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Ocelot II

(115,577 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 03:30 PM Jun 2022

MN's governor just issued an EO prohibiting state agencies from cooperating

with efforts by anti-abortion states to extradite or prosecute their residents traveling to MN for abortions.

A day after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, Gov. Tim Walz signed an executive order further protecting those who travel to Minnesota to get an abortion. "My office has been and will continue to be a firewall against legislation that would reverse reproductive freedom," the governor said in a statement Saturday. "This order shows our administration's commitment to protecting patients and health care providers."

The executive order, which immediately went into effect, commands state agencies not to assist other states' attempts to seek civil, criminal or professional sanctions against anyone seeking, providing or obtaining legal abortion services in Minnesota.

Additionally, the governor said he would decline to honor requests to extradite people accused of committing acts related to abortion that are not criminal in Minnesota.

Immediately after the high court's historic ruling, Minnesota became something of an island of abortion rights in the Upper Midwest. Every state that borders Minnesota either had laws to trigger an abortion ban (directly or indirectly) or plans to outlaw or greatly reduce access to the procedure.
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/gov-walz-signs-executive-order-to-further-protect-those-seeking-abortions-in-minnesota/
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MN's governor just issued an EO prohibiting state agencies from cooperating (Original Post) Ocelot II Jun 2022 OP
Excellent! 👏👏👏👏 SheltieLover Jun 2022 #1
Hopefully, states won't grab HIPAA-protected info by adding TOS or forced releases to state forms. TheBlackAdder Jun 2022 #37
Right! SheltieLover Jun 2022 #38
I think we need to always say "protect our women and girls". SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2022 #2
Mmmm..... infantilize them? They should be called "people." vanlassie Jun 2022 #3
Sadly, Higherarky Jun 2022 #13
Exactly. mzmolly Jun 2022 #34
In what context? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #6
also see this NJCher Jun 2022 #4
Just substitute the words 'runaway slaves' with abortion and we have history icymist Jun 2022 #5
Wow, plimsoll Jun 2022 #7
Underground railroads sarge43 Jun 2022 #12
I don't believe actions performed in one state LiberalFighter Jun 2022 #8
This will lead to a complete breakdown in cooperation between state LEOs. OldBaldy1701E Jun 2022 #9
It may well cause issues with the states that have bans with madinmaryland Jun 2022 #18
Never have we needed to have a complete female-elected government more than right now. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Jun 2022 #31
IANAL, but I think you're right. ShazzieB Jun 2022 #19
remember, Texas has placed a bounty on anyone who assists yellowdogintexas Jun 2022 #27
I doubt that will stop them from trying COL Mustard Jun 2022 #29
I live in NY. Do we have such a directive in place for folks in neighboring states like Ohio or... jstephenj Jun 2022 #22
So say I go to Vegas tomorrow qazplm135 Jun 2022 #23
Yes - the declaration is essentially entirely symbolic FBaggins Jun 2022 #26
Unless you have (or need to get) a security clearance COL Mustard Jun 2022 #30
condition of employment qazplm135 Jun 2022 #41
In the end it doesn't matter what you or I believe whopis01 Jun 2022 #25
Good for the Governor, but let us remember that six unelected religious zealots, with preordained c-rational Jun 2022 #10
I just saw Peggy Flanigan at a picnic dflprincess Jun 2022 #11
I don't think women in red states who are forced birthers understand the level of surveillance Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #14
Brush up on the Fugitive Slave Act. malthaussen Jun 2022 #15
K&R Bayard Jun 2022 #16
Bravo, Gov. Walz! Paladin Jun 2022 #17
TY & Gov Walz! Cha Jun 2022 #20
Hearing this has made me glad to be a resident of Minnesota! Blue Owl Jun 2022 #33
Oh Yeah, I can Imagine! Cha Jun 2022 #39
Sweet Jesus on a Pogo stick packman Jun 2022 #21
This should be done in Illinois too MustLoveBeagles Jun 2022 #24
We really are becoming two Americas COL Mustard Jun 2022 #28
I'll venture a guess there will be bounties and kidnappings from other states bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #32
Has anybody actually used this yet? Mad_Machine76 Jun 2022 #40
K&R spanone Jun 2022 #35
Thank you to the Snackshack Jun 2022 #36

TheBlackAdder

(28,163 posts)
37. Hopefully, states won't grab HIPAA-protected info by adding TOS or forced releases to state forms.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:23 PM
Jun 2022

.

