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OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:27 PM Jun 2022

We will need to either end the filibuster or get 60 Senators.

And we will have to hold Congress.

Either way, we need more Senators who will vote to end the filibuster to enshrine abortion rights into federal law.

While we are at it we need to do voting rights.

Is it possible to hold the House and make gains in the Senate?

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We will need to either end the filibuster or get 60 Senators. (Original Post) OrlandoDem2 Jun 2022 OP
It's possible but In It to Win It Jun 2022 #1
More doom and gloom. so not helpful Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #4
Then we need to be disciplined and take a long term view. OrlandoDem2 Jun 2022 #6
I agree. Our ideals and goals are not just about this election but In It to Win It Jun 2022 #8
Outrage over SCOTUS helps, but we need - NEED - to avoid any further economic turmoil Amishman Jun 2022 #2
Anyone who says inflation is an impediment needs to be told that we will vote Blue even if OrlandoDem2 Jun 2022 #5
We will, meaning politically active Democrats, but we're not the norm Amishman Jun 2022 #7
Yes. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #3
Anyone who doesn't believe MurrayDelph Jun 2022 #9
McConnell will never allow 60 Dem senators. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #10
Then nuke the filibuster. I was reluctant until yesterday. I am 100% on board with Democrats calling OrlandoDem2 Jun 2022 #11
Yes I think it is time to man the battle stations and fight like hell. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jun 2022 #13
We need 60 but in order to get 60 we would have to elect abort 75. old guy Jun 2022 #14
True. So we really need to nuke the filibuster. OrlandoDem2 Jun 2022 #18
I believe you are correct. old guy Jun 2022 #19
We only need a net gain of 2-3 senators to kill the filibuster Fiendish Thingy Jun 2022 #15
But then we need to keep the House. OrlandoDem2 Jun 2022 #17
Add contraception, same sex relationships, and same sex marriage to the federal law while beaglelover Jun 2022 #16

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
6. Then we need to be disciplined and take a long term view.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:37 PM
Jun 2022

2022, 2024, 2026, 2028 to infinity. All are important!

In It to Win It

(8,229 posts)
8. I agree. Our ideals and goals are not just about this election but
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jun 2022

about this election and every single election afterwards. We literally cannot afford to lose ground.

I made another post on a previous thread basically saying that the steps toward losing Roe started the moment Jimmy Carter lost re-election. Each lost election was a step toward overturning Roe.

Each time we can't get enough pro-choice Democrats, or even lost seats, in the Senate and House was a step toward losing Roe.
Each time we lost to Reagan, GHW Bush, W Bush, and Trump was a step toward overturning Roe. Two of these people only served 1 term. That 1 four-year term was too long. That 1 term allowed each of them to turn back 50 years of progress. That one term for each of them now equates to nearly half the Court. That happens with every issue you care about. Whoever sat out an election and they also care about abortion, they just cost themselves 50 years of progress because they sat the election just one time. That could apply to 2016, and also 2014, and also 2012, and 2010. Sitting out just one of these elections got us to this point.

Every single election counts. The one election you sit out was the pivotal election that reversed the most important thing you stood for whether that be climate change, abortion, LGBT rights, or whatever else.

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
2. Outrage over SCOTUS helps, but we need - NEED - to avoid any further economic turmoil
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:32 PM
Jun 2022

Which is going to be really difficult, taming inflation while avoiding a recession will require luck and creativity. And very swift action.

Our best stroke of luck so far is Oz and Walker getting the nods for the Pubs in PA and GA.

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
5. Anyone who says inflation is an impediment needs to be told that we will vote Blue even if
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:35 PM
Jun 2022

groceries and gas quadruple in price.

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
7. We will, meaning politically active Democrats, but we're not the norm
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:43 PM
Jun 2022

What matters most are independents. Why? Because each indie flipping from us to them is the same as two voters worth of increased D turnout. Polls are showing us losing with unaffiliated voters. It is also showing inflation and the economy at top issues with them.

MurrayDelph

(5,293 posts)
9. Anyone who doesn't believe
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:20 PM
Jun 2022

that if Mitch McConnell gets back in charge (pui pui pui) that he won't immediately nuke the filibuster AND come up with some mealy-mouthed bullshit rationale on why it's the Democrats fault, has not been paying attention the last twenty years.

So, to answer the question: we need to do both.

Irish_Dem

(46,838 posts)
10. McConnell will never allow 60 Dem senators.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:22 PM
Jun 2022

He would keep flipping them over to his side until he has a de facto majority.

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
11. Then nuke the filibuster. I was reluctant until yesterday. I am 100% on board with Democrats calling
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:39 PM
Jun 2022

for an end to it.

Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

old guy

(3,283 posts)
14. We need 60 but in order to get 60 we would have to elect abort 75.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:50 PM
Jun 2022

Conservative Dems are not to be trusted when push comes to shove.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,568 posts)
15. We only need a net gain of 2-3 senators to kill the filibuster
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:53 PM
Jun 2022

If Warnock and Kelly keep their seats, (NV is also close), then OH, PA and WI and maybe one other are possible pickups.

Since DiFi is not a sure vote to kill the filibuster, winning all three seats is likely required.

If we get enough votes to kill the filibuster, everything should be on the table:

Codifying Roe,
Voting rights,
Court expansion,
Passing BBB in its original form,
And so on, and so on…

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