This desicion also means that Supreme Court Justices lied under oath and don't believe in precedent

[icymist]

or in settled law. So what else are they lying about? Is this Court even legitiment?

[Irish_Dem]

1. Assume Republicans are lying about everything.

The GOP is not a political party, it is a crime syndicate.

[Beachnutt]

4. Obviously oath means nothing to them

[Irish_Dem]

9. The only thing that matters is power, control and wealth.

In their minds the rest is all BS.

[bluestarone]

2. EXACTLY!

RELIGIOUS LYING BASTARDS!

[crayn]

23. Lying for Jesus

It's called Lying for Jesus.Anything is ok to advance their Kingdom of Heaven.

[OMGWTF]

43. My mother is the biggest Buybull humper and also the biggest damn liar I have ever known.

And I'm old.

[cilla4progress]

3. Rhetorical question, right?

Absolutely not legitimate.

3 stolen seats.

2 sex abusers.

1 insurrectionist (that we know of)

[ancianita]

21. Right.

[RandiFan1290]

5. They knew nothing would be done if they lied.

They fight to win.

[Binkie The Clown]

6. "Under oath" means nothing to a dedicated Republican liar. nt

[onecaliberal]

7. 👆🏻👆🏻

[icymist]

8. So, if the SCOTUS can do whatever they want, including undoing 'settled law'

does that mean that lower courts can do the same? Can any court rule that something that's been legal for decades suddendly be illeagal?

[hedda_foil]

17. Yes, and then the ruling can be appealed and potentially stayed until appeal is heard.

On the other hand, right wing judges have been refusing stays for the past several years and even when the Court of Appeals rules in favor of existing law, it can be appealed to SCOTUS, who can then stay the appeals court decision and let the first court's ruling stand until the unholy 6 get to rule on it. That's actually what they did with the Texas abortion law last year.

[Zeitghost]

49. Yes it happens regularly

No court decision is written in stone for eternity. Precedent/Stare Dices is not legally binding, it's a guideline.

[icymist]

52. How about the term 'settled law'?

I do believe I heard the deciving Justices use that term quite a bit. Would it not be fair to say that under oath, three Supreme Court justices decived the Senate and the American people when answering questions at their conformation hearings?

[Zeitghost]

55. No.

Roe was settled law at the time.

If I said that capital punishment was settled law and legal in the US today, does that mean it can never change?


Every one gave factual, but carefully worded answers that would not bias then when future cases came before the court. Every nominee does that. Anyone who read any kind of promise pr pledge to uphold Roe was badly mistaken.

[icymist]

58. The bottom line is that they are biased,

have made abortion illegal in parts of the United States once again, and youg women are going to die. Not only that, but are aiming at the rights of others. They might as well build a moat around the Court.

[Srkdqltr]

10. Keep in mind ... womans vote is settled law as is the right for people of color to vote.

There a lot of people who would like to change that.

[essaynnc]

59. The bigger picture is horrifying..

Any law is settled law..and at this point able to be overturned.

Contraception, interracial marriage, gay marriage and rights, the EPA, are all on the block.

Take it just one step further... how about Slavery? Federal income tax? One person, one vote? Corporate Monopoly? The E P A? Women's rights? The ACA? Stand your ground? habeas corpus? The list goes on and on.

I shutter to think what could happen soon.

[LittleWoman]

62. Women's right to vote is the 19th Amendment to the Constitution

The right to vote for women is part of the Constitution which is more than settled law--settled law is considered a binding precedent which is not the same as being part of the Constitution. Removing the right to vote from women would require a constitutional amendment not merely the opinion of the Supreme Court. The Court can do enough to damage the right to vote for all of us as we have already seen.

[Srkdqltr]

63. That's true.

[Amishman]

11. It can't be proven they lied short of a polygraph (and those aren't 100% reliable)

They can claim the inconsistency is because they 'changed their mind' and there is nothing that can be done about it.

