I am past the age of having children.. but I am so heartbroken about the loss of Roe

[Peacetrain]

I think I have told this story before.. but many years ago, We lived in a upstairs apt.. the people who lived downstairs owned the property... The women had an ectopic pregnancy.. She did not know she was pregnant and almost lost her life.. literally it was a hour of hemorrhaging, getting her to the hospital and emergency surgery to abort the fetus cell grouping that had attached to a fallopian tube..

States rights be damned here.. she would not have made it if she had to go to a state that has abortion rights.. She would have had no right to her life to remove the cell grouping that had attached to the fallopian tube.. even the mythical six weeks that some states say you can still get an abortion.. who knows they are pregnant at six weeks??? not the woman who lived downstairs..

I am so so sorry to all the younger women.. that you do not have a right to your own body..

[Scrivener7]

1. I am past it too. It seems to me that you and I can have a part to play in

post Roe America. If they're tracking people who research abortion information, let them track us, and then try and prove our menopausal selves were planning abortions.

I have a relative who had an ectopic and another relative who had a molar pregnancy.

And I have many friends who just had abortions because they needed or wanted them.

Women of today are in terrible danger.

[Peacetrain]

2. I just cant stop crying.. but you are right,,

[MuseRider]

12. Very good point.

I will start that as well as using my big mouth.

Well, I just had to censor myself as I really do not want to be banned from here.
Sorry guys, those of us old enough to have been through this before and suffered a lot because of it and we may not really want to play the "not all of us" game yet. Please forgive us, we know you are there but it is tiresome to spend half of our time reminding you that we know that. OK? We thank you but do not have the time right now to add how grateful we are every time we mention this. We have serious work to do.

Fuck all, this is a bad day. I am too old to get this angry again.

[Scrivener7]

13. Oh, God. Please. They're not, are they? I can't even look. I'm afraid of how I'd react.

[MuseRider]

14. You see it now and then

here, maybe not too much but I have been a part of that discussion. I also just heard it from my husband, he won't be doing that again. I do not know why their support has to come with a cookie and a ribbon but......it makes me furious.

It might need to end up as our sig lines to remind them we appreciate the support but are too busy and angry to have to get on our knees with gratefulness. Really, equality should not need praise it should just be every day without thinking.

[Scrivener7]

15. When they leaked it it was all over here. I wanted to throttle them.

[MuseRider]

16. I just have to think

if they all took it as serious as it is they would never have had to say anything because it would not be needed now. Lots of men I know agree with me entirely but do they help us? Not usually. Some do and for that I am grateful and they HAVE to be smart enough to accept a thank you but it almost always has to be so much more. Helping people with their rights in a country that is supposed to be completely supportive of ALL rights should be a no brainer with no oozing of gratefulness required.

I just had to stop myself from saying "NOT ALL OF YOU" but I am pretty much done with that. I have to stop that knee jerk reaction, it has been so long that we had to beg and thank. If only there was a way to make them partly responsible for the results of sex they might feel differently.

[Scrivener7]

18. I totally agree. As Peacetrain and I said upthread, we are post-menopausal

women. Grief-stricken as we are, we are not directly affected by this. We are merely allies.

I could not BEGIN to imagine trying to make this about my ally status right now or about the ways this will affect me. The idea of demanding that we stop the discussion right now and acknowledge that I am an ally and express gratitude to me for that, or to express sympathy for the ramifications to those who are not childbearing women makes me feel ill.

The idea that I would bring up today the ramifications for me about this decision is unthinkable. How childish would I have to be?

All I can think of is how can we make these young women safe.

[salin]

17. Today, after yesterday, I am just exhausted

and numb. Knew it was coming, but the reality feels like it was delivered as a wheelbarrow of bricks dumped on the beating chest of the US.

I soon feel your last line.

[Faux pas]

3. Me too!

It's a revoltingly sad day for humans.

[Peacetrain]

4. I am just sick at heart...

[Faux pas]

5. I

was 24 when Roe became law. By 27 I was divorced and in love. If it wasn't for Roe, I would have had 2 children I didn't want or even could afford to take care of. I'm grieving for all women now who won't have the CHOICE. And, I hate every person out there who believes this is a good thing.