Oh, you released your medical information.

If you read the terms, Section Q, subsection c, Part III, you'll see you waive your medical confidentiality to get your driver's license.

.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,082 posts)
2. I think we need to always say "protect our women and girls".
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 04:23 PM
Jun 2022

Girls probably get more alpha male sympathy than women.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
5. Just substitute the words 'runaway slaves' with abortion and we have history
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 04:45 PM
Jun 2022

repeating (rhyming) itself all over again.

plimsoll

(1,667 posts)
7. Wow,
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 04:59 PM
Jun 2022

I can see where this goes, but I just can get myself to actually type the name they'd give an act to enforce their laws.

sarge43

(28,940 posts)
12. Underground railroads
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:20 PM
Jun 2022

First thing that came to mind when I read about assisting women seeking abortions in open states with transportation and housing.

LiberalFighter

(50,768 posts)
8. I don't believe actions performed in one state
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:00 PM
Jun 2022

Can be prosecuted by another state.

It might be stressing to local law enforcement the limits of cooperating with authorities in other states. There are idiots and assholes in law enforcement.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,084 posts)
9. This will lead to a complete breakdown in cooperation between state LEOs.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:05 PM
Jun 2022

As well as almost any level of government up to the state level. The chaos that will ensue from this break in communication will make it seem like we have travelled back to the time when crossing the state line meant freedom. Almost as if it was planned, eh?

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
18. It may well cause issues with the states that have bans with
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:38 PM
Jun 2022

city and county governments not following the state’s requirements.

It is going to be a complete clusterfuck. And women will be the losers. 🤬🤬

ShazzieB

(16,265 posts)
19. IANAL, but I think you're right.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:52 PM
Jun 2022

I just don't see how any state can possibly have the right to control where its citizens can travel or what they can do when they get there. It just makes no sense whatsoever.

I can remember when Wisconsin, my state's neighbor to the north, had a lower legal drinking age than Illinois for beer and wine. People who were old enough to drink in Wisconsin (but not in Illinois) and lived close to the state line definitely took advantage of that Wisconsin law. There were some negative consequences, like people driving to WI, having a few beers, and then driving home under the influence, but I don't recall anyone trying to pass a law to stop people under 21 from traveling to Wisconsin to drink there legally.

If a woman travels from say, Texas, to Illinois to have a legal abortion, what effect could that possibly have on Texas that would give Texas the standing to stop her from leaving the state? Absolutely nothing! It's absolutely none of the Texas government's damned business! If they start trying to limit people's ability to travel freely, they'll be in court before they know it, and they won't have a leg to stand on.

yellowdogintexas

(22,216 posts)
27. remember, Texas has placed a bounty on anyone who assists
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:36 AM
Jun 2022

the woman which includes driving her across state lines.

All it would take is one person who knows what's up. $10,000 is a very tempting amount

COL Mustard

(5,869 posts)
29. I doubt that will stop them from trying
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:48 AM
Jun 2022

And with this court, who knows what cockamamie ruling they might hand down? Internal passports, anyone?

jstephenj

(51 posts)
22. I live in NY. Do we have such a directive in place for folks in neighboring states like Ohio or...
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:39 PM
Jun 2022

Wisconsin?

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
23. So say I go to Vegas tomorrow
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:12 AM
Jun 2022

and in my state, prostitution is illegal as is soliciting a prostitute.

But in Nevada, totally legal. I get a prostitute and I smoke weed while doing it.

