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RKP5637

(67,088 posts)
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 06:19 PM Jun 2022

In case you don't know, here is where the US is headed: Dominionism - thanks F'en SCOTUS

Dominion theology (also known as dominionism) is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation which is governed by Christians and based on their understandings of biblical law. Extents of rule and ways of acquiring governing authority are varied.

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In case you don't know, here is where the US is headed: Dominionism - thanks F'en SCOTUS (Original Post) RKP5637 Jun 2022 OP
Christo- fascists FalloutShelter Jun 2022 #1
Yes!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #2
But particularly the secretive Opus Dei Catholic cult flavor of patriarchal, fascist control. SharonAnn Jul 2022 #52
No different than the Taliban...just using a different book as the roadmap. n/t CincyDem Jun 2022 #3
Agree Deuxcents Jun 2022 #5
Exactly!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #6
They love the Taliban's style.. IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #11
We are now a white male christian minority ruled nation. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #4
I hope so, I tell people about this and they give me a deer in the headlight look. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #7
I know. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #8
Just because reality and the truth are negative... IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #10
Yes thank you. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #12
You're welcome IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #13
"Facing the truth will first hurt like hell, but then it will set you free." Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #16
Used to be that believing in "alternate facts" would get someone declared mentally ill IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #18
Yes narcissists and sociopaths have gained control of our government. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #21
Narcicism... Not just for a-list celebrities or the 1% anymore. IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #22
Yes add low intelligence to the list of leadership traits today. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #25
That too IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #28
Yes having some basic intelligence and experience used to be standard when electing officials. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #33
I think we did IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #41
Yes. We thought thought humans would grow, learn, evolve to a better future. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #42
Not just that we didn't take them seriously enough... IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #44
We didn't envision so many Americans going to the dark side. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #46
That we didn't IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #47
Yes I remember traveling out West in the 90's. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #48
The Clinton hate out here was bad, yes IngridsLittleAngel Jul 2022 #53
I agree, the number of Americans who support Putin and admire Hitler is shocking. Irish_Dem Jul 2022 #54
No it doesn't IngridsLittleAngel Jul 2022 #55
Here's what has changed in those 25-30 years dwayneb Jun 2022 #37
True, but, it's not all technology... IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #39
Russian bots have been very busy breaking down western democracies. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #43
We declared our independence from England... IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #9
Then we left open the back door to English corporations and banks. ancianita Jun 2022 #15
Vote like our lives depend upon it... IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #17
This is reality ILA dwayneb Jun 2022 #38
For the foreseeable future, we need to treat each election as "the most important one ever" IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #40
I want a jubilee of debt forgiveness and I want some genuine miracles - Not just control ck4829 Jun 2022 #14
These ideologies are why I reject the idea that everything is about greed and money. betsuni Jun 2022 #19
it is the melding of the two Cosmocat Jun 2022 #20
The greed and the money is right at the top of all this. It put these 3 justices in place, GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #23
Dominionism is usually associated with evangelical protestants, not Catholics Model35mech Jun 2022 #24
Unable to reply for fear of being ejected. lindysalsagal Jun 2022 #26
... RKP5637 Jun 2022 #27
Not Dominion, but failed states is what we currently face...I give it ten years if not checked pecosbob Jun 2022 #29
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #31
Some details on dominion theology, reconstructionism and "Kingdom Now" dominionism lees1975 Jun 2022 #30
Excellent summary, should be on DU front page! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #32
Christo-Taliban Novara Jun 2022 #34
Yep, exactly!!! Americans beware!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #35
Then we must become literalists of their sacred document Generic Other Jun 2022 #36
kicking. ... nt Hotler Jun 2022 #45
Some people, like myself, have been warning of this for a long, long time. MineralMan Jun 2022 #49
Yes! Scary/concerning stuff, especially with the current SCOTUS, etc. I've been RKP5637 Jun 2022 #50
Ohhh, yeah. I learned about them through then Air America Radio.... electric_blue68 Jul 2022 #51
 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
11. They love the Taliban's style..
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:35 AM
Jun 2022

Except for the whole bit about Mohammad instead of Jesus. But the hate and bigotry and cruelty is exactly the same.

