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maxrandb

(17,463 posts)
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:58 AM Jun 2022

40 years of "trickle down economics"

Rolling brownouts in Ohio and Texas due to the oppressive heat.

Crumbling infrastructure all over the country.

Massive flooding and weather disasters we don't have the means to respond to without exercising emergency powers.

Dilapidated schools, and 3RD World education system and infrastructure.

Massive wealth inequality.

Billionaires building dick-shaped space rockets, while millions struggle to feed and educate themselves.

Personal selfishness and cruelty.

The lack of any shared commitment to our fellow man.

All these, and more can be laid at the feet of "Saint Ronny Ray-Gun".

This dystopian America was the 1%s wetdream when they installed that feeble piece of amphibian shit in the White House.

Ronny "awshucked" America to fucking disaster.

I will never understand it.

I have been told that America is a GOVERNMENT "by and for the people".

If you truly believe that, then you have to believe that the "government is us".

If the government is "us", then why in the fuck would you want to "drown it in a bathtub"?

That kind of sounds like suicide to me.

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40 years of "trickle down economics" (Original Post) maxrandb Jun 2022 OP
The national debt was less than $1 trillion when Jimmy Carter left office... kentuck Jun 2022 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author jimfields33 Jun 2022 #2
What laws are you talking about since none were mentioned in the OP? Kingofalldems Jun 2022 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author jimfields33 Jun 2022 #17
Good points. jimfields33 Jun 2022 #18
Devalue our lives, deregulate everything malaise Jun 2022 #3
. . . CousinIT Jun 2022 #4
Now they fly the US flag and the Confederate flag of doc03 Jun 2022 #5
It's really trickle up theory Poiuyt Jun 2022 #6
+1 appalachiablue Jun 2022 #20
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Jun 2022 #7
The problem is enough of the public thinks trickle down works due to Reaganomics apparent success andym Jun 2022 #8
this is the same chap that ruined california and screen actors guild. massive damage AllaN01Bear Jun 2022 #10
the "two santa claus" theory rampartc Jun 2022 #13
They never explained "trickle down" honestly. calimary Jun 2022 #9
Amen wryter2000 Jun 2022 #11
Voting is mostly emotional; an effort to support group prosperity Auggie Jun 2022 #12
Hatred of gubment moondust Jun 2022 #14
Rich got richer. And the Middle Class evaporates. Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #15
Suicide. Well said. live love laugh Jun 2022 #19

kentuck

(115,473 posts)
1. The national debt was less than $1 trillion when Jimmy Carter left office...
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:01 AM
Jun 2022

Now it is about $30 trillion. Almost all can be attributed to taxcuts and trickle-down economics.

Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Kingofalldems

(40,332 posts)
16. What laws are you talking about since none were mentioned in the OP?
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:13 PM
Jun 2022

Not sure why you seem to blame Democrats here.

Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #16)

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
18. Good points.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:45 PM
Jun 2022

Your right, It was amazing that we had the democratic house for over 40 years straight. I’m thinking we are on that trend again. Your support on facts are so helpful and appreciated so much. Thank you so much. It’s incredibly nice of you.

malaise

(296,950 posts)
3. Devalue our lives, deregulate everything
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:16 AM
Jun 2022

and privatize all institutions.
In other words, fuck up the entire planet and let the fascists rule.
Rec

CousinIT

(12,628 posts)
4. . . .
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:26 AM
Jun 2022

"If the government is "us", then why in the fuck would you want to "drown it in a bathtub"?

That kind of sounds like suicide to me."

doc03

(39,119 posts)
5. Now they fly the US flag and the Confederate flag of
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:37 AM
Jun 2022

treason or F-- Biden on their trucks. But they get violent when a football player takes a knee.



andym

(6,068 posts)
8. The problem is enough of the public thinks trickle down works due to Reaganomics apparent success
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:05 AM
Jun 2022

Last edited Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:35 PM - Edit history (2)

A strong argument can be made that Reaganomics had little to do with the boon years of Reagan's presidency post 1983. If not Reaganomics, the Laffer curve and supply-side economics, then what?

The answer is not as well known as it should be: Jimmy Carter appointed Paul Volcker as Fed Chairman in 1979, knowing he would try a drastic solution to stagflation which would hurt his reelection. Volcker contracted the money supply and raised interest rates to levels unseen in modern times causing a deep painful recession. After almost 4 years of pain, the hawkish Fed policy worked, inflation receded, the Fed dropped interest rates and the economic stimulus from the loosening of the Fed's extreme hawkishness drove the so-called Reagan economic miracle. not supply-side economics. Reagan's team knew the truth and had Reagan reappoint Volcker in 1983.

Keep in mind the relevance to today, as the current Fed is using a milder version of the same strategy right now.

AllaN01Bear

(29,697 posts)
10. this is the same chap that ruined california and screen actors guild. massive damage
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:47 AM
Jun 2022

w that one .

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
13. the "two santa claus" theory
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:00 PM
Jun 2022

allowed the repubs to spend profusely on "defense" (keynesian stimulus) while cutting taxes om the rich. they always forget that they doubled the fica tax (the most regressive tax anywhere). also new taxes on social security benefits.

stockman's book "the triumph of politics" is also instructive.

some favorite catch phrases were "skin in the game" and "everyone must pay for their own entitlements" as well as the concept of "entitlements" itself.

these people were, and are, radicals who have convinced many americans (including many democrats) that their twisted version of neoliberalism makes sense.

calimary

(90,371 posts)
9. They never explained "trickle down" honestly.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:46 AM
Jun 2022

When they’re saying “ trickle-down,” they really mean “tinkle on.” “Piss on” or “pee on” both work equally well.

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
11. Amen
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:54 AM
Jun 2022

He was the origin of where we find ourselves today. Then Gingrich ruined the congress.

Auggie

(33,226 posts)
12. Voting is mostly emotional; an effort to support group prosperity
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:56 AM
Jun 2022

My take these days.

Trickle-down, Tea Party, MAGA -- designed to emotionally appeal to groupthink.

moondust

(21,312 posts)
14. Hatred of gubment
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:48 PM
Jun 2022

was apparently common in the old Confederacy long after they lost the Civil War...er...the "War of Northern Aggression." No doubt still a factor among neo-confederates and others across the deep red South and now more common even in the old Union states.

Then a century ago the rise of communism in parts of the world played a big role in the anti-gubment hatred and propaganda. As "business party" hero Raygun put it...“The top 9 most terrifying words in the English Language are: I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.”

Along with Reagan came this guy:

The Man Who Broke Capitalism

(Author) Gelles shows how (Jack) Welch’s celebrated emphasis on increasing shareholder value by any means necessary (layoffs, outsourcing, offshoring, acquisitions, and buybacks, to name but a few tactics) became the norm in American business generally.

Add it all up over 40 years and you get a lot of selfishness and everyday dysfunction and failure as quality of life and "the commons" are sacrificed on the altar of greed.

K/R

Kid Berwyn

(24,726 posts)
15. Rich got richer. And the Middle Class evaporates.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:59 PM
Jun 2022

Which is the point.

Wealthiest times in human history and most of it lining very, very few pockets.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90425732/the-united-states-of-inequality-a-timeline

Why hasn’t it been stopped?

Because the rich need to get richer.

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