****1/6 Committee Hearings Day 5, thread TWO****

[BumRushDaShow]

(THREAD 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216833463)


CSPAN3, for those who have access to that cable channel, will be broadcasting it on TV starting at 2:45 pm EDT.

For those without a TV and/or who are unable to watch (at work or home or if traveling, etc), here are a few of what are many streams that can be used to view/listen to today's session (the major broadcast - ABC, NBC, CBS, and cable networks CNN, MSNBC, etc., and print - WaPo, WSJ, etc., usually stream these as well) -

[BumRushDaShow]

1. ****CURRENTLY IN A 10 MINUTE RECES*****

[spooky3]

2. Thank you! Nt

[BumRushDaShow]

8. You're welcome and I'm still picking myself off the floor after hearing that this guy was in the mix

[Marthe48]

35. Another one

n/t

[ancianita]

3. MSNBC: Clarke's home being predawn searched today by the FBI is good timing, even if coincidental.

It was decided by a judge who ruled just cause that a crime's been committed.

[crickets]

5. Very good timing. nt

[dweller]

4. MONKEYPOX IN NC !!!

My local nbc affiliate just broke away for this announcement and suggested to follow the hearings on their website …


duh, there are other channels nbc … watching pbs now


✌🏻

[spooky3]

6. Interesting. I just checked our local stations--NBC and CBS are carrying it

But ABC and Fox are not.

[dweller]

13. Ch 5 Raleigh

Went to their 4 pm news

✌🏻

[GoCubsGo]

20. My local ABC affiliate did the same.

Haven't checked the NBC/CBS local (Both owned by the same company), as I switched over to PBS.

[Mersky]

10. CBS affiliate here isn't broadcasting the hearing

Because it’s a Sinclair station.

[sinkingfeeling]

12. Watching on ABC.

[wnylib]

120. I have followed all the hearings on PBS News Hour.

Sometimes when I have things to do, I listen to NPR for speeches and hearings that they cover, leaving me free to move about. But their frequent interruptions to announce who they are, first nationally, followed by the local station, are frustrating and annoying. Plus, the people who cover hearings often don't stop talking right away when the action starts. Occasionally I've heard NPR broadcasters talk over the people they are covering in order to introduce them to listeners, even though they have just been introduced by the chair of a committee.

So I made time to watch these hearings instead of relying on NPR. It was worth it.

[ancianita]

7. Cheney's expected to come up with names of congress persons who asked for pardons.

It's probably the guys they already showed clips of, who were inciting the public:

Marjorie Taylor Greene GA
Gohmert TX
Biggs AZ
Gosar AZ
Gaetz FL
Jordan OH
Mo Brooks AL

Along with, of course, Scott denier Perry.

[spooky3]

15. They showed a clip of MTG and of Mo Brooks too. Nt

[ancianita]

22. Oh yeah right! Thanks. Will add.

[spooky3]

25. Yeah, I don't want to get greedy but would love

To see all of them go down in flames.

[ancianita]

28. You're not! No one is above the law, right? You just want justice.

These guys are aiders and abetters, and will be charged as such after their leader is first charged.

[spooky3]

104. Thanks! Now they are naming names! Nt

[spooky3]

111. You've got a good list! Five of them were named so far. Nt

[Hortensis]

127. Almost all house members are running for reelection...

[ancianita]

128. Given their voter nullification vote, one has to wonder what they now have to run on.

https://apnews.com/article/political-parties-government-and-politics-political-organizations-ap-news-alert-929ef25e2899ac5d70043f7f30c3269e

When the Senate reconvened at 8 p.m., and the House of Representatives an hour later, the proceedings — including the objection debates — continued, although some lawmakers who had previously planned to vote with the objectors stood down following the occupation of the Capitol.

[BumRushDaShow]

9. ****RESUMING KINZINGER UP****

[livetohike]

11. Engel explaining his role. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

14. Engel: Drafted a memo with talking points

in response to their receipt of a draft lawsuit drawn up outside of DOJ. The TPs would be for explaining to 45.

[ancianita]

19. Explaining to the outside letter writers that the DOJ had no standing to submit the letter.

I think the writers were Klukoski and Clarke? Not sure.

That neither Barr nor Rosen the DOJ had no need for a special counsel to investigate, nor wished to do so.