Irish_Dem

(46,522 posts)
4. We are now a white male christian minority ruled nation.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 06:33 PM
Jun 2022

People have been in great denial about this.
I hope folks are waking the hell up.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
10. Just because reality and the truth are negative...
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:35 AM
Jun 2022

Does not make it someone's fault for pointing out the negative reality we're now facing.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
13. You're welcome
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:34 AM
Jun 2022

We on the left tend to stick to reality and fact, even if reality and fact isn't pretty.

Those on the right sure love their "alternate facts," especially when reality isn't what they want to hear or doesn't make them sound like the greatest thing ever.

Irish_Dem

(46,522 posts)
16. "Facing the truth will first hurt like hell, but then it will set you free."
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:41 AM
Jun 2022

One of my favorite sayings from when I was a mental health practitioner.

Yes the other side sees reality and the truth as fluid concepts.
They create alternative facts to further their agenda.
Straight out of the KGB handbook.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
18. Used to be that believing in "alternate facts" would get someone declared mentally ill
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 06:22 AM
Jun 2022

Now it gets them into Congress. Scary when you think about it.

And it's impossible to change things or make them better if you don't face the truth about them first.

Irish_Dem

(46,522 posts)
21. Yes narcissists and sociopaths have gained control of our government.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:03 AM
Jun 2022

They are ruthless and will do anything to maintain permanent power and impose their will on the population. Their model is Putin, they want what he has in Russia.

Yes what used to be serious mental illness is being normalized. The worse it gets, the more people want to deny it. Or pretend it is normal.

Yes unless people start facing reality, nothing will change.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
22. Narcicism... Not just for a-list celebrities or the 1% anymore.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 01:06 AM
Jun 2022

I think that's what I started seeing 25-30 years ago that was so shocking.. The frightening number of people strutting around, thinking they're the greatest thing to ever live and that the entire world revolves around them. People who left self-confidence and self-esteem in the rear view mirror a long time ago. They're always right, and the only way to also be right is to agree with them. Otherwise... wrong! Totally wrong! And therefore inferior to them.

And sociopaths... Oh, yeah, they've existed as long as humanity has. But we seem to be drowning in them and have for the same 25-30 or so years. Except now they've gone from throwing tantrums in a restaurant because they're out of ranch dressing or bacon to now running the media and government.

We're a nation held hostage by the mentally ill it seems. The longer they're "in control" and the more of a voice they're given by the media, the bolder they get. They want us to be Russia. They want us to be Nazi Germany. They want Putin or Hitler, and now openly admit it. Why not? It seems they don't get called out when they say it now. At "best", we get the "both sides" and "differences of opinion" nonsense. Because, yeah. Wanting freedom and democracy and peace is somewhere "equal" to wanting fascism and a nation controlled by a dictator.

Years ago, I used to gripe all the time that they have twisted "freedom of speech" into saying that the stupidity and irrationality of fools is equal to the intelligence and sanity of us. I can't even say that anymore. Thanks to how the media has framed the last several years, it now feels like insanity and stupidity is more powerful than sanity and intelligence.

Irish_Dem

(46,522 posts)
25. Yes add low intelligence to the list of leadership traits today.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 07:03 AM
Jun 2022

It would seem that talking nonsense and absurdity is a pre-requisite for running for office. The higher the buffoon quotient, the more likely to win an election.

And yes the US media is the propaganda arm of the Putin GOP.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
28. That too
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:23 AM
Jun 2022

Somehow, low intelligence became to be seen as an asset, not a detriment. That stupidity is desirable, and the dumber the candidate, the better.

It's why the first time I watched Idiocracy I found myself thinking "Geez.. This is how the future is going to unfold, isn't it?"

Irish_Dem

(46,522 posts)
33. Yes having some basic intelligence and experience used to be standard when electing officials.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jun 2022

That is all gone now.