Both illegal in my state, and there's not a darn thing they can do about it.

FBaggins

(26,714 posts)
26. Yes - the declaration is essentially entirely symbolic
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 08:04 AM
Jun 2022

Almost every state that bans abortion does so by criminalizing the clinic’s actions… not the woman’s.

And even if that changes (or perhaps there are exceptions), I doubt that any of them create a claimed ability to extradite a woman from another state. Let alone make conduct in another state a crime in the first.

COL Mustard

(5,869 posts)
30. Unless you have (or need to get) a security clearance
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:49 AM
Jun 2022

Then you better not bank on those things being legal...the Feds take a different view, at least of the weed part.

whopis01

(3,491 posts)
25. In the end it doesn't matter what you or I believe
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 07:51 AM
Jun 2022

What will matter is what the Supreme Court believes.

Don’t get me wrong. I agree with you completely regarding the legality and constitutionally of this.

But in the end it only takes five justices to decide otherwise and allow laws such as this. And three of those people are Trump picks.

c-rational

(2,587 posts)
10. Good for the Governor, but let us remember that six unelected religious zealots, with preordained
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:12 PM
Jun 2022

thoughts and prayers locked and loaded have even more divided an already divided country. Have they no shame. They certainly have no common sense of fair and honest play or work.

dflprincess

(28,071 posts)
11. I just saw Peggy Flanigan at a picnic
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:19 PM
Jun 2022

If I had known about this I would have asked her to thank the governor. No doubt everyone there would have.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
14. I don't think women in red states who are forced birthers understand the level of surveillance
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:25 PM
Jun 2022

they’re about to experience. Every one of these states will eventually have laws allowing them to prosecute women for miscarriages and medication abortions, just as Georgia already does with miscarriages. Considering that doctors do not know what causes miscarriages,,how are women to defend themselves from accusations that they did something to cause a miscarriage?

The only way states will know about miscarriages and medication abortions is if they track every aspect of women’s lives, including Google searches, calls to crisis pregnancy centers (which already illegally turn over private information to state agencies), purchases of home pregnancy tests, travel out of state, and tracking data via cellphone to see where they go.

Their laws will shut down in-state healthcare centers that provide abortion services, but when they see that abortions have increased significantly in nearby states, they will get more and more draconian in their efforts to prevent women from making their own choices. I also expect red states to start hiding or changing information on maternal death rates because they are likely to increase even more in red states as poor women may not be able to travel to another state and may resort to dangerous ways to end a pregnancy.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
21. Sweet Jesus on a Pogo stick
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:23 PM
Jun 2022

Does this remind anyone of America pre-civil war - states sheltering people, fleeing across state lines, state making laws to tamper down other state laws, underground railroads

A nation torn apart for basic human rights 1865- A nation to be torn apart for basic human rights 2022

Fort Sumter - echoes from the past, just waiting for those cannonballs to start flying. Where's our Abe Lincoln?

COL Mustard

(5,869 posts)
28. We really are becoming two Americas
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:45 AM
Jun 2022

One America will have full rights for everyone and the other will have full rights for white, straight men.

bucolic_frolic

(43,030 posts)
32. I'll venture a guess there will be bounties and kidnappings from other states
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jun 2022

Let's not forget the Texas $10k litigation scheme

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
36. Thank you to the
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:19 PM
Jun 2022

Governor of MN. Hopefully we will continue to see mature, common sense actions like this taken for those who suddenly find themselves in the handmaiden states.

Having said that…if we thought there were divisions between the right and the left before we have not seen anything yet. Blue states offering abortions and private entities setting up funding / logistics for people to travel to a Blue state for abortions is going to drive the religious right insane and they are gonna come after Blue states with millions of dollars of Citizen United money to turn the state red by any means necessary. Blue State Dems need to get ready for the coming onslaught of lies and dirty tricks.

This ain’t over by any means. It just gives the right the ability now to focus resources.

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