Trump still publicly demanded a "strong, fast and fair special counsel IMMEDIATELY."
And wanted Sidney Powell to run that special counsel. Hahaha

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Engel describing an odd request

Have a State AG to initiate a federal special prosecutor (delegate).

(state was Louisiana)

[Lars39]

17. Sidney Powell asked to be special counsel

[BumRushDaShow]

18. Scheme was to appoint a Special Counsel to "investigate" to add legitamacy to the fraud claim

[wnylib]

123. Like the special favor that Trump requested from

Zelenskyy. Announce an investigation of Hunter Biden. No need to actually investigate. Just announce it.

[BumRushDaShow]

124. Exactly

Theater.

"Reality TV".

[livetohike]

21. Donaghue describing a last minute meeting held by

Trump on Dec 31,2020. Trump asked them to seize voting machines.

[crickets]

26. Unreal.

It's like watching a toddler who just can't handle the word NO.

[txwhitedove]

61. Exactly how I just described all this to my granddaughter. Or a teen who keeps asking

the same question over and over, in various ways, then tries dad, etc, to get desired answer or wear you down.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. 45: Why don't you guys "seize machines"

Donaghue - no authority to seize machines.

[livetohike]

24. Kinzinger: Did you ever tell Trump that DHS could seize voting machines

[BumRushDaShow]

27. Donaghue: "Cipallone had an impsosible job but he did it well' (defending DOJ)

[livetohike]

29. Showing e-mails from Jan 1. One was to send Clark to

Fulton County GA.

[livetohike]

30. Scott Perry is an idiot. He needs a psychiatrist and a good criminal

defense attorney.

[durablend]

33. LOCK HIM UP

[crickets]

34. The Italians did it!

MI6 & the CIA too. I'd never heard about this. It's insane.

[BumRushDaShow]

38. ...

[dweller]

56. Can't find the video

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italygate


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[crickets]

116. Thank you.

I don't know how I missed this lunacy, but there was so much going on at the time. Maybe I just blocked it out or something. Thanks for the link!

[livetohike]

114. I didn't even know what to type. This was so surreal. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

31. Rosen: Meadows email to Clark to go to Fulton, County GA

and then to investigate NM.

Kinzinger describing vote-flipping CT text from Perry /w youtube link

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Rosen is unloading now...

Was trying to convince him about the "Italian" vote-switching CT.

[sinkingfeeling]

36. Insanity.

[Mersky]

37. "Pure insanity" was what Donoghue's emailed to the Acting Atty General

In regards to the Italian software vote flipping conspiracy video that Rep. Perry was pushing on Dec. 31- Jan 1.

[crickets]

39. Oh gad, Kash Patel.

That name will come up again. That he was even in DOD is mind boggling.

[AngryOldDem]

41. Surprised it hasn't already. Another dumbass.

[AngryOldDem]

40. WTF? Italian satellites?

I hope Trump never had a subscription to Weekly World News.

Fucking insane.

[Wednesdays]

45. Subscription?

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Rump was editor of the WWN!

[AngryOldDem]

46. LOL

You’re right!

[BumRushDaShow]

42. Clark kept insisting there was fraud

and back and forth with 45.

Rosen brought up "insubordination".

[ancianita]

43. Not liking Kinzinger's "stonewalling" word about Rosen and Donoghue's refusals to the prez.

They'd already explained the DOJ's role and the policy of contact authority with the WH and president, so their subsequent refusals weren't stonewalling at all.

[BumRushDaShow]

44. Rosen: "Was not willing to accept being fiird by a subrodinate"

(re: threat of being replaced by Clark)

[FalloutShelter]

49. Rosen has ticks and

He is a red as his tie.

[BumRushDaShow]

51. It's like they are all finally able to unload all this

(assuming they are half telling the truth)

[FalloutShelter]

59. Yes but they are clearly uncomfortable

About unloading even if they are ready to lay it down. I think they are being truthful.

[livetohike]

47. Clark told Rosen that he was replacing him and he wanted Rosen to be his Deputy.

[BumRushDaShow]

48. Rosen: Clark said "I could stay on as his 'Deputy'"

"was preposterous"

[Mersky]

53. That knocked me over

The gall of it… good grief.

[BumRushDaShow]

63. That's how they "roll"

with the power plays in the gangster world.

[Mersky]

117. Nothing should shock me at this point, and yet

That detail will nag me. So frustrating and annoying. Clark’s a fitting accomplice for tRump. Yeesh.

