So whose fault is today's overturning of Roe vs Wade?

[BlueCheeseAgain]

Well, if you look at the statement by most mainstream Democrats or liberals, you get a clear answer: Republicans.

If you look at the statement by most of the DSA/Justice Dem types, you get a different answer: Democrats.

I know which of those represents my viewpoints more accurately.

[MiniMe]

2. I'd say Mitch and his stolen SCOTUS seat

[bronxiteforever]

5. +100 Absolutely

[BlueCheeseAgain]

8. So I guess you'd be in the group that blames Republicans.

[MiniMe]

9. I blame Mitch, and a concerned Susan Collins

[Mr.Bill]

16. And also Mitch changing the rules

so only a simple majority is required to seat a SC Justice. No way any of Trumps radical appointments would be on the court if they needed more than a simple majority.

[Samrob]

3. It's why we are where we are right now. History of this began with Reagan, reved up 2016 and

here we are.

[milestogo]

4. The Senators who approved these totally partisan, unqualified justices

like Mr Pubic hair on my coke.

[The Magistrate]

6. It Would Be Nice, Sir

If the 'DSA/Justice Dem' sorts would own up to the mighty contribution they made to the christo-fascist cause several years ago....

[comradebillyboy]

33. That will never happen, unfortunately.

[Cha]

40. Nah.. they're Too Busy Projecting.

💙💛

[Claustrum]

12. Um..... Mitch can stop Obama's nomination because he was the senate majority leader.

Democrats couldn't stop TFG because Mitch was the senate majority leader as well. There is nothing democrats could have done to stop ACB's nomination because we aren't the senate majority leader nor enough votes to stop her.

[mopinko]

22. it was a brief majority. he used it to pass the aca.

it was well spent. if you mist blame dems, blame the ones who stayed home in 2010. and yea, justus dems were among them.

[rzemanfl]

13. Enjoy your stay. n/t

[W_HAMILTON]

19. The "hard thing" we had to do to stop them was to vote.

Instead, the always-online crowd thought it would be much cooler to shit on good Democrats for meaningless likes on their social media feeds (probably most of which came from Russian and Republican trolls that loved the divisiveness and depressing voter turnout that they caused).

If THOSE types are still blaming Democrats for these problems and not themselves for thinking they support the right ideals while hockey assisting Republicans accomplish everything they want to accomplish, even more reason to call them out on their bullshit and rightfully point the finger at them as well as Republicans for causing this shit. Point out how fucking stupid they were and explain how their actions and words directly led to this day. Marginalize them.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

10. Politicians.

[rockfordfile]

11. The ones blaming democrats? Those people are fking stupid. They sound like Russian shit

[MichMan]

14. The one's who appealed it to the SC ?

and were ruled against?

[Xoan]

15. SCOTUS

[W_HAMILTON]

21. You're the reason Roe v. Wade died.

The only question is whether you are a Russian/Republican troll meaning to do it or just a clueless """progressive""" whose biggest political accomplishment is getting our rights rolled back. Either way, the Republicans thank you for doing their bidding.

[mopinko]

25. this.

[Cha]

43. Thank You!

💙💛

[Demsrule86]

20. I saw a post today that I found insane

Blaming Democrats for not codifying ROE. I am as enraged.

[DemocraticPatriot]

27. WE KNEW this day could come for a long, long time...

Obviously, codifying ROE is something that we SHOULD have done, IF we ever had the opportunity.

[Mister Ed]

62. Problem is, the GOP can always un-codify Roe...

... anytime they gain a congressional majority and the Presidency.

[chowder66]

23. McConnell and The Lying Justices.

McConnell because of his disregard for the institutional norms (stealing a seat) and the activist justices for lying blatantly about precedent.

[Bev54]

24. Voters who decided after 4 years of Trump and after McConnell stole 2 supreme

court justices, still voted republicans into office in house and senate races.