The next century should be interesting, and probably not in a good way.

Sometimes I think we have lived in the golden age of the US, and never realized it.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
41. I think we did
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:44 AM
Jun 2022

At the time, though, we all thought and expected people would continue to grow and evolve and learn... Not go backwards.

None of us were counting on backwards - except for the ones who were glad to take us backwards.

Irish_Dem

(46,522 posts)
42. Yes. We thought thought humans would grow, learn, evolve to a better future.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:05 AM
Jun 2022

It has been the way forward as we saw it.

I guess we did not take 1984 and Animal Farm seriously enough, warning us of a dystopian future.
We thought it could never happen here in the US.

Putin and his evil minions, the GOP, had other plans.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
44. Not just that we didn't take them seriously enough...
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:57 AM
Jun 2022

No one counted on people like the modern day QOP seeing 1984 and Animal Farm and other dystopian works and thinking "That's awesome. This should be our new instruction manual!"

After all, only a madman would think 1984 or The Running Man would be a desirable way of life... And a lot of people didn't count on being led by madmen.

Irish_Dem

(46,522 posts)
46. We didn't envision so many Americans going to the dark side.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 12:56 PM
Jun 2022

And embracing the propaganda spewed by Putin and the gop.

Racism, hatred and fear is more ingrained in human nature than we thought.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
47. That we didn't
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 02:07 PM
Jun 2022

I was seeing some of the dark side as far back as the early 90's - back then, it was insane mass email discussions on BBS's Back then, I figured it was just some insane extremists... Not 30-35% of the country.

Of course, back then, we didn't have Putin, Fox "News", Qanon, Drumpf, or so much other crap that not only helped spread the insanity, but revealed how bad it all really was.

Irish_Dem

(46,522 posts)
48. Yes I remember traveling out West in the 90's.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 03:28 PM
Jun 2022

I was shocked at the venom and hatred directed to the Clintons in various settings.
It was crazy.

Yes I figured it was a small percentage of the population. No idea it would turn into the American people siding with Putin to overturn democracy and the US government.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
53. The Clinton hate out here was bad, yes
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:08 PM
Jul 2022

After all, California was red but heading toward purple at the time. So, a lot of people here were not real happy that the Eternal Reagan Revolution ended after 12 years. A lot of people thought they'd turn us into socialism and all of that nonsense.

It'd be nothing compared to what would come 16 years later, though... Totally full-on nuts because Barack Obama looked a bit different from the 42 presidents before him.

That was when we all got our eyes opened - it's not a small percent of the population, and they're even crazier than we thought.

I don't think any of us thought Clinton or Obama rage lead to siding with Putin or Hitler, though. Not this badly. Not this many people.

Irish_Dem

(46,522 posts)
54. I agree, the number of Americans who support Putin and admire Hitler is shocking.
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:18 PM
Jul 2022

A real eye opener and does not bode well for the future of this country.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
55. No it doesn't
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 01:06 PM
Jul 2022

We've always known there were a few. We just didn't think that "few" would total into the millions and be a large percentage of a so-called "political party."

dwayneb

(766 posts)
37. Here's what has changed in those 25-30 years
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:45 AM
Jun 2022

Technology has enabled the sociopaths and narcissists to find one another, to encourage one another, and to spread alternative facts at will.

The Internet is the most powerful weapon that the Fascists have ever had at their disposal.

And, I would argue that it's not all domestic - Russia in particular has worked hard to poison our political discourse and to drive the wedges, they have vowed since WWII that they would destroy us from within.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
39. True, but, it's not all technology...
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:33 AM
Jun 2022

I also seemed to notice out and about in the "real world" that a lot more was being done to feed people's stupidity and egos. Ignorance and antisocial crap seemed to be coddled and protected. Ego and arrogance seemed to be fed and fueled.

A lot of what I saw seemed to involve younger people. Kids, teens, sometimes very young adults. We all know part of that was the "My child is precious and perfect and can never be wrong!" mentality. But it wasn't solely that.

