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riversedge

(70,206 posts)
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:18 AM Jun 2022

Do you think the Constitution was "divinely inspired" as Arizona Speaker of the House, Rusty Bower d

I do think his faith led Rusty to keep his oath of office. IMHO.




Do you think the Constitution was “divinely inspired” as Arizona Speaker of the House, Rusty Bower does.


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The Founders went to pains *not* to invoke any devine source for the right & ability to govern ourselves. The source was & is “We the People” without the grace or guidance of a diety. This point is covered very well in The Founding Myth by Andrew Seidel @AndrewLSeidel


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Do you think the Constitution was "divinely inspired" as Arizona Speaker of the House, Rusty Bower d (Original Post) riversedge Jun 2022 OP
Deism and the Elightenment explains a lot bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #1
I agree, in this sense it could be interpreted as divinely inspired... AntiFascist Jun 2022 #29
No. Written by intelligent but flawed men. Caliman73 Jun 2022 #2
And there is that little thing called MOMFUDSKI Jun 2022 #19
No. It wasn't divinely inspired Jerry2144 Jun 2022 #3
I'm glad that AZ Speaker Rusty Bowers did the right thing. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #4
Anti religious bigotry? inthewind21 Jun 2022 #15
I agree gratuitous Jun 2022 #16
For a christian who thinks the Constitution is divinely inspired document... Thomas Hurt Jun 2022 #23
methinks yon Rusty is about a bubble off plumb rurallib Jun 2022 #5
No. I don't believe that. murielm99 Jun 2022 #6
Kinda like the way people say "Thank God I had my seatbelt on" after a wreck Bucky Jun 2022 #7
No. MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #8
I suppose that depends H2O Man Jun 2022 #9
Defies all logic to believe it was divinely inspired. Enoki33 Jun 2022 #10
I tend to believe it was inspired by Enlightenment thinking Torchlight Jun 2022 #11
Exactly. It was the culmination of centuries of the philosophy of governance, VWolf Jun 2022 #21
If it was wryter2000 Jun 2022 #12
Hell no! NewHendoLib Jun 2022 #13
I do not believe the framers thought that. Thus "No" nt Samrob Jun 2022 #14
I've always thought this was one of the dumbest ideas of the batshit insane. Vinca Jun 2022 #17
I think his testimony was needed. Lars39 Jun 2022 #18
Actually, our Constitution, and basic governing principles, were inspired, in part, niyad Jun 2022 #20
Everything is divinely inspired. Midnight Writer Jun 2022 #22
No but Mormons worship it like its the Book of Mormon FreeState Jun 2022 #24
If so, Jehovah is pretty dumb. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #25
Ya sure, Rusty Bowers was divinely inspired to support a thrice married pos...cheater.. asiliveandbreathe Jun 2022 #26
Depends on Which Deity Deep State Witch Jun 2022 #27
No LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #28
In a word, Higherarky Jun 2022 #30

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
29. I agree, in this sense it could be interpreted as divinely inspired...
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 02:50 PM
Jun 2022

but it is also a living document that required amendments, so the original document was certainly not perfect from the start. We are hopefully evolving toward a more perfect union without going backwards.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
2. No. Written by intelligent but flawed men.
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:23 AM
Jun 2022

To claim it was "divinely inspired" you would first have to prove that something divine exists, then that the divine force chose to actively intervene.

The Constitution was novel in its idea of a representative Democracy in the age of absolute monarchy. It still suffered from the very human concepts of racism and sexism.

Jerry2144

(2,101 posts)
3. No. It wasn't divinely inspired
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jun 2022

There is no such thing as Devine anything (other than the lovely and talented Bette Midler). God is a creation of man.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
4. I'm glad that AZ Speaker Rusty Bowers did the right thing.
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jun 2022

If he felt led to do the right thing by the religious faith that he's free to hold as a citizen of the United States, I have no problem with that.

Anti-religious bigotry flowing when a person has taken the right stand--and one that in this case went against his own political interests--is not a good look.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. I agree
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 12:04 PM
Jun 2022

One badly overlooked aspect of faith - by believers and non-believers alike - is that faith is supposed to make a person uncomfortable, it's supposed to challenge a person's preconceived notions.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
23. For a christian who thinks the Constitution is divinely inspired document...
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 01:21 PM
Jun 2022

He sure took a long time to come around and get a clue that Trump was up to no good.

Bowers' line that he wouldn't cross is all fine and good, but he knew there was corruption and amorality, pathological lying and deceit littered everywhere behind that line.

murielm99

(30,738 posts)
6. No. I don't believe that.
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:29 AM
Jun 2022

And I am a Christian.

The authority of the Constitution derives from the consent of the governed.

Bucky

(54,003 posts)
7. Kinda like the way people say "Thank God I had my seatbelt on" after a wreck
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:30 AM
Jun 2022

There's some people see God's hand in all good turns of fortune. The worst is when folks say "God will not give any problems here not strong enough to handle" and out of politeness I don't respond "How do you translate that into Ethiopian?" because I'm not a complete asshole

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
9. I suppose that depends
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:34 AM
Jun 2022

upon how one defines "divinely inspired." I would not agree in the conservative christian definition.

Torchlight

(3,332 posts)
11. I tend to believe it was inspired by Enlightenment thinking
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:38 AM
Jun 2022

by the Magna Carta, by the Virginia Declaration or Rights, by the English Bill of Rights and so on. The sharpest tip of that influencing spear being John Locke.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
21. Exactly. It was the culmination of centuries of the philosophy of governance,
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 12:58 PM
Jun 2022

combined with the diligent work of our founding fathers.

John Locke was the "social contract" guy, right?

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
17. I've always thought this was one of the dumbest ideas of the batshit insane.
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 12:07 PM
Jun 2022

Not only do they think the Constitution is divinely inspired, they believe Trump was sent by God to carry it out. Heaven forbid (my one Biblical reference) they should read about the founding of the country and the writing of the documents.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
18. I think his testimony was needed.
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 12:11 PM
Jun 2022

His biblical worldview was brought out in part because A., evangelicals of any stripe just can’t help but testify for their god, and B., he may have been trying to show the MAGATS that he was a man of god like them so that they would stop harassing him.

And no, the Constitution was not divinely inspired. These were men that rejected rule of a divinely chosen king.

niyad

(113,295 posts)
20. Actually, our Constitution, and basic governing principles, were inspired, in part,
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 12:32 PM
Jun 2022

by the guiding principles of thr Haudenosaunee, the Six Nation Iroquois Confederacy.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
26. Ya sure, Rusty Bowers was divinely inspired to support a thrice married pos...cheater..
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 01:33 PM
Jun 2022

Grab em by the p.....y kinda guy...pompous and pitiful display of hypocracy....he even said, 20,000 illegal immigra ts..5000 dead...Rep. Adam Schiff came back with, so did they ever produce the evidence 20,000 illegal people..or 5000 dead people voted..? (People)..

As Jay Johnson explained, Bowers is all in with voter supression..I just can't stand hypocracy....

Deep State Witch

(10,425 posts)
27. Depends on Which Deity
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 01:51 PM
Jun 2022

One basis for the U.S. Constitution was the democracy in ancient Athens, Greece. That was claimed to be divinely inspired by the Goddess Athena.

However, they are conflating the American "civil religion" with their own religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_civil_religion

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