[electric_blue68]

26. Red State Voters who voted 3rd Party, Non Voters, McConnell...

drumph, over heated Bernie Bros, a few holier than thou progressives (I didn't join DU till 6/20 so N/A), The Koch Bros etc

[RANDYWILDMAN]

28. Mitch, Citizens united/John Roberts Bush v gore TFG

and Reagan.

Nice idiots(reagan) who make mistakes according to repubs (Democrats call it breaking the law) has become the norm.

Second, voting used to matter until the SC said it didn't. 2000 was a trick on most people and flipped the seats and who sits in them massively. Gore wins, then Roberts never gets on the court.

The Roberts domino continues

3rd people in power have made money=speech empowered the Right/repubs because their voting base is dying,

4th Mitch controlled the Senate on his side with an iron fist. didn't vote or confirm Garland unpresidented and then changed the rules after RBG died.

5th TFG is like reagan on roids, did everything the RW wingers told him and hd no clue what he was doing and didn't care

[AZSkiffyGeek]

34. I'll add Nader to the list

2000 was a dry run for 2016, and Dubya got 2 Justices out of it.

[budkin]

29. Republicans 100%

They've been working at this for 50+ years.

[arthritisR_US]

30. Any of the Democratic Senators who voted to confirm

any of the last 3 RW shilgibbon justices did all of you a desservice. They could have refused to vote or voted no, every single one of them could have. They could have refused to meet with them because clearly their nominations were illegal, every single fecking one of those bloody sods, such fecking wankers

[lpbk2713]

31. Trump stacked the deck at the Supreme Court.

It was just a matter of time.

[Hortensis]

32. Well, those who use every reverse to undermine support for Democrats

certainly play a part. EITHER liberal progressive Democratic or conservative anti-progressive Republican majorities will take power. Yet some who say they share the ideals of Democrats believe the path to power for them requires the Democratic Party losing to the Republican.

Note neither Republicans nor the RW extremists on SCOTUS are mentioned in Justice Democrat leader Waleed Shaheed's response, 6 hours ago, to women (and men) losing their reproductive rights:

Link to tweet

FIRST, identify your allies AND your problems.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

37. Nina "Biden's worse than a bowl of shit" Turner is getting sanctimonious too.

[Hortensis]

41. Well, we knew such an attention-grabbing opportunity wouldn't be wasted.

The trick is to get enough others to realize it to force the right-serving MSM to cut back on its blatant support of the anti-democratic and anti-Democratic left to elect Republicans.

Protecting/reestablishing abortion rights is incompatible with defeating Democrats. We're IT. The only IT.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

47. That idiotic tweet is so ignorant.

In 2016, the Republicans won. So of course we couldn't stop TFG's racist immigration policies.
In 2018, we won the House. So even though the GOP expanded their Senate majority, the ACA was saved from further attempts to repeal it. So we delivered.
In 2020, well, we only have a 50-50 Senate.
In 2022-- does anyone think that if Republicans win, they won't try to ban abortion?

In that moron's tweet, the Democrats were in fact right after time.

God, I hate these people that just spread cynicism and nihilism and don't actually ever get anything done.

[Hortensis]

57. Effective deceit doesn't spring from ignorance, tho. This is what

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they want others to believe. It's as deliberate as anything Fox puts out. Not as cleverly constructed as what Rush fed his dittoheads; but once subversives get enough people coming for what they're serving up, they don't actually need all that cleverness to advance the strategy.

With you with that last. Wouldn't say they don't get anything done, though, with election margins as thin as they are. They've had successes, just not what they tell good, idealistic people they're trying to do. And they're probably feeling really jazzed right now.

Saikat Chakrabarti heard our Democratic leaders speak out yesterday, including President Biden's speech and AG Garland's promise that the DoJ will fight for reproductive rights, including protecting women who travel to other states for abortion and taking the position that states can't ban abortion pills. This is what Chakrabarti told his followers:

Link to tweet

We need more light on dissonance between what political actors say they want and what they do.

[betsuni]

58. +1

[mcar]

35. Anyone who blames Democrats for this is

to be frank, an idiot. DSA/Justice Dems seem to be trying to deflect from their own role in women losing their human rights today. And, as usual, instead of slamming Republicans, they are using the opportunity to once again criticize Democrats.

