cannot afford to lose either of these loyal partners.

Today, it is being reported that they may have found a "fall guy" to take the blame for the "fake elector" scam? That must be the one for which they are most fearful? There are several avenues for criminal prosecution but they seem most concerned about the "fake electors".

There are indications that some on the right are turning on each other. Just this week, Senator John Cornyn and Rep. Dan Crenshaw were attacked at the Texas GOP Convention. The Proud Boys were mocking Crenshaw by calling him "Eyepatch McCain". Neither of these legislators were liberal Democrats. They were strong Trump supporters.

But, sometimes, the truth is slow in getting off the blocks. However, the Committee is scheduled to expose even more of their lies today.

My hope is that they will keep the Committee active until the truth is completely uncovered, however long it might take.

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The truth is tying its shoes... (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2022 OP
The #1 goal of the select committee is to convince Merrick Garland gab13by13 Jun 2022 #1
I think that is probably where they feel the most vulnerable. kentuck Jun 2022 #2
Garland will be convinced. It is just a matter of time. "Not if to indict", "but WHEN to indict... Stuart G Jun 2022 #7
But, when does the open end slam shut? Current events are fickle. Magoo48 Jun 2022 #9
It shouldn't take any convincing. Butterflylady Jun 2022 #8
I don't think that Garland needs convincing. wnylib Jun 2022 #14
She should go ahed and investigate and indict. I'm sure they broken state and federal laws. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #5
First they'll have to try to wake him up. calimary Jun 2022 #16
Any idea if DOJ has responded in any way? Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #19
In my opinion, they are following the advice of the Speaker... kentuck Jun 2022 #21
While I hear that, the facts alone should dictate the next steps? Daylight burning... Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #22
I agree. kentuck Jun 2022 #23
There are so many potential charges. Why not start with the slam dunk? Others Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #24
Those fake electors were recruited, organized and directed by the Trump gang. sop Jun 2022 #3
Yep, they'll have a harder time dodging the fake electors scam. KS Toronado Jun 2022 #4
Anyone foolish enough to get involved in the fake elector... brush Jun 2022 #12
The normal pattern of mob investigations is to work up to the boss. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2022 #6
Takes .."Time" ..to work up to the boss. That is (in my opinion) what is going on. Stuart G Jun 2022 #10
I am very curious to see this new video footage from the company that was Bev54 Jun 2022 #11
Don't forget that Cruz took a hit too BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #13
Eastman will be llashram Jun 2022 #15
Trickle-Down bullshit. All the way to the base. czarjak Jun 2022 #17
Keep an eye on that FL Goober. He's the rat in the GOP grain bin. n/t TygrBright Jun 2022 #18
Which one? Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #20
Giuliani would be an obvious fall guy... AntiFascist Jun 2022 #25

gab13by13

(21,280 posts)
1. The #1 goal of the select committee is to convince Merrick Garland
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:44 AM
Jun 2022

to indict Trump and his inner circle. I do not think that Garland has made that decision yet.

The best bet is going through Eastman and the fake electors, I have said that from the beginning.

I just heard the Michigan AG say that if Garland does not investigate the fake electors she is going to. She sent the criminal referral to DOJ 6 months ago.

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
2. I think that is probably where they feel the most vulnerable.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:47 AM
Jun 2022

When they get the details about what Lindsey Graham and Mark Meadows said in their calls to the same officials.

I think the Committee should remain open until Garland is convinced.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
7. Garland will be convinced. It is just a matter of time. "Not if to indict", "but WHEN to indict...
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:48 AM
Jun 2022

Maybe he has already made that decision, & it's a matter of ..."TIME"

Magoo48

(4,700 posts)
9. But, when does the open end slam shut? Current events are fickle.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:55 AM
Jun 2022

Sometimes, an event happens which wipes the public-focus slate clean.

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
14. I don't think that Garland needs convincing.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 10:47 AM
Jun 2022

As he has said more than once, he is investigating and following wherever the evidence leads, no matter who it leads to.

DOJ investigations are not open to the public in the way that House investigations are.

Lonestarblue

(9,959 posts)
5. She should go ahed and investigate and indict. I'm sure they broken state and federal laws.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:31 AM
Jun 2022

Each state that sent fake electors to Congress should investigate, indict, and prosecute independently from the DOJ, which may be trying to tie everything into one big case. For state purposes, I would think it immaterial that the fraudulent actions were undertaken at the request of someone in Trump’s orbit. That’s like saying I can be excused for robbing a bank because my mother told me to.

Each state has evidence of election fraud. Why not prosecute now on state charges instead of waiting? Just letting these people go about their business with impunity until the DOJ eventually gets around to building a case just gives them a green light to keep undermining elections—and we have an important one coming ip in just a few months.

calimary

(81,179 posts)
16. First they'll have to try to wake him up.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:23 AM
Jun 2022

Dude’s been taking a nice long nap. At least a year-and-a-half’s worth.

Fucking useless.

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
21. In my opinion, they are following the advice of the Speaker...
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 05:06 PM
Jun 2022

...who understands, like Abe Lincoln, that anything is possible with public sentiment, but nothing is possible without it. The latest polls showing 60% of the people believed Donald Trump should be charged was the public sentiment going in the right direction.

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
23. I agree.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 05:41 PM
Jun 2022

But, all the facts need to be uncovered, for such an existential moment for the country, in my opinion.

Evolve Dammit

(16,719 posts)
24. There are so many potential charges. Why not start with the slam dunk? Others
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 06:31 PM
Jun 2022

Can follow. Bury them. Literally and figuratively. DOJ knows which are easiest to prove. Start with those?

sop

(10,138 posts)
3. Those fake electors were recruited, organized and directed by the Trump gang.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:49 AM
Jun 2022

The committee has hard evidence incriminating Trump, Giuliani, Eastman, et al. Trump will claim 1/6 insurrectionists overreacted to his incitement and acted on their own, not so with the fake electors.

brush

(53,758 posts)
12. Anyone foolish enough to get involved in the fake elector...
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 10:13 AM
Jun 2022

scheme, and I mean the entire trump gang and the dummies who signed fake elector docs and presented themselves as fake electors should be jailed just on general principals for being stupid enough to actually sign the evidence of their guilt.

I repeat, they actually signed the evidence of their guilt.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,430 posts)
6. The normal pattern of mob investigations is to work up to the boss.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:45 AM
Jun 2022

So Garland should be issuing indictments of Trump's inner circle first, in order to make their bagging of Trump all the more easy. Garland is likely weighing the seriousness of the whole affair, but doing so for an extended period of time begins look like he's counting angels on the head of a pin. Stay simple, Merrick.

Bev54

(10,044 posts)
11. I am very curious to see this new video footage from the company that was
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 10:00 AM
Jun 2022

following the Trumps since Sept 2020 and have footage of them before and after the attempted coup (not sure about during). The 1/6 committee has also subpoenaed all footage of discussions of overturning the elections etc. I mean here we are again, instead of "Lordy I hope there are tapes" to Lordy we have video.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
15. Eastman will be
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:08 AM
Jun 2022

one of the chumps/dupes who take a big fall. Trump's problems in Georgia will cause him some problems I think, I hope.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
25. Giuliani would be an obvious fall guy...
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:47 PM
Jun 2022

it would be hilarious if Trump turned on him in order to appeal to voters in 2024, but I don't really see this happening.

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