They are still legitimate in the actual definition of the term 'conforming to the law or to rules'. They were appointed through the established legal process - though the Pubs did exploit every gray area possible (Gorsuch!) in the process. This ruling, while a travesty, is within the scope of their authority and power.

They are disreputable, despicable, deplorable, damned, disgusting, and not to mention disappointing. I can come up with plenty more condemnations with the 25 other letters of the alphabet, but illegitimate is not one I can use.

[icymist]

45. Maybe I should use the word deception. Would that be better?

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After all these Justices decieved the American people to get a lifetime seat on the SCOTUS. Or maybe we should use the Christofacist word 'fib'. The main thing is these people sought to get placed on the Court (so they could change their minds).

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. Please let this be the end of extreme gullibility. We don't live in

A just and gentile world anymore

[intheflow]

60. The world has never been just and gentile.

I'm guessing you're a straight white person who lives in a rural part of the country (or at least, a suburban area). I'm a straight white woman and grew up in the "just and gentle" 'burbs during the 1960s and '70s. They weren't really just and gentle, but that was the implicit narrative of our every day lives, in school and out. We learned about the Civil Rights movement, but it was the rise of colorblindness and racial strife was portrayed as history. It wasn't until I left the 'burbs and lived in the real world that I understood that the past was still alive and kicking, and the world injust. I'd just been sheltered from the brutality.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

64. Disagree

[In It to Win It]

13. Their answers were vague enough to not be a lie

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[SheltieLover]

14. Pootin's puppets must be removed. From the bench, congress, & state / local positions!

[TheRealNorth]

15. IOKIYAR

Only Democrats get charged with perjury. Even if Republicans get convicted, someone like Don the Con will pardon them.

[icymist]

16. Breaking News: The Emancipation Proclamation has been revoked as SCOTUS declares 'settled law'

a fictional national delusion. "There never has been precident" yells ex-Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as he is clad in leg irons and led off to work the rest of his life in servitude.

[sinkingfeeling]

18. I suggest they be impeached.

[Aaeia]

19. Impeach

All 3 justice's lied under oath. Can they be impeached?

[ancianita]

20. NOPE. We don't have the congressional votes.

[Mr.Bill]

24. We don't have the votes to remove them from office,

but the House has the votes to impeach them.

[ancianita]

25. Wasted energy. Impeachment isn't removal. Just a point score that will really do nothing.

[Mr.Bill]

27. Do you think it was wasted energy

to impeach Trump twice? I think it was Nancy Pelosi doing her duty.

[ancianita]

34. No. Not the same. I think you know that.

[Mr.Bill]

36. You are right. This is far worse.

These people have lifetime terms, and they are just getting started.

[bluestarone]

29. After this bullshit, we should have FULL control of the Senate after November! ( i did say SHOULD)

I'm sure we won't. BUT what a wonderful dream i just had. Please VOTERS, WE CAN DO THIS! Then IMPEACH ALL OF THEM!

[ancianita]

41. Why are you sure we won't? I think Fetterman and Demings will win, don't you?

The House can impeach. The Senate will not remove without a 2/3 vote.

Work hard to donate and GOTV for the Senate Democratic candidates in red states -- Jim Ryan in OH, Mandela Barnes in WI, Val Demings in FL, Cheri Beasley in NC.

[CountMyVote4Reality]

50. 2/3 Senate majority is a worthy goal, but will take time.

Let’s do it so we can toss the liars out.

[moonshinegnomie]

22. the house should have them arrested for contempt of congress

they lied. refer them to justice for prosecution. and if the court tries to block their arrest ignore them. after all the police all work for the executive branch not the justice

[ancianita]

26. That's possible. They did answer questions under oath, so you might have something there.

[Polybius]

46. I know you're upset, but please stop

Cra-cra talk makes us lose.

[intheflow]

61. WTAF?!?

If you or I lied under oath before Congress we'd get our asses locked up. Why do you think demanding the same for SCOTUS is crazy?

[RANDYWILDMAN]

28. This court is bought and paid for

by the federalist society.

