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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:32 AM Jun 2022

Just a rumor I heard on the news; Some Republicans want to classify abortion in this way.

A mental illness. If a women has an abortion they don't want to send her to prison, they want to send her to a mental institution for treatment. I don't know if this is true, but it sounds like something the Republicans would do.

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Just a rumor I heard on the news; Some Republicans want to classify abortion in this way. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Jun 2022 OP
Maybe the GOP could have re-education camps like in China and Russia. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #1
That's exactly what this would be. A re-education camp. Liberal In Texas Jun 2022 #5
Yes it is the rise of the fourth reich. They are not even hiding it anymore. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #7
It wouldn't surprise me in the least... it's a sad day in Amerikkka. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2022 #11
That will cost tons of money ...... Lovie777 Jun 2022 #2
Heritage Foundation Article. scarletlib Jun 2022 #3
That will never happen..yes yes I know. You cannot mentally commit someone on a whim PortTack Jun 2022 #4
Hasn't stopped them in the past. 2naSalit Jun 2022 #20
Right now the law is simple and very clear. You can only commit someone who is a danger to PortTack Jun 2022 #24
That's assuming that... 2naSalit Jun 2022 #26
Rs can see the backlash coming Deminpenn Jun 2022 #6
They just bound from one completely absurd idea to the next Cosmocat Jun 2022 #8
What? No re-education for the men? LakeVermilion Jun 2022 #9
I think they are afraid women will purchase AR 15's. Emile Jun 2022 #10
"Treatment" of certain "mentally ill" (poor) women will consist of forced sterilization (eugenics). sop Jun 2022 #12
Exactly. 2naSalit Jun 2022 #21
well, if they cant find a way to lock them up, how will they mopinko Jun 2022 #13
Church bazaar. 2naSalit Jun 2022 #22
bizarre. mopinko Jun 2022 #23
Which news? This seems like it needs a link USALiberal Jun 2022 #14
let them try samnsara Jun 2022 #15
There are very few snowybirdie Jun 2022 #16
Aside from great expense, which would require taxation to support Hortensis Jun 2022 #17
Very Dickensian viva la Jun 2022 #18
One of a variety of conditions for an involuntary commitment is that a person is a danger to dameatball Jun 2022 #19
Yes, not too much of a stretch to be concerned about in this era. Hortensis Jun 2022 #27
LOL. That's a scheme for a privatizing mental health for profit, I'd wager msfiddlestix Jun 2022 #25

Irish_Dem

(46,572 posts)
1. Maybe the GOP could have re-education camps like in China and Russia.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:34 AM
Jun 2022

To brainwash women into the "correct" way of thinking.

scarletlib

(3,410 posts)
3. Heritage Foundation Article.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:42 AM
Jun 2022

Posted last week or so by Heather Parton on her website. Her website is Hullabaloo.

PortTack

(32,715 posts)
24. Right now the law is simple and very clear. You can only commit someone who is a danger to
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:08 PM
Jun 2022

Others or themselves. If they change the law it would have to include men.

2naSalit

(86,335 posts)
26. That's assuming that...
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:06 PM
Jun 2022

The local courts are fair.

In the northeastern states, it's common practice for men to have a woman committed on his word alone. It may have change in recent years but it was a common thing when I lived there.

My brother tried to do it to both of his mates, he's an abusive asshole, and was partially successful with both. It was in an attempt to harm them to the utmost by getting their kids taken away from them, that was his goal. It was what my father did to all his wives and girlfriends, one of my sisters had to fight off such claims from her ex, one of my nieces is also facing such issues with an abusive ex who has, to date, managed to take her child away from her. He's done it to two other wives.

And I have seen it done to many women not in my family, it's not just us. It was all too simple for those men to claim the woman was not in her right mind and a danger to the kids so they took them away and subjected the mother to psychiatric evaluation which will then be used in court to remove the kids from her custody.

It's a tool that abusive asshole use to further terrorize their victims.

Cosmocat

(14,559 posts)
8. They just bound from one completely absurd idea to the next
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:59 AM
Jun 2022

They are going to run this country into the ground in a stunningly short period of time ...

sop

(10,106 posts)
12. "Treatment" of certain "mentally ill" (poor) women will consist of forced sterilization (eugenics).
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:28 AM
Jun 2022

"The...goal of the eugenics movement was to 'breed out' undesirable traits in order to create a society with a 'superior' genetic makeup, which essentially meant reducing the population of the non-white and the mentally ill...most states had federally funded eugenics boards, and state-ordered sterilization was a common occurrence. Sterilization was seen as one of the most effective ways to stem the growth of an 'undesirable' population, since ending a woman’s reproductive capabilities meant that she would no longer be able to contribute to the population."