[BumRushDaShow]

50. Rosen (shakedown response) - Refused to sign the letter despite the promise not to replace

[spooky3]

52. All the witnesses seem very credible today. Nt

[MLAA]

54. Wonder why Rosen didn't fire Clark shortly after he was insubordinate and continued to engage

With White House after Rosen reminded Clark it was against policy for anyone other than Rosen or Donoghue to meet with White House without their explicit permission.

[MLAA]

89. Mr Donoghue answered my question....

Only the President could fire him. Donoghue nor Rosen has the authority since he was approved by the Senate.

[crickets]

96. 👆 I had wondered the same. nt

[LiberalFighter]

55. Notice how Chair Benny Thompson has Kiszinger and Cheney on each side of him.

Committees in the past always had Republicans on one side and Democrats on the other side of the Chair.

[Justice]

125. The person leading the hearing always sits to left of Thompson, Cheney always on his right.

[LiberalFighter]

126. That was not the point I made.

This time there was a Republican on both sides of the Republican.

In the past it was always one party on one side and the other on the other side.

[ancianita]

57. Rosen didn't want to leave the DOJ vulnerable with only 17 days left if he were forced out.

He wanted to keep the DOJ integral about the truth, its role, or the Constitution.

Jan 4 he called Meadows to see the prez, called Cipollone what was going on, called Steve Engel to come in, asked Donohue and Hovakimian to get the DOJ's senior leadership on a call to let them know .

Hirshman would be going to the meeting, as well.

imo, that Clarke would fire his boss and appoint him to a subordinate was a stupid hot mess.

[livetohike]

58. DOJ Assistant AGs all said they would resign if Rosen

was removed.

[BumRushDaShow]

60. Donaghue - started expanding their circle to bring everyone in loop

Five DOJ officials willing to resign...

[Lars39]

62. Just jaw dropping

[crickets]

68. Smart that he let them know what was going on ASAP.

To the credit of the DOJ that they all were willing to stand or fall together.

[BumRushDaShow]

76. He did mention one of the AAGs offered to stay even if others left

[Lars39]

98. The National Security one, iirc

[BumRushDaShow]

101. Yes!

[Diablo del sol]

64. Slightly off topic

But the aide
behind the committee, dark haired guy, early 30s. In the first couple hearings he had a bushy head of hair. Then got a nice clean haircut. I picture his Mother calling him and telling to get a damn haircut.

[BumRushDaShow]

66. LOL

[FalloutShelter]

67. Ha... 1000%

[dweller]

87. I wanted to ask who he is ... he certainly has a catbird seat

And a look on his face consistently like ‘I can’t believe this insane shit’
😵?💫

✌🏻

[PA_jen]

65. Holy Sh!T: 4:19 pm White House Referring To Jeffrey Clark as

Acting AG

[Lars39]

69. Just 17 days before Inauguration!

[livetohike]

70. Trump said "What do I have to lose?" (Regarding

replacing Rosen with Clark.)

[FalloutShelter]

74. BOOM!

[crickets]

71. What a revelation for tfg

to be confronted by an entire DOJ willing to stand up to him.

[BumRushDaShow]

72. Donaghue comment by 45: "What do I have to lose?"

Told him they had a lot to lose - in reference to placing Clark in charge of the Department of 115,000 people including the FBI, had never tried any cases, and had never been to Chris Wray's office.

Not going to happen!

[MLAA]

73. Wonder why Rosen didn't fire Clark shortly after he was insubordinate and continued to engage

With White House after Rosen reminded Clark it was against policy for anyone other than Rosen or Donoghue to meet with White House without their explicit permission.

[MLAA]

92. Mr Donoghue answered my question.

Only the President could fire him. Donoghue nor Rosen has the authority since he was approved by the Senate

[Lars39]

75. Donoghue....Clark not competent and no one supported him

[ancianita]

81. Donoghue and Engel said to trump that they'd resign if Clarke took over.

And mass resignations would ensue (and imo, such that the justice department coiuldn't even do what Clarke wanted in the next 17 days).

Engel convinced them that the whole institution would be a graveyard.

[ArnoldLayne]

77. Time for Garland to act now! Lock them all up especially #45

[FalloutShelter]

83. Murder suicide pact

The DOJ would be a graveyard.

