How long until states impose travel restrictions?

[Orrex]

For women, of course. Men will still be able to travel freely from the slave states to states that still regard women as human beings, but how long before women are required to "prove" that they aren't traveling to obtain an abortion?


Until this morning, Heller was the worst SCOTUS decision of the past half-century, followed by Citizens United. Well, now it's clear what a truly awful decision looks like.

[Ocelot II]

1. Actually, Bush v. Gore was the worst; if W hadn't stolen the presidency

with the court's help we wouldn't be in this mess now.

[rzemanfl]

8. I agree with you 100%. n/t

[Orrex]

22. That's definitely a contender

PNAC plans were already taking shape by that point, so it's hard to believe that they wouldn't have achieved their aims through some means or another, but Bush v. Gore definitely threw it into overdrive.

[RockRaven]

2. How long before states start contracting with tech companies

to identify pregnant women via AI mining of digital footprints (often before the women themselves even know they are pregnant)?

[Wingus Dingus]

3. It'll be like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, women will have to travel with approved male escorts.

To make sure they're in compliance with forced birth. Probably will also have to make sure they attend doctor appointments, aren't drinking or eating anything harmful, not taking unapproved medications, taking their prenatal vitamins, etc. Someone will have to be responsible for these farm animals--I mean, women.

[budkin]

4. Soon

I know Texas is discussing it already.

[TheBlackAdder]

28. Papers Please.

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[MerryHolidays]

5. A few hours ago, I wouldn't have believed this was possible

I no longer think that's the case.

I can see these extreme radicals on SCOTUS upholding travel restrictions to prevent a woman from going from a state where abortions are banned to a state where they aren't. I really cannot believe this happened, but the implications of the Dobbs decision clearly make it likely, and several states are already contemplating these restrictions.

Think about the absurdity. If a woman lives in Arkansas, where abortion is now illegal, but travels to California, where abortion is legal and has the abortion in California, what possible standing does Arkansas have in prosecuting this woman?

If (when?) that happens, this is no longer the United States.

[Orrex]

26. Exactly

And of course it will formally declare women "separate but equal" from men who will obviously face no such restrictions.

[sop]

6. How long before they begin forced sterilizations of those they don't want to have children.

They've done it before.

[cbabe]

12. Forced Sterilization Is Legal in 30+ States, and It's Time to Do Something About It

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January 26, 2022

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Many other states have these laws too. Today, we released a report about these laws. The report says that 31 states plus Washington, D.C., allow courts to order disabled people to be sterilized.

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…more…

[NYC Liberal]

16. Buck v. Bell, which allowed forced sterilization, has never been overturned.

All those laws are still enforceable. A terrifying thought.

[roamer65]

7. Very soon TX license plates are going to be nothing but trouble up north.

[rzemanfl]

9. Down south too, they drive like shit. n/t

[salin]

10. Sarcasm (I hope) 2021: R- You can't make me mask or test to travel!

2022: R - You (women) must take a pregnancy test and submit the results before traveling (train, rail, bus or hired car).

I fear this could happen, but for now I just project and weep thinking about that kind of irony and the dystopia that is brewing and stewing ahead of us in the US.

[Arazi]

13. By the end of the year. Missouri's already trying

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/04/23/politics/abortion-out-of-state-legislation/index.html

[Skittles]

14. I don't see the airlines getting involved in this bullshit

they would resist any such efforts

[Wingus Dingus]

15. Imagine them pulling a sobbing teenage girl off a plane.

That's going to be some great optics, GOP.

[Skittles]

17. yup

and the logistics with planes landing everywhere, I see the Airlines saying NO to getting involved in any way with this debacle

[Orrex]

23. No problem.

They'll arrest the woman upon her return.


And I suspect that a great majority of young women involuntarily pregnant will lack the means to hope a plane for another state.

[DBoon]

18. You mean like the Fugitive Slave laws?

This is what happens when you regard human beings as property.

[Dysfunctional]

19. That would be unconstitutional. Even this Supreme Court is not going to throw out the Constitution.

[Arazi]

20. "Unconstitutional" lol. Whose going to stop them?

Serious question. The Christofascists believe abortion is murder. A capital offense.

It’s so fucked up.

Nothing is as it was

[Orrex]

21. How quaint!

They will say that the state has a compelling, overriding interest in protecting the lives of the unborn, and all complaints about that pesky ol' Constitution will vanish.


Welcome to DU, by the way.

[Dysfunctional]

32. I wonder how many roads there are that go from Texas to other states?

They are going to have to hire a lot more cops. And what about farms and ranches there are in Texas that are on the border? There will be underground railroads. They will not be able to stop women from leaving their states.

[Orrex]

34. They won't be able to stop them all, true

But the terror campaign that they unleash will punish severely the ones they catch, with the intent of tightening the state’s grip on women in general.

[Dysfunctional]

35. How will they punish them? They aren't doing anything illegal.

They can't pass a law that makes it illegal for women to leave the state. It will hurt poor people unless they receive financial help.

[Coventina]

30. Welcome to DU, comedian! Keep the laughs coming!!!!

[Dysfunctional]

36. If they do, I would advise every Democrat to leave the country or there will be new laws

that will affect anyone that doesn't agree with them. Think that is a laughing matter?

[ChoppinBroccoli]

24. Here's A More Important Question

How will they KNOW a woman is pregnant in order to place a travel restriction on her? Forget for a moment the Orwellian hellscape concept of pregnant women being forced to remain inside State borders. How will the government find out a woman is pregnant in order to place such a ban on her and alert authorities that she's not to be allowed out of the State? You see where this is leading, don't you? Doctors are going to start being FORCED to REPORT POSITIVE PREGNANCY TESTS TO THE GOVERNMENT.

We're entering territory here that even Putin dared not try in Russia. There is about to be a stripping of rights for women in this country unlike any we've seen, certainly in THIS country. We're not in mandatory burka territory yet, but you can see it from here.

[Orrex]

25. I would say that you're correct on all points

As to your specific question, I think that The State will make use of "anonymous tips" if a woman heads to another state, as well as turnpike camera records, etc.

Certainly financial records will be subpoenaed, and such a fascist regime would think nothing of forcing a woman submit to a thorough and invasive exam to prove beyond doubt.


I wouldn't have thought that scenario to be possible, but 24 hours ago I really didn't think that this radical extremist theocratic court would kill Roe, either.

[former9thward]

27. Never

[Blaukraut]

29. And you base your certainty on, what exactly? N/t

[former9thward]

31. I don't believe hyperbole helps any argument.

[Orrex]

38. What do you mean by "hyperbole?"

What do you know that Representatives Raskin, Fletcher & Strickland don't know?

I mean,, if it's just hyperbole, then why would this be happening?

[Ms. Toad]

33. When they do, they will be overturned

As violating the dormant commerce clause.

Essentially, states are not permitted to discriminate for(or against) their residents as to travel for interstate commerce. The commerce clause is just as much a part of the constitution as the second amendment is. If the 2A can prevent states from regulating interstate as to guns, the commerce clause can prevent state litigation as to interstate commerce.

[Orrex]

37. By this court? I hope you are correct, but I'm not confident.