After watching Rachel Maddow

[Woodswalker]

last night she outlined how SCOTUS now in full stride may well want to put a national ban on abortion and showed the real possibility of this happening. What would happen???? Would free blue states comply? Would law enforcement enforce the law?
There's even been mention of enacting sodomy laws which would ban gay marriage. I love Rachel but she painted a pretty scary picture last night.

[Laf.La.Dem.]

1. "SCARY PICTURE"

Sad to say - we live in scary times.

[Vinca]

2. Sadly, I don't think her piece was too far off the mark. The SCOTUS is packed with religious

zealots and they honestly think they're "doing God's work." What the people of the country want makes no difference. To them we're lowly sinners destined to burn in hell anyway. It's really quite frightening.

[Irish_Dem]

6. People doing "God's work" can be very dangerous.

If history is any guide.

[gab13by13]

3. There is an article right now on Raw Story,

that opines the SC, by taking away our rights will be the cause of a Civil War.

[hlthe2b]

4. Thomas as much as broadcast that as his intent...

No. I do NOT think RM is being hyperbolic or alarmist.

[Scrivener7]

5. People were saying "Roe will never be overturned" just a few short years ago.

That shit is coming.

[Ferrets are Cool]

11. I was one of those people. Boy, was I wrong.

[Scrivener7]

12. I feared it, and I understood it could happen, but I don't know if I expected it.

So you and I just need to learn from this that they are capable of enacting and WILLING TO ENACT all of this.

Thing is, they're seeding the local election places right now to take 2022 by whatever means necessary. And they are WILLING TO DO THE NECESSARY CHEATING. They will do this.

Normal people like you and me need to stop giving them the benefit of any doubt whatsoever. They are fundamentally not like us. They are cornered rats fighting for their supremacy and acting accordingly.

[Ferrets are Cool]

13. It wasn't so much that I was giving them the benefit of a doubt...

My reasoning is that it is such a great platform for them to run on that they would never repeal it. It is a scary reminder of what the SC really is...THE branch of the government that has no checks and balances and is now run by wannabe KINGS.

[bucolic_frolic]

7. This is like Prohibition. Legislating morality from the bench.

No she didn't paint a picture, she described reality based on the path clearly shown

[BumRushDaShow]

18. "This is like Prohibition. Legislating morality from the bench."

"Prohibition" actually became a Constitutional Amendment, so any SCOTUS ruling on it would be pointing to that.

18th Amendment

Amendment XVIII

Section 1.

After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

Section 2.

The Congress and the several states shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 3.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxviii

Congress and the states had to initiate the Amendment process again to REPEAL that -

21st Amendment

Amendment XXI

Section 1.

The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2.

The transportation or importation into any state, territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.

Section 3.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxi

If only we had gotten the ERA over the finish line without all the technicalities and ridiculous back and forth, some of this might have been averted.



(some in Congress are still trying to extend the deadline once more and the latest that would remove the deadline altogether passed the House last year but... the Senate. )

[bucolic_frolic]

19. You always confront me with facts

[BumRushDaShow]

21. I'm sorry.

Was a "Boardwalk Empire" fan that literally took place during that period and was historically researched to boot (including the whole Temperance Movement, etc)!

[Walleye]

8. Right wing keeps saying it should be sent back to the states. They are lying

They don’t want to send it back to the states. They went to outlaw abortion nationwide. They should be called on this fucking lie every goddamn time

[Celerity]

9. The SCOTUS can instantly out all abortion nationwide IF they grant foetal personhood from the moment

of conception (or from some other time measure, which would make all abortions after that time limit instantly illegal nationwide).

The Blue Sates will not obey. Not a chance, nope.

Then, if the Rethugs have control of the POTUS and try to enforce it via force, you may well have kinetic war and/or Blue State secession.

If they do NOT try and use force, then the Red States will start to disobey laws THEY hate and further chaos ensues.

[Woodswalker]

15. This horrible decision is going to snowball into something horrible

[Celerity]

20. I agree, the fuse has been lit. The US Constitutional system has always relied on good faith action

when you dig down and hit the rock bottom of the foundation. One party has tossed good faith aside, and they have the huge advantage of having, over the past 6 decades, slowly, grindingly, relentlessly gamed the system from local up to state, up to national levels.

The US is rapidly becoming an utterly dysfunctional nation at a myriad number of levels, vectors, inflection points and socio-political, socio-economic pathologies.

It doesn't help that the superstructure (our Constitution and its resultant form of government) is being shredded, warped, and weaponised by one party in a two party system. We are living in a period where its (the Constitution) longwave endemic flaws and limitations are coming to the fore.

Fairplay distribution of voting power is running headlong into a great unlevelling force via demographical presentations of ever-increasing(numerically) and ever more concentrated pockets of the population having their aforementioned voting impact diluted in the House, the Senate, and thus also in the Electoral College.

The US Constitution always had longwave ticking time bombs from its beginnings.

1. The Electoral College

2. The very nature of the Senate itself (for instance, soon close to 70% of the seats will be controlled by only around 30% of the population, and that 30% is far whiter, poorer, less educated, more racist, more fundie religious, etc, than the other 70%)

3. Extremely dated, convoluted, unclear wording in many parts.

4. The near absolutism of the 1st Amendment which will prevent clear and present systemic dangers from being effectively mitigated and quashed (for example, social media running riot, Fox, OANN, NewsMax, etc etc running riot)

5. The 2nd Amendment itself, which almost guarantees violent kinetic mass conflicts breaking out eventually

6. The lack of proportional representation, which creates a huge amount of alienation politically within the vox populi

7. The very nature of the US system of federalism, partially due to systemic power capture at a multiplicity of lower levels, with that capture-gained power then flowing upwards and enabling power capture (and thus ill-gained control) at the federal level

[Swede]

23. Celerity make this it's own post!

This is what is happening now before our eyes.

[Celerity]

10. There are 2 separate cases when it comes to gay marriage and sodomy. IF the SCOTUS overturns

Obergefell v Hodges, then gay marriage goes bye bye, but not gay sex itself. That case, the one that could literally criminalise LGBTQ sex if it is overturned, is Lawrence v. Texas.

[OnDoutside]

14. Scary or realistic.

[Woodswalker]

16. How could these religious robe wearing zealots not

see that their decision is literally going to turn America upside down.

[Woodswalker]

17. If indeed they do intact a National ban

What could happen in any blue state is a showdown between law enforcement (mostly conservative) and law makers. Basically the will of the people vs pro life or pro choice law enforcement officials. Mind boggling to where this might lead

[Liberal In Texas]

22. Last night listening to Ruth Ben-Ghiat on the radio she said

(and I'm loosely paraphrasing) that once they are successful in getting one thing accomplished like banning abortion they won't stop there. They can't stop, they have to keep proving and demonstrating that they are in control and that they have the power. She said that we can look for them to start on what Thomas said out loud yesterday; banning birth control, gay marriage, sodomy laws and no doubt more than those.

She is scary spot-on:
https://ruthbenghiat.com/