[Ocelot II]

6. I recall so clearly when Roe was decided. I found out when

I walked past a newspaper box and saw the headline, can remember that in my mind, clear as day, and I was so happy. I'd finished college a few years before, so of course I knew girls and women who got pregnant and either had to leave school or, in a few cases, found a way to get an illegal abortion. The high school girls just sort of disappeared for awhile - they were "visiting a relative" for a few months. And there was a group home for unmarried pregnant girls if they didn't have an aunt to visit and their parents didn't want them. A shopping mall is there now. Maybe they'll open up that home again.

[Peacetrain]

7. I am old enough to remember that also..

Also the young women who did not survive the back street abortions or home solutions.. how did this happen to our country??

[bdamomma]

24. The right

religious wingnuts wanted this for a very long time, so what's next????? Everyone is not safe.

[2naSalit]

10. I was a bit younger...

And at the age when it was not safe to be alone in many places and if "something" happened to you, it was your fault for being female and nothing would be done to help you while pregnant or after.

Roe v. Wade gave me a sense of freedom I never knew was possible until then. Now, I feel gutsick and pissed off like I cannot describe.

I want men to suffer until they change their bullshit dominance crap.

[Goodheart]

8. What the Supreme Court did today was also

to give a rapist additional power to control and haunt the lives of his victims right up to the moments of their deaths.

[Peacetrain]

9. I wish I could turn the TV off .. I knew this could happen.. but honestly

I thought they would step back from the edge of Handmaidens Tale..

[gldstwmn]

11. Same here. I am well past my reproductive

years. I feel like these girls have no idea what it's going to be like if they live in an area where abortion isn't available.

[Johnny2X2X]

19. I am a man, so I am never past it

This is a men's rights issue too. I can be forced to be a father against my own will now too. If I were to get divorced and start dating again, and lived in a Red State, I could be forced to pay child support for a child neither or nor the mother wanted for 18 years.

It is about control, never was about life.

[Scrivener7]

21. Gosh. Poor thing.

[MuseRider]

23. Maybe you should think a bit

about what you are saying, where you are saying it and how this looks considering what this has done to women. It has little to do with money although money does apply to much of what comes next. We are not really hollering about that, the money, it is the very right to control our bodies.

Do you not get that?

What you are saying is a complaint for another thread. You have every right to complain about that but until every fiber of your being is being controlled by the government it is really difficult for us to feel anything but anger that you would compare this to abortion rights.

BTW, EVERYONE involved in having children are responsible for paying for all that is needed. Just because you do not want to does not mean people are being unfair to you. If you need to clarify this please create your own thread somewhere. Given the gravity to our lives that we are talking about this really does not belong here.

[Johnny2X2X]

25. I totally get that

Just saying it's a men's rights issue too and millions of men will be marching too.

But I probably worded my original post poorly.

This is sending the country back 50 years, it's horrible, it affects us all, but it is undoubtedly a bigger deal for women.

[MuseRider]

26. THANK YOU!

We would love for more men to consider it part of their issues as well. Too often they say that but then leave the lifting to us. We can do it but again, too often we have to fight through men who try to take the issue to places that serve us no purpose.

We already have our leadership.

March with us, support us but for now please let us run this. We need bodies, money and support of all kinds but the issue for this current time is our bodies and our rights as FULL citizens of this country. I know I have never felt like a full citizen when my body has been constantly and specifically controlled by our government.

Thank you for clarifying.

[Scrivener7]

27. Except here we are again.

[MuseRider]

28. God I know.

Habits, social necessities. For us!

Sometimes I cannot even see or hear it before it comes out.

[Scrivener7]

20. If ever there were an occasion for mass civil disobedience, this is it. And I don't

mean rallies or petitions. I mean circumvent the laws this allows. Make an organized network of legal professionals and non-childbearing women who stockpile Plan C and organize transportation and access to those in the states that prohibit it.

The problem is, rich people will not even feel a hiccup.

Poor women's lives will become prisons.

[bdamomma]

22. This was a right

that was taken away. The SC isn't so supreme now. Those freaking right wing extremists religious wingnuts wanted this too happen. We are turning into a theocracy/white nationalist country.

We must VOTE in November to stop this.


Guns, God and babies is the Right Wings agenda.