No question, the internet didn't help. But the seeds of the narcissism and antisocial behavior were being planted before technology made it easier to find similar people all over the world.

Irish_Dem

(46,522 posts)
43. Russian bots have been very busy breaking down western democracies.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:08 AM
Jun 2022

Right out of the KGB handbook.

To stir up and maintain dissent. Division, hatred, fear.

It has been hugely successful. And part of why Putin felt emboldened to invade Ukraine.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
9. We declared our independence from England...
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:34 AM
Jun 2022

Because of wanting "religious freedom." Only for a bunch of small-minded, narrow-minded aspiring fascists to take over and try to cram their religious beliefs upon the rest of us.

They want a Christofascist nation, and I'm sure yesterday convinced them it will happen soon.

One nation under god... or else.

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
15. Then we left open the back door to English corporations and banks.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:37 AM
Jun 2022

What we're in is a corporate takeover of democracy by corporations' christo-fascist bagmen. Christian nationalism has always been a major tool of global corporations.

Right now, polls show that they're in a minority. But they're in a power minority that's taken over SCOTUS, as Sheldon Whitehouse has proven.

What's left is the power of the majority's vote in 2022.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
17. Vote like our lives depend upon it...
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 06:21 AM
Jun 2022

Because they just might. And that minority is working overtime to take over the entire country - whether by gerrymandering, corruption, or violence.

dwayneb

(766 posts)
38. This is reality ILA
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:54 AM
Jun 2022

The July 6th hearings may very well be the last legitimate function of our US Congress.

Because, if the Christ-Fascists take control of the House and the Senate in 2022, they will set the stage for the complete takeover of of every aspect of government in 2024, whether by direct election or via coup.

They have the propaganda machine to make it happen, and they have the roadmap/plan to seize power once and for all.

Trump was a year away from accomplishing that goal when he lost to Biden. If he or DeSantis or someone even worse goes into power in 2024, they will finish the job that Trump began. The one thing he couldn't quite figure out was how to corrupt the DOD and the DOJ, but he was well on his way. Once the power of the Federal police forces and the Federal military are turned against the people, we are done. Just like George Orwell predicted, maybe our police state will be worse in some ways.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
40. For the foreseeable future, we need to treat each election as "the most important one ever"
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:40 AM
Jun 2022

That's just going to be reality until the Christofascists have far less power. 2022 is now more important than 2020. 2024 is going to be more important than 2022 or 2020. And so on...

I do have very deep fears of what would happen with a QOP Congress - even with Biden in the White House. Oh, sure, he could veto them to hell and back... But it still means 2 years of absolutely nothing being done, no progress, and the entire dialogue being filled with their crazy shit.

So, yeah. It's on us to stop that - by voting and beating the QOP in another election.

Then we need to do it again in 2024. And 2026...

Under no circumstances can we let them win again.

The best thing we can do? Urge everyone to vote. None of this "The midterms aren't sexy" stuff. Know someone wanting to sit out November? Tell them why they can't, and that this election is every bit as important, even if the White House isn't on the line.

ck4829

(35,038 posts)
14. I want a jubilee of debt forgiveness and I want some genuine miracles - Not just control
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:35 AM
Jun 2022

Otherwise, they're not really Christian! Just heretics, liars, and weak cowards.

And, no, don't say "No true Scotsman"

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
19. These ideologies are why I reject the idea that everything is about greed and money.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 07:34 AM
Jun 2022

Ideology is much more dangerous. Republicans didn't change after Citizens United because of money and won't change if money was removed from politics tomorrow.

Cosmocat

(14,559 posts)
20. it is the melding of the two
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 07:44 AM
Jun 2022

I get the differentiation, and I share your disdain for simply saying it about $.

However, make no mistake, the people who pour billions and billions into buying the GOP, funding all of the "conservative" media outlets, etc, it is about $ to them 100%. But, that is the just the top .00005%.

And, $ drives this shit.

