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Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:35 AM

NEVER TALK TO A COP!

In light of todays ruling by the SCOTUS.

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Response to Lochloosa (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:37 AM

1. want to come back to this when I have more time

looks like it could be valuable

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Response to Lochloosa (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:39 AM

2. Related: Tomorrow is Shut The Fuck Up Friday, as it is every Friday.



ETA: Lol at the age restriction. It's a one-minute video reminding you to shut the fuck up when cops try to talk to you.

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Response to Lochloosa (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:51 AM

3. Always lawyer up, that isn't a change

In fact, itís pretty much what Miranda is telling you to do.

That said, no Miranda still means prosecutions case is screwed. That hasnít changed. What has changed is you canít file a civil suit over it. You shouldnít answer questions without representation, before todays ruling or after. We hammered this into our own kids, and everyone else should too imo.

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Response to Lochloosa (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:52 AM

4. true story- i once had a cop tell me,

as he was putting me in handcuffs- 'never tell the truth to the cops.'
the 1st thing he said to me was- 'why did you open your door for us.'
so, yeah, i'm never talking to the cops again. it all came out in the wash, but...

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Response to Lochloosa (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 12:17 PM

5. I can't believe that in this day and age people actually think that cops are their friends.

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Response to MenloParque (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 02:56 PM

10. I can't believe how many people here are acting like this isn't anything to sneeze at

 

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Response to Lochloosa (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 12:26 PM

6. I fully support the Police

It get's me a lot of grief, but I think the vast majority are good people doing a tough job.


That said, my policy is and always has been, keep your mouth shut and don't offer up anything other than your license and registration in a traffic stop. My police officer friends are the ones who suggested the policy.

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 02:54 PM

9. And always refuse them entry into you home or car without a warrant

Tell them to get a search warrant. And then shut up.

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Response to Lochloosa (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 12:38 PM

7. K&R ... and thanks for sharing!

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Response to Lochloosa (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 12:53 PM

8. There's a free Mobile Justice app from ACLU

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mobile-justice/id979642692
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.aclu.mobile.justice.ca&gl=US
No doubt, your phone is always with you.

Whether at a protest, a polling place or on the go, the ACLU's free Mobile Justice smartphone application allows users to:

RECORD encounters with public officials and law enforcement while streaming to your closest contacts and your local ACLU;
REPORT any abuse by authorities to the ACLU and its networks; and
EMPOWER yourself with up-to-date information regarding your rights as well as important actions and happenings in your area.


I got it just for the STFU advice.

You may also want to know your rights against search. (see below)

At the very least, learn to lock an iphone quickly by pressing and holding the power button and volume button(s), which are opposite each other. Whether or not you shut down or use the emergency function, a password login is required.

This is the "below" part:
A warrant is required to search your phone, like your home and home contents.
https://www.eff.org/issues/know-your-rights
A 2014 Supreme Court ruling. Remember to GOTV if you want any rights at all!!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216821536

but the issue of forced decryption ( "look at the phone, use your fingerprints, hand over your password" ) is still "out there" even if every ruling I have heard of has gone against forced decryption (IANAL!)
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/if-the-police-arrest-me-can-search-cell-phone.html

IN ANY EVENT, I recommend a very long password, even if you use biometric ID, because upon restart, it is required, and (this is important) most phone-cracking tools take exponentially longer to crack the contents of the phone if it is seized with every extra letter or number in your password.

Again, IANAL, but a password is generally considered "intellectual property" subject to more protection than biometric ID. And, it's harder to coerce, especially if your phone is not shut down, requiring a password login, if you are unconscious.

Unscrupulous cops? Don't bet your future on it.

Cops have cellphone cracking gear.

I do believe that much of the cellphone evidence collected in the Jan 6 coup attempt has been obtained from recipients of messages, who saved or screen-shot the messages before they were "deleted".

For any more detail, visit EFF's site. https://eff.org -- Electronic Frontier Foundation
I did not reference any law firm's website, though they may provide more detail.

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Response to Lochloosa (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 08:55 PM

11. Good stuff.

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