"The SC case Buck v. Bell (1927) decided that a Virginia law authorizing the mandatory sterilization of inmates in mental institutions was constitutional...The Supreme Court found that the Virginia law was valuable and did not violate the Constitution, and would prevent the United States from 'being swamped with incompetence'…The Court has never explicitly overturned Buck v. Bell."

"California’s 'Asexualization Acts' in the 1910s and 1920s led to the sterilization of 20,000 disproportionately Black and Mexican people who were deemed to be mentally ill. Hitler and the Nazis were reportedly inspired by California’s laws when formulating their own genocidal eugenics policies in the 1930s...Hitler wrote, 'There is today one state in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception [of citizenship] are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but the United States.'"

"Throughout the 20th century, nearly 70,0000 people (overwhelmingly working-class women of color) were sterilized in over 30 states. Black women, Latina women, and Native American women were specifically targeted. From the 1930s to the 1970s, nearly one-third of the women in Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory, were coerced into sterilization when government officials claimed that Puerto Rico’s economy would benefit from a reduced population. Sterilization was so common that it became known as 'La Operación (The Operation)' among Puerto Ricans."

"Black women were also disproportionately and forcibly sterilized and subjected to reproductive abuse. In North Carolina in the 1960s, Black women made up 65 percent of all sterilizations of women, although they were only 25 percent of the population. One Black woman who was subjected to a forced hysterectomy during this time was Fannie Lou Hamer, a renowned civil rights activist. Hamer described how nonconsensual sterilizations of working-class Black women in the South were so common that they were colloquially known as a 'Mississippi appendectomy'."

"Additionally, many Native American women were sterilized against their will. According to a report by historian Jane Lawrence, the Indian Health Service was accused of sterilizing nearly 25% of Indigenous women during the 1960s and 1970s. In 1973, the year that Roe v. Wade was decided by the Supreme Court, supposedly ensuring reproductive rights for all American women, the reproductive rights of thousands of Indigenous women were entirely ignored as they were forcibly sterilized."

"Forced sterilization, especially in exchange for a sentence reduction, occurs often in the criminal legal system today. Government-sanctioned efforts to prevent incarcerated people from reproducing were widespread in the 20th century, and still continue today. In 2017, a judge in Tennessee offered to reduce the jail sentences of convicted people who appeared before him in court if they 'volunteered' to undergo sterilization. In 2009, a 21-year-old woman in West Virginia convicted of marijuana possession underwent sterilization as part of her probation. In 2018, an Oklahoma woman convicted of cashing a counterfeit check received a reduced sentence after undergoing sterilization at the suggestion of the judge.

"According to a report by the Center for Investigative Reporting, almost 150 women considered likely to return to prison were sterilized in California prisons between 2004 and 2003. Although they had to sign 'consent' forms, the procedure, when posed as an incentive for a reduced sentence, generates an ongoing debate about whether or not consent actually exists in these situations."

"Forced sterilizations in the United States are unfortunately nothing new and nothing of the past, either. Yet, judging from the reactions to the recent allegations of involuntary hysterectomies performed at ICE detention facilities, many people are under the impression that these are unprecedented atrocities that are unique to the Trump administration. Of course, it is not any individual’s personal fault for being unaware of the United States’ history with eugenics and forced sterilization; rather, it is a reflection of our education system and the history we prioritize."

https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2020/11/04/americas-forgotten-history-of-forced-sterilization/

mopinko

(70,023 posts)
13. well, if they cant find a way to lock them up, how will they
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:38 AM
Jun 2022

make sure those white babies get to the market?
i wonder if they'll have laundries like ireland back in the day. or maybe farms.

snowybirdie

(5,219 posts)
16. There are very few
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:23 AM
Jun 2022

mental institutions. Not going to happen. Besides them manly folks need someone at home to clean and cook when the ladies return from their day jobs.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Aside from great expense, which would require taxation to support
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:33 AM
Jun 2022

even in horrible facilities (and they would be), over half the population is female and still has the vote. And most of the rest have loved ones of childbearing age.

I can only wish just one state quickly began involuntary commitment to mental institutions for abortion. Sadly, it won't be that quick and easy.

But the midterms are coming up fast, another opportunity to continue the Democratic Party's reverse of the national downward plunge that started in 2016.

dameatball

(7,395 posts)
19. One of a variety of conditions for an involuntary commitment is that a person is a danger to
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:18 AM
Jun 2022

themselves or others. I can see where they might try to make the argument that a fetus is a person, so therefore....etc. Not that much of a stretch to believe they will try it. Seems unlikely, but so did other things we have seen in the past few years.

msfiddlestix

(7,271 posts)
25. LOL. That's a scheme for a privatizing mental health for profit, I'd wager
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:12 PM
Jun 2022

Probably a Religious component. I can just see it.

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