BUT, to everyone else (the marks) it is the "ideology."

GoodRaisin

(8,908 posts)
23. The greed and the money is right at the top of all this. It put these 3 justices in place,
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 04:08 AM
Jun 2022

just like it put Mitch McConnell into the Republican leadership in the Senate. It stoked the ideology.

Model35mech

(1,496 posts)
24. Dominionism is usually associated with evangelical protestants, not Catholics
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 06:38 AM
Jun 2022

and it is a SCOTUS packed with radically conservative catholics that reversed Roe.

I point this out, not because radically conservative catholics couldn't be dominionists, but because the conservative SCOTUS catholics responsible largely escaped public notice and criticism of their personal prioritization of radical religious positions prior to this.

To fix this, for Americans to remain free, reaction and future actions taken must be focused on the correct actors and their radical agenda. We need a LOT more information on who, and how the radical Catholic 5th column is organized, and just what it plans to impose on society through its deceptively acquired magisterial power of our highest court.

pecosbob

(7,533 posts)
29. Not Dominion, but failed states is what we currently face...I give it ten years if not checked
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 01:17 AM
Jun 2022

Firstly, blue states will never acquiesce to this kind of tyranny, and they're a lot more powerful economically than red states. As the SC whittles away individual rights what we face is an accelerated race to the bottom in red states. Corporations will flee these states as their bottom lines drop...so will their citizens. Schools in these states will see a decrease in available teachers as they will continue to be scapegoated. Universities will see drastic drops in out of state enrollment. Red state workers won't receive raises and cost of living increases that blue states will, and let's not even get started on how red states will limit payouts to retirees.

lees1975

(3,841 posts)
30. Some details on dominion theology, reconstructionism and "Kingdom Now" dominionism
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 01:22 AM
Jun 2022
https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/06/how-doctrine-and-theology-of-american.html

https://baptistnews.com/article/two-viruses-threaten-the-life-of-the-southern-baptist-convention-male-hierarchy-and-dominion-theology/#.YraJ33bMLIU

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/06/christian-dominion-theology-intersects.html

I've been saying for a while now that Democrats need to become familiar with this and figure out how to get ahead of it.

Dominion Theology, including Reconstructionists and Kingdom Now advocates, are either Evangelical or Charismatic, of which there are none on the Supreme Court. But there is a Catholic version of the same sort of thing, which explains their bias toward the view.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
36. Then we must become literalists of their sacred document
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:43 AM
Jun 2022

Out Calvinist the Calvinists. Nothing like condemning the believers to the hell they deserve and have earned.

I raised was to be judgmental of Chreasters (Christmas and Easter Christian) who showed up twice a year fer chrissake!
I will raise scarlet A's on their chests. Or burn their fearless leaders logo on their backsides! With pitch and sulphur. That's just how I roll with hypocrites.

Disclaimer: No longer one of them, but retain the stiffnecked, hardnosed Sunday School marm attitudes about some things like morality and actual behavior that reflects beliefs. So the magical thinkers who felt they needed to Bible thump the GOOD NEWS lost me. Nice job, assholes. Your Christ would be so proud.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
49. Some people, like myself, have been warning of this for a long, long time.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 03:31 PM
Jun 2022

It is a real threat. It is not diminishing. We need to pay attention and act to prevent that from happening.

RKP5637

(67,088 posts)
50. Yes! Scary/concerning stuff, especially with the current SCOTUS, etc. I've been
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:33 PM
Jun 2022

concerned about this for a long time. Some get a deer in the headlight look when discussed with them. Americans have in many ways had it rather cushy over the past decades. Some take our democracy for granted. Maybe with the current SCOTUS decisions, they are now seeing the potential for some real misery in the US.

electric_blue68

(14,818 posts)
51. Ohhh, yeah. I learned about them through then Air America Radio....
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:34 AM
Jul 2022

if I remember correctly both Thom Hartman, and Mike Malloy talked about them.
Looked them up on line.




And here we are now...

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