[Emile]

60. +1 Spot On!

[TheFarseer]

36. This is really not the time

To attack people that (mostly) are on the same side. We need to rally around what we stand for and get out the vote. Pointing fingers now (I’m talking to all lefties) is not helpful right now. Getting out the message and getting out the vote might be.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

49. Did they vote for Democrats? Are they going to vote for Democrats?

If yes, it's all good with me. If not, well, then they're not really on the same side, are they?

[TheFarseer]

56. In 2016

The Green candidate got 1.06% of the vote. In 2020 they got a mere .26%, so it would seem a lot of people got a reality check.

[Cha]

38. "DSA/JD/Etc" are Projecting. Sarandon

& her Gaslit Hate Shit comes to mind And, Nina Turner.. "won't Vote for Hillary".. advocating 3rd party Vote for Jill Stein.

💙💛

[nini]

44. It's a long list starting when Reagan embraced evangelicals

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But lots of low turnouts for every damn election didn't help.

[StevieM]

45. James Comey. (eom)

[BlueCheeseAgain]

50. He definitely has his own circle of hell with me.

[Ace Rothstein]

46. A few different things led to this.

The 2010 elections absolutely killed us and has lead to a lot of the craziness from the Republicans since.

RBG not retiring in Obama's first 6 years was a massive error.

The people who couldn't stomach voting for Hillary in 2016 despite being told that losing that election would result in the Supreme Court being lost for decades if Trump won.

Not retaking the Senate in 2018 and having no room for error after the 2020 elections that should have given us a larger margin in the Senate.

[gulliver]

48. Putin is a rat faced punk.

I know you agree.

[PlanetBev]

51. It was a perfect storm

Reagan, Bush. AM hate radio, Fox News, partisan gerimandering, the Electoral College, evangelical churches, lazy voters, non-voters, ignorance, craven politicians, etc.

It all came together in a massive shit storm.

[Emile]

52. Mitch McConnell and Donald Trumpl

[mnhtnbb]

53. We have a broken system of government

that allows minority rule. The Electoral College allows a candidate who doesn't win the most votes in the country to become President. States with significantly less population have the same number of US Senators that states do with more population.

The Senate controls the process of approving/ seating Justices of the Supreme Court.

Democrats MUST turn out for EVERY election in order to balance the system having been designed to give more weight to agrarian (slave holding) states.

Today, women were told that based upon the state in which they live, they may no longer have bodily autonomy. Think about that.

VOTE!!

[Hortensis]

61. As you say: VOTE! Nothing's happened we can't fix even better.

[In It to Win It]

55. Voters

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Each time we didn't win an election is the reason Roe was overturned.

Reagan winning was a step toward overturning Roe.
GHW Bush winning was a step toward overturning Roe.
Bush 43 winning was a step toward overturning Roe.
Trump winning was a step toward overturning Roe.

Each time we didn't elect enough pro-choice Democrats to Congress was a step toward overturning Roe.
Each time we lost a seat in either chamber of Congress was a step toward overturning Roe.

We didn't win using the rules of the system we have.
We didn't vote; we didn't turn out; we didn't do what we needed to do in critical elections over the last 50 years because each election counted.

Each time lost was a step toward overturning Roe.

[Hortensis]

59. Plus A MILLION.

Political scientists report that for over 40 years EVERY time and place today's Republican leaders get majority power they use it to dismantle and corrupt democratic government of, by and for the people and what we've created for ourselves with it.

[bigtree]

63. so your answer is to attack Democrats

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...basically the thing you say bothers you.

Justice Democrats is a marginal group who get more attention from detractors than actual Democratic voters. Their most dominant purpose seems to be to enable moderates to drag progressives.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

64. Are those folks Democrats?

The ones I'm referring to voted for Jill Stein, called voting for Biden eating half a bowl of s***, and reflexively criticize Democrats any time the Republicans do something bad.

If they don't vote for you, actively discourage people from voting for you, and blame you for everything else, in what sense are they Democrats?