What happened to States rights... Now that SCOTUS has knocked down NY needing a permit for

[Peacetrain]

concealed carry... 100 years that state has had that law.. I thought these righties were all about states rights.. what did I miss

[Funtatlaguy]

1. States rights, stare decisis, individual rights, small govt. all so 2010 now.

[Peacetrain]

6. This!!!

[LoisB]

12. Indeed.

[Irish_Dem]

2. State's rights are only for persecuting women, POC, LGBTQ, and killing children.

And for terrorizing Americans, and for keeping them under draconian control.

[Peacetrain]

4. +1000

[Peacetrain]

3. Just stunning isn't it... SCOTUS might as well show its nra and rnc card..

[Irish_Dem]

9. Putin funded the NRA for a reason.

He wanted a more violent USA. To show that democracy is a failure.

[Funtatlaguy]

20. Mitch McConnell & Rupert Murdoch have transformed our country.

[Zeitghost]

5. You missed McDonald vs. Chicago

Which incorporated the second amendment through the due process clause of the 14th amendment and applied it to the states. Similarly, the 1st amendment does not only apply to laws passed by Congress, despite its wording.

[In It to Win It]

7. This! ☝🏾

[ripcord]

8. The same thing that happened when conservatives tried to use state law to supress free speech

[Peacetrain]

10. I think they have a whole new interpretation to laws..

Only for me... not for thee...

[ripcord]

19. Heller is the law of the land

Americans have a fundamental and individual right to own firearms, it is now connected to the 14th Amendment as is the 1st, I'm not sure why people ignore these facts since we have to live with them.

[hack89]

11. NY can still require a permit for concealed carry

it just has to be tied to objective and not subjective criteria. It should not take NY long to write the appropriate law.

[Peacetrain]

14. Good.. I am just stunned, with all the shootings .. the SCOTUS just seems tone deaf

[Zeitghost]

16. How many shootings

Are committed by licensed CCW permit holders? Just curious.

[hack89]

18. The overarching principle is a good one though

civil rights can be restricted but in limited and well defined circumstances. We shouldn't have to depend on the subjective opinion of a government official to exercise a civil right.

[Kingofalldems]

24. So you support this decision?

[hack89]

25. It impacts a handful of states

Nine I think. I think the impact is being overblown - it is perfectly possible to write strict gun control laws that meet constitutional muster. NY simply needs to rewrite their laws to reflect objective standards.

I support strict licensing of concealed carry.

[TheBlackAdder]

17. Good. NJ only allows about 2K CCW permits for private citizens, most are for money/gold transport.

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I would hate to see these Pineys and other yokels here carrying. They're already fucked up as it is.

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[FBaggins]

29. That's going by the wayside I'm afraid

NJ can require a permit/license, but they can't restrict it to just those serving in delivery security roles.

The "Pineys and other yokels" will soon have carry permits unless they have criminal backgrounds, significant psychological issues, or fail to acquire a reasonable amount of safety training (or similar)

[New Breed Leader]

13. That only applies to pregnant women

not men who want to carry guns to compensate for their tiny dicks.

[Frasier Balzov]

15. Oh you'll be seeing it.

When they toss out Obergefell next.

[RSherman]

21. I said the same thing!

What the hell, SCOTUS!!!!

[unblock]

22. "States' rights" has *always* been an argument of convenience for them

No high principles involved.

They were for states' rights when it meant allowing states to legalize slavery, and they were against states' rights when it meant free states didn't have to help capture and return people who had managed to escape slavery.

Their only real principle is that they want their way always. And they will say anything in the moment that furthers their own cause.

[gldstwmn]

23. There's no consistency.

[greatauntoftriplets]

26. Guns have more rights than states, apparently.

[Polybius]

27. They will say they support states rights unless it's specifically in the Constitution (guns)

They always have an answer, which is why I gave up debating them on Facebook.

[IngridsLittleAngel]

28. States rights only exist to protect white cishet males and crush "the others"

I mean, when is the last time we've heard these fascists try to invoke "States rights" to protect the masses or make life better for everyone? Never. But, damn, they sure love them some "States rights" when it can be used to bully women, discriminate against people of color, terrorize LGBTQ's...

In other words: Not so much states right, but more like states tyranny.

[Caliman73]

30. Those talking points are irrelevant.

I have said so repeatedly.

Republicans are not about "small government". They will grow government to whatever size needed to achieve the society they want.

They are not about "fiscal responsibility". They will spend or borrow whatever they need to for corporate tax breaks and the military. They simply do not want ANY spending to give the poor and middle class anything.

They are not about "the traditional family". There is no "traditional family" that is a relatively recent, and made up concept. Most people, for most of history, have lived in extended family groups, with intergenerational households. This idea of Dad, mom, 2.1 kids in the picket fence house is modern. What Conservatives want is for MEN to be in charge. Period. Men (and not even all men) get to tell everyone else how to act. Rich White Men can have mistresses whom they force to get abortions, whom they can beat, etc... because they are privileged and deserve their pleasures. The rest of us need to know our place.

They are NOT about States Rights. They are about anything they want, to protect the status quo and enforce the hierarchy. If the State gives it to them, then "States Rights" if the Federal Government gives it to them, then so be it. Anything from the State or Federal Government that they see as giving the "undeserving" any sense of autonomy, is a violation of their right to rule unfettered by the desires of the masses.


What you missed is that Conservatives do not have any coherent policy platform. The only consistency they have is that the power in society should be theirs.