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TheProle

(2,161 posts)
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:42 PM Jun 2022

Secession is Treason.

I am a Texan and a proud American. I will fight to my last breath to preserve the Union, whether it be against Texas right wingers or the Cascadia morons on the west coast. I won't be divided from my fellow Americans, and will not be "othered" for living in a state with an uphill political battle. 5,259,126 Texans voted for President Biden. Those votes, and lives, mean something.

Secession talk is making something of a comeback and I will stand firm against it. And it's not only Texas, and it's not only the right.

In 2021, a study was conducted by Brightline Watch of 2,750 Americans between June 16 and June 26 that asked "Would you support or oppose (your state) seceding from the United States to join a new union (list of five regional unions)?". The poll found that support for the idea of regional secession was highest in the Pacific and Southern regions, with 66% of Republicans, 50% of independents in the South, and 47% of Democrats in the Pacific supporting the idea of secession. In this survey, Brightline used the regional union of Washington, Oregon, Alaska, Hawaii and California[69] as the Pacific regional union. Overall, support for the idea of secession was 37% in the US in general.[70] In a 2022 poll, the Center for Politics at University of Virginia ran a poll that found similar results, finding that "52% of Trump voters and 41% of Biden voters “at least somewhat agree that it’s time to split the country, favoring blue/red states seceding from the union”.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)#Public_support_for_secession
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Secession is Treason. (Original Post) TheProle Jun 2022 OP
I'd like to see Texas or Florida go, BannonsLiver Jun 2022 #1
If Texas were to actually secede, it would be a clusterfuck of Brexit proportions. Initech Jun 2022 #7
July 4th? Polybius Jun 2022 #2
I agree Sucession is Treason and the participants ArnoldLayne Jun 2022 #3
It's a subject brought up on a regular cycle Torchlight Jun 2022 #4
A state (or states) can not unilaterally secede. former9thward Jun 2022 #5
Or you take it up to the SCOTUS. roamer65 Jun 2022 #6

BannonsLiver

(16,352 posts)
1. I'd like to see Texas or Florida go,
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:48 PM
Jun 2022

It would solve 2 problems. 1, With apologies to Dems in those states it removes tens of millions of toxic people from the population of the US and their influence over the rest of us in elections. 2, Without the EC votes that are locked in to the GOP in perpetuity (I’m not bullish on Texas ever going blue) we’ll never have another GOP president.

Is any of this realistic? Absolutely not. Zero chance Texas or any other state secedes.

Initech

(100,059 posts)
7. If Texas were to actually secede, it would be a clusterfuck of Brexit proportions.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 02:43 PM
Jun 2022

And nothing would get resolved. And if Texas were to actually secede, I predict that given their slide, and Fox / anti-government policies, their slide into a third world shithole nation would be extremely quick.

ArnoldLayne

(2,067 posts)
3. I agree Sucession is Treason and the participants
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:55 PM
Jun 2022

Should be treated as such. There are times I wish Texas should just secede and be done with it maybe Florida should also.

Torchlight

(3,313 posts)
4. It's a subject brought up on a regular cycle
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:57 PM
Jun 2022

designed only to get 'imaginative' minds riled up. And every single time, absolutely nothing happens.

I'm expecting this cycle to be no different; just a lot of bumper stickers read in annoyingly loud, beer-bellied voices followed by the inevitable slumber that only a 12-pack of Old Milwaukee can bring.

I figure after this week, it'll get the play it wants, and it's half-life will be over with nary a piece of legislation about it even given consideration.

former9thward

(31,965 posts)
5. A state (or states) can not unilaterally secede.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:02 PM
Jun 2022

But they can secede constitutionally. So it is not treason. The Supreme Court said so in Texas v. White (1868). But it is not easy. They have to get the approval of both Houses of Congress and then 3/4s of the nation's legislatures.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
6. Or you take it up to the SCOTUS.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 02:18 PM
Jun 2022

They have the power to overturn any ruling from the past.

It’s all in how you argue it in front of the Supreme Court.

Also who sits on it.

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