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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn case you don't know, here is where the US is headed: Dominionism - thanks F'en SCOTUS
Dominion theology (also known as dominionism) is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation which is governed by Christians and based on their understandings of biblical law. Extents of rule and ways of acquiring governing authority are varied.
FalloutShelter
(11,833 posts)RKP5637
(67,088 posts)SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)CincyDem
(6,338 posts)RKP5637
(67,088 posts)IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)Except for the whole bit about Mohammad instead of Jesus. But the hate and bigotry and cruelty is exactly the same.
Irish_Dem
(46,522 posts)People have been in great denial about this.
I hope folks are waking the hell up.
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)Or they say it is being "negative."
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)Does not make it someone's fault for pointing out the negative reality we're now facing.
Irish_Dem
(46,522 posts)IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)We on the left tend to stick to reality and fact, even if reality and fact isn't pretty.
Those on the right sure love their "alternate facts," especially when reality isn't what they want to hear or doesn't make them sound like the greatest thing ever.
Irish_Dem
(46,522 posts)One of my favorite sayings from when I was a mental health practitioner.
Yes the other side sees reality and the truth as fluid concepts.
They create alternative facts to further their agenda.
Straight out of the KGB handbook.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)Now it gets them into Congress. Scary when you think about it.
And it's impossible to change things or make them better if you don't face the truth about them first.
Irish_Dem
(46,522 posts)They are ruthless and will do anything to maintain permanent power and impose their will on the population. Their model is Putin, they want what he has in Russia.
Yes what used to be serious mental illness is being normalized. The worse it gets, the more people want to deny it. Or pretend it is normal.
Yes unless people start facing reality, nothing will change.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)I think that's what I started seeing 25-30 years ago that was so shocking.. The frightening number of people strutting around, thinking they're the greatest thing to ever live and that the entire world revolves around them. People who left self-confidence and self-esteem in the rear view mirror a long time ago. They're always right, and the only way to also be right is to agree with them. Otherwise... wrong! Totally wrong! And therefore inferior to them.
And sociopaths... Oh, yeah, they've existed as long as humanity has. But we seem to be drowning in them and have for the same 25-30 or so years. Except now they've gone from throwing tantrums in a restaurant because they're out of ranch dressing or bacon to now running the media and government.
We're a nation held hostage by the mentally ill it seems. The longer they're "in control" and the more of a voice they're given by the media, the bolder they get. They want us to be Russia. They want us to be Nazi Germany. They want Putin or Hitler, and now openly admit it. Why not? It seems they don't get called out when they say it now. At "best", we get the "both sides" and "differences of opinion" nonsense. Because, yeah. Wanting freedom and democracy and peace is somewhere "equal" to wanting fascism and a nation controlled by a dictator.
Years ago, I used to gripe all the time that they have twisted "freedom of speech" into saying that the stupidity and irrationality of fools is equal to the intelligence and sanity of us. I can't even say that anymore. Thanks to how the media has framed the last several years, it now feels like insanity and stupidity is more powerful than sanity and intelligence.
Irish_Dem
(46,522 posts)It would seem that talking nonsense and absurdity is a pre-requisite for running for office. The higher the buffoon quotient, the more likely to win an election.
And yes the US media is the propaganda arm of the Putin GOP.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)Somehow, low intelligence became to be seen as an asset, not a detriment. That stupidity is desirable, and the dumber the candidate, the better.
It's why the first time I watched Idiocracy I found myself thinking "Geez.. This is how the future is going to unfold, isn't it?"
Irish_Dem
(46,522 posts)That is all gone now.
The next century should be interesting, and probably not in a good way.
Sometimes I think we have lived in the golden age of the US, and never realized it.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)At the time, though, we all thought and expected people would continue to grow and evolve and learn... Not go backwards.
None of us were counting on backwards - except for the ones who were glad to take us backwards.
Irish_Dem
(46,522 posts)It has been the way forward as we saw it.
I guess we did not take 1984 and Animal Farm seriously enough, warning us of a dystopian future.
We thought it could never happen here in the US.
Putin and his evil minions, the GOP, had other plans.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)No one counted on people like the modern day QOP seeing 1984 and Animal Farm and other dystopian works and thinking "That's awesome. This should be our new instruction manual!"
After all, only a madman would think 1984 or The Running Man would be a desirable way of life... And a lot of people didn't count on being led by madmen.