WOW

[BumRushDaShow]

90. See this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142933712

Federal Authorities Search Home of Trump Justice Dept. Official
Source: New York Times

Federal investigators descended on the home of Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official, on Wednesday in connection with the department’s sprawling inquiry into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, according to people familiar with the matter. It remained unclear exactly what the investigators may have been looking for, but Mr. Clark was central to President Donald J. Trump’s unsuccessful effort in late 2020 to strong-arm the nation’s top prosecutors into supporting his claims of election fraud.

[BumRushDaShow]

78. Donaghue: "Im' not working for this guy"

Will have 100s and 100s of resignations if this happens.

[Lars39]

79. Predicted "hundreds and hundreds" of resignations

[crickets]

91. "and Mr Pres, what's that going to say about you?" BOOM.

[Lars39]

97. Ego saved us.

Just horrible how close this all was to happening

[C_U_L8R]

80. Donoghue is cracking me up.

He's a velvet sledgehammer... minus the velvet. This is gonna leave a mark.

[BumRushDaShow]

85. I bet that same sort of argument actually happened

except a couple dozen decibels louder!

[BumRushDaShow]

82. Engel: Cippilone called the letter "A murder/suicide pact"

[Lars39]

84. Kinda glossed over, but Donoghue didn't think the FBI would follow Clark

[ancianita]

86. Trump asked if Donoghue would fire Clarke, and was told that only the prez could fire him.

The prez refused and the meeting was over at that point.

[livetohike]

88. Trump called Donaghue about a truck full of shredded

ballots.

[AngryOldDem]

93. All this, because of one man. ONE MAN.

I hate that motherfucker. Hate him.

[livetohike]

94. On Jan 6 Rosen sent over 500 agents, etc to help with the

riot in response to calls from Congress members.

[BumRushDaShow]

95. Rosen had multiple calls w/Congressional leadership and VP (twice)

during the insurrection.

[peggysue2]

99. This session is BRUTAL

It shows the full extent of the pressure campaign to force DOJ to do Trump's bidding to overturn the election. Trump and his cronies didn't care about the law, the Constitution or the role of the Department of Justice. They were willing to use every conspiracy theory in the Universe to underpin their actions. Kudos to the members of the DOJ (after Barr) all of whom were willing to resign including Pat Cipollone, WH Counsel if Trump went through with this scheme, a plan that would have turned the DOJ into a graveyard (professionally speaking).

Jeffrey Clark, the man who reached too high?

He's fish food!

[Arkansas Granny]

107. Jaw dropping. This is the most damning testimony yet, IMO.

[BumRushDaShow]

100. Showed a clip of suveillance vid of Donaghue arriving at the Capitol and walking throuh the rotunda

[livetohike]

102. Rosen never spoke to Trump on Jan 6.

[BumRushDaShow]

103. Kinzinger mentioned some "requesting a pardon"

Naming names including Gaetz.

[ancianita]

105. Now Kinzinger brings up the congress people requesting pardons.

Mo Brooks calls and asks for him and Matt Gaetz, as confirmed by Hirschman and Biggs, Gohmert and Perry asked according to the prez's special assistant.

[Lars39]

106. Gaetz wanted a pardon...video of lawyer

[BumRushDaShow]

108. ****MOVING TO THREAD THREE*****

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216834245

[PA_jen]

109. Email seek pardon for every Rep and Senator who rejected

election

[livetohike]

110. Requesting a pardon "for any and all things." For

members who were at the Dec21 meeting. Gaetz, Brooks. Jordan talked about a pardon but didn’t ask for one. Gohmert asked for one.

[livetohike]

112. Kinzinger: The only reason I know to ask for a pardon is because you think you committed a crime

[Marthe48]

113. I don't think traitor has a fragile ego

I think it is all put on, as needs be. He didn't understand what makes real public servants tick, or his coup might have worked.

[C Moon]

115. We're going to need a bigger jail.

[Ford_Prefect]

118. A MUCH Bigger Jail...

[crickets]

119. 👆👆

[cloudboy07]

121. Leavenworth has room - com.-in - cheif -- hard labor !

most dictators prefer to --- but not say !

[ymetca]

122. It's like Nixon

was running around the White House with his dick out, for all to see.

We had a mad man at the helm.

At this point, who cares if someone thinks he might get off. Put that fucker on the stand and he'll do himself in.

TFG still thinks we need him on that wall. That's his Achilles' heel.