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IcyPeas

(21,916 posts)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 07:39 PM Jun 2022

Michael Beschloss asks:

Has the January 6 Committee also uncovered any evidence of major specific attempts by Trump to subvert Department of Homeland Security, Secret Service, intelligence or other national security agencies to aid his plot against America?





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Michael Beschloss asks: (Original Post) IcyPeas Jun 2022 OP
I'm guessing he wouldn't ask the question without knowing the answer... LakeVermilion Jun 2022 #1
Why, is he a lawyer? 😁 dchill Jun 2022 #13
Teachers do that also LakeVermilion Jun 2022 #21
I expect the committee has already agreed to be hands-off about national security sins Bucky Jun 2022 #2
I agree, there is going to be a lot of crimes we will never hear about. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #7
Inquiring minds want to know... ultralite001 Jun 2022 #3
Most likely. 2naSalit Jun 2022 #4
I would imagine so Deep State Witch Jun 2022 #5
There will be graves. Nt Baked Potato Jun 2022 #6
We know he gutted DoD leadership rsdsharp Jun 2022 #8
Damn Excellent Questions!! Cha Jun 2022 #9
I'm guessing that all of these agencies are also in the cross hairs. erronis Jun 2022 #10
Wasn't there something in today's hearing about Trump trying to get a different agency to seize Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #11
Pence didn't trust the Secret Service. Grumpy Old Guy Jun 2022 #12
There's that. dchill Jun 2022 #15
Asking for all Americans Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #14
YES! And that's what's going to convict Trump et al. Thanks for asking. n/t TeamProg Jun 2022 #16
Homeland clearly bottomofthehill Jun 2022 #17
While they moniss Jun 2022 #18
Good Department of Justice would go after questions like this. rubbersole Jun 2022 #19
Hopefully some moniss Jun 2022 #23
I fear Homeland Security.... paleotn Jun 2022 #20
Excellent questions. I also want to have Kushner detail all those pardons he was working on..... Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #22
Homeland Security Ron Johnson was the chairman for six years and a Trump support. usaf-vet Jun 2022 #24

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
2. I expect the committee has already agreed to be hands-off about national security sins
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 07:46 PM
Jun 2022

Remember that when they impeached Nixon, they all agreed to drop the charges about bombing Cambodia. Matters dealing with foreign policy and national security will always get skipped over when dealing with official corruption debates. You can challenge a politician if yu must, the empire must be maintained.

Irish_Dem

(47,528 posts)
7. I agree, there is going to be a lot of crimes we will never hear about.
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 08:21 PM
Jun 2022

National security will be compromised if disclosed.

Deep State Witch

(10,467 posts)
5. I would imagine so
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 08:06 PM
Jun 2022

Remember the Michael Ellis, the guy that was hired to be the new NSA General Counsel, even though that was never an appointed position? And NSA slow-walked his clearance process until two days before the inauguration, then walked his ass out the door the day after? I'm certain that was an attempt to suborn the NSA.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/us/politics/michael-ellis-nsa.html

erronis

(15,382 posts)
10. I'm guessing that all of these agencies are also in the cross hairs.
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 09:04 PM
Jun 2022

It will take a very sharp scalpel to excise the rot from within these groups. And who wields the scalpel?

The DOJ itself includes the FBI which would be one of the prime targets for investigation, and also the normal organization that would dig into these matters.

The DOD obviously has some investigatory ability but the whole damned department is a mess of special interests.

How many sleepers have been planted since W brought in the Liberty U cultists to help run the DoJ and advise (as in 'commissar') the other agencies?

NSA? CIA? NRO? Who's in charge of this web that can be very vulnerable to internal meddling?

Lonestarblue

(10,107 posts)
11. Wasn't there something in today's hearing about Trump trying to get a different agency to seize
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 09:07 PM
Jun 2022

election machines when the DOJ refused? Was it the Department of Homeland Security? The same one that had helped him create his own police force to intimidate protesters after George Floyd’s murder and to create chaos in Democratic cities.

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,179 posts)
12. Pence didn't trust the Secret Service.
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 09:09 PM
Jun 2022

That's why he wouldn't get in the car. He knew the head of the President's detail was a Trumper.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
18. While they
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 09:50 PM
Jun 2022

are at it they might want to look at whether he usurped them for his/his spawn's financial benefit, whether the boxes of documents he purloined contained items which have now been "sold", whether any of those documents have any connection to Jared's sweetheart deal and whether any of those documents had any relation to the coup. Was anybody involved in the "transfer" of documents to Mar-A-Ghastly or from there out of the country?

While I'm bringing this up does anybody else notice how quiet Mnuchin has been throughout it all? Nary a peep while he sits on his mountain of investment money given to him by a foreign source. Anybody notice how Erik Prince has disappeared into the background? Anybody notice how Bob Mercer and daughter Becky have all but vanished despite having been so huge in the 2016 Cambridge Analytica fiasco and Brexit? Should we really believe that none of these people were floating around all of the aftermath of 2020? Good reporting would go after questions like this.

rubbersole

(6,738 posts)
19. Good Department of Justice would go after questions like this.
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 10:02 PM
Jun 2022

And probably will. Shit is really hitting the trumpie fan. Hopefully just the tip of the iceberg.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
23. Hopefully some
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 10:26 PM
Jun 2022

of these people will be smart enough to start spilling their guts in order to get a deal.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
20. I fear Homeland Security....
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 10:06 PM
Jun 2022

God, I hate that name. Sounds like some Stalin, Pinochet love child. Yuk!! I fear Homeland Security is chock full of little junior nazis and needs a good scrubbing. Donnie the Dumb Ass seemed to think DHS was his own personal Gestapo, particularly the ICE contingent.

usaf-vet

(6,220 posts)
24. Homeland Security Ron Johnson was the chairman for six years and a Trump support.
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 10:44 PM
Jun 2022
His term ended in Jan 2021 meaning he held that office during the Trump presidency.

After six years as chairman, Republican Ron Johnson of Wisconsin presided for the last time Tuesday over a meeting of the Senate’s homeland security committee.

The panel voted 7-4 to advance the nomination of Alejandro Mayorkas to be homeland security secretary.

Johnson voted against the nomination.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/26/ron-johnson-presides-last-time-homeland-security-chair/4261302001/

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