Irish_Dem
(46,522 posts)And embracing the propaganda spewed by Putin and the gop.
Racism, hatred and fear is more ingrained in human nature than we thought.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)I was seeing some of the dark side as far back as the early 90's - back then, it was insane mass email discussions on BBS's Back then, I figured it was just some insane extremists... Not 30-35% of the country.
Of course, back then, we didn't have Putin, Fox "News", Qanon, Drumpf, or so much other crap that not only helped spread the insanity, but revealed how bad it all really was.
Irish_Dem
(46,522 posts)I was shocked at the venom and hatred directed to the Clintons in various settings.
It was crazy.
Yes I figured it was a small percentage of the population. No idea it would turn into the American people siding with Putin to overturn democracy and the US government.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)After all, California was red but heading toward purple at the time. So, a lot of people here were not real happy that the Eternal Reagan Revolution ended after 12 years. A lot of people thought they'd turn us into socialism and all of that nonsense.
It'd be nothing compared to what would come 16 years later, though... Totally full-on nuts because Barack Obama looked a bit different from the 42 presidents before him.
That was when we all got our eyes opened - it's not a small percent of the population, and they're even crazier than we thought.
I don't think any of us thought Clinton or Obama rage lead to siding with Putin or Hitler, though. Not this badly. Not this many people.
Irish_Dem
(46,522 posts)A real eye opener and does not bode well for the future of this country.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)We've always known there were a few. We just didn't think that "few" would total into the millions and be a large percentage of a so-called "political party."
dwayneb
(766 posts)Technology has enabled the sociopaths and narcissists to find one another, to encourage one another, and to spread alternative facts at will.
The Internet is the most powerful weapon that the Fascists have ever had at their disposal.
And, I would argue that it's not all domestic - Russia in particular has worked hard to poison our political discourse and to drive the wedges, they have vowed since WWII that they would destroy us from within.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)I also seemed to notice out and about in the "real world" that a lot more was being done to feed people's stupidity and egos. Ignorance and antisocial crap seemed to be coddled and protected. Ego and arrogance seemed to be fed and fueled.
A lot of what I saw seemed to involve younger people. Kids, teens, sometimes very young adults. We all know part of that was the "My child is precious and perfect and can never be wrong!" mentality. But it wasn't solely that.
No question, the internet didn't help. But the seeds of the narcissism and antisocial behavior were being planted before technology made it easier to find similar people all over the world.
Irish_Dem
(46,522 posts)Right out of the KGB handbook.
To stir up and maintain dissent. Division, hatred, fear.
It has been hugely successful. And part of why Putin felt emboldened to invade Ukraine.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)Because of wanting "religious freedom." Only for a bunch of small-minded, narrow-minded aspiring fascists to take over and try to cram their religious beliefs upon the rest of us.
They want a Christofascist nation, and I'm sure yesterday convinced them it will happen soon.
One nation under god... or else.
ancianita
(35,933 posts)What we're in is a corporate takeover of democracy by corporations' christo-fascist bagmen. Christian nationalism has always been a major tool of global corporations.
Right now, polls show that they're in a minority. But they're in a power minority that's taken over SCOTUS, as Sheldon Whitehouse has proven.
What's left is the power of the majority's vote in 2022.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)Because they just might. And that minority is working overtime to take over the entire country - whether by gerrymandering, corruption, or violence.
dwayneb
(766 posts)The July 6th hearings may very well be the last legitimate function of our US Congress.
Because, if the Christ-Fascists take control of the House and the Senate in 2022, they will set the stage for the complete takeover of of every aspect of government in 2024, whether by direct election or via coup.
They have the propaganda machine to make it happen, and they have the roadmap/plan to seize power once and for all.
Trump was a year away from accomplishing that goal when he lost to Biden. If he or DeSantis or someone even worse goes into power in 2024, they will finish the job that Trump began. The one thing he couldn't quite figure out was how to corrupt the DOD and the DOJ, but he was well on his way. Once the power of the Federal police forces and the Federal military are turned against the people, we are done. Just like George Orwell predicted, maybe our police state will be worse in some ways.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)That's just going to be reality until the Christofascists have far less power. 2022 is now more important than 2020. 2024 is going to be more important than 2022 or 2020. And so on...