[rubbersole]

30. Yes it is.

Leonard Leo is the most powerful man in DC. Dark money flows through his fingers like water.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

33. Citizens united has opened the flood gates for today

Which means Roberts has his hands all over this


Who couldn't see this coming, when money equals free speech

[bluestarone]

57. When we have FULL control again

THIS is another thing we need to fix! FUCK Citizens United.

[GB_RN]

31. The Democrats Can File All The Impeachment Charges They Want...

It won't make any difference, even if they have evidence of perjury lock, stock and barrel which they don't* - because not a single Repuke in the Senate will vote to convict.

*The reason they don't, at least with respect to their statements on Roe, is these guys never once said that they would not, under any circumstances, vote to overturn Roe. Nor did they say they would vote to uphold it under all circumstances. What they actually said was that they respected stare decisis or that Roe was settled precedent. Also, their defense against perjury would be to say that oral arguments and briefs caused them to change their minds. There is simply no case for perjury nor for “lying to Congress” charges here.

I'm NOT defending these assclowns. I'm merely pointing out the facts surrounding impeachment and any attempts to charge them with perjury (or “lying”).

However, Kavanaugh could potentially be charged with perjury WRT his testimony on sexual assault allegations, but we all know that ship has sailed. It just simply isn't going to happen either, as no criminal investigation will be opened, ever.

Let’s all keep our eyes on the ball (election day) and keeping the regressive RepubliQans from winning, instead of wishing for what’s not realistic nor possible.

Soldier on and cheers!
🖖

[Rebl2]

32. No it's not legitimate

At least not the right wingers on the court.

[Mr. Evil]

35. The 6 lunatics on our present SCOTUS are as delusional as TFG.

This is going to get ugly and then even uglier. They'll only have themselves to blame.

[RestoreAmerica2020]

37. We have the majority to impeach! Submit impeachment for perjury

..and btw while Dems are at--impeach Thomas tambien for being a culero! OK, perhaps not that, yet sure they can snag him on crime, corruption malfeacence kind of thing. Hell, B.Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress about a blow job.

In 1805 SC Samuel Chase was impeached, yet acquitted by Senate --so it has happened in history. Let's get their lying a$$es on public record and impeach them for lying to the American people while under oath.

IMHO..for what it's worth.

[Escurumbele]

38. They should be impeached, someone has to do it, kick them out of the court.

Words will never hurt, Democratic leaders must take action.

[BlueJac]

39. No

How can we accept LIARS on the unspereme court . Time for action even though the unsupreme court will be our enemy!

[c-rational]

42. If they do not believe in precedent, then let us get rid of the idea that a corporation is the

equivalent of a person.

[onenote]

48. I've always assumed we would expect that to happen if we gained a majority on the court.

[onenote]

44. Unfortunately, it would be hard to find a statement that would support a perjury prosecution

If you read the testimony, they hedged their answers in a way that would undercut any attempt to go after them for perjury.

[Zeitghost]

47. Precedent

Is not absolute and never was intend to be. Nobody lied under oath.

They said it was precedent, which was true. They said it was settled law at the time, it was. Nobody promised to uphold it, nobody said it was impossible to overturn. Everything they said at the time was factually correct.

[DavidDvorkin]

51. Yes, the Court is legitimate

Because the Justices on it were confirmed by the Senate. That some of them lied in order to be confirmed is irrelevant.

It is grounds for impeachment, though. Perhaps if, despite the current polls, there's a bluename in November...

[icymist]

53. There are those on this thread claiming that they didn't lie

but used some type of legal doublespeak. It's still deception. These Justices decieved us all.

[DavidDvorkin]

56. Most of us were pretty sure they were lying at the time

I was one of those who thought so. I hoped I was wrong, but I wasn't.

They were lying.

[Cha]

54. No, it's Not "legit".. they're Lying Assholes..

💙💛

[TigressDem]

65. Yup, and answer to second question. LOTS. Third question. NOT REALLY. nt