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(135,832 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)There are plenty of Democratic leaders who genuinely care about their constituents and want to do the right thing. Chris Murphy is at the top of that list, and there are many, many others.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)by means of their donations ... and their propaganda outlets (cough ... faux ... cough)
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)It is a blatant lie that it is both sides, and it diverts attention from the source of the problem.
The only reason Mellencamp uses the both sides language is he is deathly afraid that his right wing friends and neighbors will see him as a Democrat. In other words, he is a coward.
johnp3907
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(3,148 posts)kacekwl
(7,017 posts)gun safety committee agreed way to easily in my opinion to this next to nothing legislation.
Ferryboat
(922 posts)Red flag law is a start. Sadly lacking as it only encourages states to adopt it. The rest of it pretty much worthless.
Sorry ass legislation overall.
Novara
(5,842 posts)The Dems caved JUST to try and get something passed. And the Rs knew damn well that they would cave. the Dems figured it was better to get a meaningless bill passed than nothing. The Rs are counting on saying, "Look, we helped you pass a gun bill. That's all you'll get. Be happy with it." And they will never, ever be open to passing any gun bill ever again.
This is all for optics.
And America loses.
The thing I hate about it the most? It will never fucking change. We will never get assault weapons off the streets and out of the hands of 18 year olds bent on mass murder.
But everybody can't wait to pat themselves on the back for FINALLY PASSING A GUN BILL.
IF it passes. I'm not confident this watered-down nothing bill will even pass.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Dems didn't "cave." They got the most that they could from the Republicans, and it was more than many thought possible. Indeed, it is the most significant gun safety legislation in over 30 years. Fred Guttenberg, the gun safety activist whose daughter was killed at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School, sees it as a MAJOR victory that will save lives. He was on MSNBC telling Nicole Wallace he has been crying tears of happiness all day. And he thanked President Biden, who he said promised him he would pass gun safety legislation while in office.
The agreed upon terms of this legislation includes key provisions gun safety advocates have spent decades fighting for, including:
1. Implementation of Red Flag Laws.
Under the legislation, $750 million would be allotted over the next five years to help states implement red flag laws, which allow authorities to temporarily confiscate guns from individuals deemed a threat to themselves or others. (Similar laws already exist in 19 states and the District of Columbia.) The legislation allows for the implementation of these programs through mental health, drug and veterans courts.
2. Closing the "Boyfriend Loophole."
While spouses, co-parents or cohabitating partners convicted of domestic violence are already banned from purchasing firearms, abusers in relationships between people who are not married and live separately are still able to purchase guns, creating the so-called boyfriend loophole. (According to Everytown, a gun safety advocacy group, about 70 women are shot and killed by an intimate partner every month.)
Under the new legislation, anyone convicted of domestic violence against a former or current dating partner would be banned from purchasing a weapon.
3. Expansion of background checks.
The legislation calls for an expansion of background checks into buyers under 21 years of age, providing three business days for the check into their criminal and mental health history to be completed. If that background check finds something questionable in a potential buyers record, the legislation would provide for an additional seven business days to look into the buyer.
4. Funding for mental health and school security.
The bill provides funding for expanding access to mental health services, including making it easier for Americans on Medicaid to use telehealth services and work with community-based mental health and substance use disorder treatment providers and organizations. And it would provide additional funding for the national suicide prevention hotline (since guns accounted for a majority of suicide deaths in 2020) while schools would receive funding to increase the number of staff members providing mental health services.
5. Stricter regulation of licensed dealers and gun trafficking penalties.
The legislation would also require more sellers to register as Federally Licensed Firearm Dealers, including anyone who sells guns to predominantly earn a profit. These sellers would in turn be required to run background checks on potential buyers and keep records of the sales.
The bill would also impose penalties on straw purchasers who buy guns for people who cant pass a background check.
https://news.yahoo.com/whats-in-the-senates-new-gun-control-bill-184238529.html
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)There are enough loopholes and certain conditions that lawyers will have a field day with the ambiguity. The rest is giving states money they can do as they wish. Red flag laws and background checks have to be nationwide with a real waiting period or they are useless.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Closing the boyfriend loophole alone will undoubtedly save lives.
This law is nationwide in applicability. No law is perfect but this law, now passed by the Senate, is a big step forward.
If Guttenberg is happy about it, I'm happy about it.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)I am surprised they got what they did, especially the red flag laws provisions and closing the boyfriend loophole.
You are going to have to find some other reason to bag on Democrats. This legislation is not it. You do realize that we dont have enough votes in the Senate to pass anything stricter, right? We need to vote in more Democrats in order to be able to pass a more comprehensive bill. Its a great start, like Obamacare was.
Lets take it, vote like crazy, and finish the job when we increase our seats in the Senate.
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If Fred Guttenberg is happy about it, I'm happy about it.
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kacekwl
(7,017 posts)if you don't ask. The statements you cited are mostly throwing money at mental health. Expanded background checks on those under 21. Background checks done by who. What about over 21. What about limits on the number of guns you can buy or ammunition ? Red flag laws set up by states, call the police to see if the applicant has a history, really we don't do that now ? A 18 year old bought 2 assault weapons and a insane amount of ammunition and decapitated children with them and this is the best we could get? Honestly.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Senator Murphy worked incredibly hard to get something meaningful passed.
And no, we don't "do that now" when it comes to red flag laws. Only 19 states and the District of Columbia have enacted a red flag law.
ripcord
(5,399 posts)Because we don't support punishing people who break gun laws, we wouldn't want to be too harsh on the people who actually own and use guns illegally would we now?
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Felons are routinely charged in every state for illegally possessing weapons. DAs love filing those charges since they're so easy to prove, and are often the only charge that sticks, like in this high profile case in CA: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-crime-immigrant/illegal-immigrant-acquitted-in-california-death-gets-prison-on-gun-charge-idUSKBN1EU27O
ripcord
(5,399 posts)Los Angeles D.A. Gascon's office chose to accept a plea deal that included dropping the charge of a felon in possession of a firearm based on the D.A.'s sentencing guidelines, that criminal just committed suicide after killing two El Monte police officers last week. Has the standard sentencing been in place he would have received 32 months and still been in jail at the time of the shooting. The mother of one of the officers and the police chief blame Gascon for the deaths of the officers and El Monte has become the 35th city to vote no confidence in him.
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/i-blame-gascon-for-all-this-says-mother-of-slain-el-monte-officer/
If we are going to make the laws dealing with gun crimes prosecutors need to step up and charge people with the crimes every time consistently.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Gascon did not just plea down gun charges, he pleas down all kinds of charges, which is one of the reasons he is under attack. You are obviously not a fan of Gascon. You have plenty of company, especially among California Republicans. But your link does not establish your assertion. It just documents another criticism of Gascon.
ripcord
(5,399 posts)The point is that gun crimes shouldn't be plea bargained at all. Just so you know I have plenty of company with California democrats in opposing Gascon.