I do have very deep fears of what would happen with a QOP Congress - even with Biden in the White House. Oh, sure, he could veto them to hell and back... But it still means 2 years of absolutely nothing being done, no progress, and the entire dialogue being filled with their crazy shit.
So, yeah. It's on us to stop that - by voting and beating the QOP in another election.
Then we need to do it again in 2024. And 2026...
Under no circumstances can we let them win again.
The best thing we can do? Urge everyone to vote. None of this "The midterms aren't sexy" stuff. Know someone wanting to sit out November? Tell them why they can't, and that this election is every bit as important, even if the White House isn't on the line.
ck4829
(35,038 posts)Otherwise, they're not really Christian! Just heretics, liars, and weak cowards.
And, no, don't say "No true Scotsman"
betsuni
(25,380 posts)Ideology is much more dangerous. Republicans didn't change after Citizens United because of money and won't change if money was removed from politics tomorrow.
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)I get the differentiation, and I share your disdain for simply saying it about $.
However, make no mistake, the people who pour billions and billions into buying the GOP, funding all of the "conservative" media outlets, etc, it is about $ to them 100%. But, that is the just the top .00005%.
And, $ drives this shit.
BUT, to everyone else (the marks) it is the "ideology."
GoodRaisin
(8,908 posts)just like it put Mitch McConnell into the Republican leadership in the Senate. It stoked the ideology.
Model35mech
(1,496 posts)and it is a SCOTUS packed with radically conservative catholics that reversed Roe.
I point this out, not because radically conservative catholics couldn't be dominionists, but because the conservative SCOTUS catholics responsible largely escaped public notice and criticism of their personal prioritization of radical religious positions prior to this.
To fix this, for Americans to remain free, reaction and future actions taken must be focused on the correct actors and their radical agenda. We need a LOT more information on who, and how the radical Catholic 5th column is organized, and just what it plans to impose on society through its deceptively acquired magisterial power of our highest court.
lindysalsagal
(20,584 posts)I wish I could agree with you but I don't dare.
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)pecosbob
(7,533 posts)Firstly, blue states will never acquiesce to this kind of tyranny, and they're a lot more powerful economically than red states. As the SC whittles away individual rights what we face is an accelerated race to the bottom in red states. Corporations will flee these states as their bottom lines drop...so will their citizens. Schools in these states will see a decrease in available teachers as they will continue to be scapegoated. Universities will see drastic drops in out of state enrollment. Red state workers won't receive raises and cost of living increases that blue states will, and let's not even get started on how red states will limit payouts to retirees.
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)lees1975
(3,841 posts)https://baptistnews.com/article/two-viruses-threaten-the-life-of-the-southern-baptist-convention-male-hierarchy-and-dominion-theology/#.YraJ33bMLIU
https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/06/christian-dominion-theology-intersects.html
I've been saying for a while now that Democrats need to become familiar with this and figure out how to get ahead of it.
Dominion Theology, including Reconstructionists and Kingdom Now advocates, are either Evangelical or Charismatic, of which there are none on the Supreme Court. But there is a Catholic version of the same sort of thing, which explains their bias toward the view.
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)Novara
(5,821 posts)RKP5637
(67,088 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Out Calvinist the Calvinists. Nothing like condemning the believers to the hell they deserve and have earned.
I raised was to be judgmental of Chreasters (Christmas and Easter Christian) who showed up twice a year fer chrissake!
I will raise scarlet A's on their chests. Or burn their fearless leaders logo on their backsides! With pitch and sulphur. That's just how I roll with hypocrites.
Disclaimer: No longer one of them, but retain the stiffnecked, hardnosed Sunday School marm attitudes about some things like morality and actual behavior that reflects beliefs. So the magical thinkers who felt they needed to Bible thump the GOOD NEWS lost me. Nice job, assholes. Your Christ would be so proud.
Hotler
(11,396 posts)MineralMan
(146,262 posts)It is a real threat. It is not diminishing. We need to pay attention and act to prevent that from happening.
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)concerned about this for a long time. Some get a deer in the headlight look when discussed with them. Americans have in many ways had it rather cushy over the past decades. Some take our democracy for granted. Maybe with the current SCOTUS decisions, they are now seeing the potential for some real misery in the US.
electric_blue68
(14,818 posts)if I remember correctly both Thom Hartman, and Mike Malloy talked about them.
Looked them up on line.
And here we are now...