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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMN's governor just issued an EO prohibiting state agencies from cooperating
with efforts by anti-abortion states to extradite or prosecute their residents traveling to MN for abortions.
The executive order, which immediately went into effect, commands state agencies not to assist other states' attempts to seek civil, criminal or professional sanctions against anyone seeking, providing or obtaining legal abortion services in Minnesota.
Additionally, the governor said he would decline to honor requests to extradite people accused of committing acts related to abortion that are not criminal in Minnesota.
Immediately after the high court's historic ruling, Minnesota became something of an island of abortion rights in the Upper Midwest. Every state that borders Minnesota either had laws to trigger an abortion ban (directly or indirectly) or plans to outlaw or greatly reduce access to the procedure.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Ty for sharing!
TheBlackAdder
(28,163 posts).
Oh, you released your medical information.
If you read the terms, Section Q, subsection c, Part III, you'll see you waive your medical confidentiality to get your driver's license.
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SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Go under assumed name & pay cash.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,082 posts)Girls probably get more alpha male sympathy than women.
vanlassie
(5,663 posts)often they are still girls.
mzmolly
(50,978 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,306 posts)NJCher
(35,617 posts)80+ US Prosecutors Vow Not to Be Part of Criminalizing Abortion Care
icymist
(15,888 posts)repeating (rhyming) itself all over again.
I can see where this goes, but I just can get myself to actually type the name they'd give an act to enforce their laws.
sarge43
(28,940 posts)First thing that came to mind when I read about assisting women seeking abortions in open states with transportation and housing.
LiberalFighter
(50,768 posts)Can be prosecuted by another state.
It might be stressing to local law enforcement the limits of cooperating with authorities in other states. There are idiots and assholes in law enforcement.
OldBaldy1701E
(5,084 posts)As well as almost any level of government up to the state level. The chaos that will ensue from this break in communication will make it seem like we have travelled back to the time when crossing the state line meant freedom. Almost as if it was planned, eh?
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)city and county governments not following the states requirements.
It is going to be a complete clusterfuck. And women will be the losers. 🤬🤬
OldBaldy1701E
(5,084 posts)ShazzieB
(16,265 posts)I just don't see how any state can possibly have the right to control where its citizens can travel or what they can do when they get there. It just makes no sense whatsoever.
I can remember when Wisconsin, my state's neighbor to the north, had a lower legal drinking age than Illinois for beer and wine. People who were old enough to drink in Wisconsin (but not in Illinois) and lived close to the state line definitely took advantage of that Wisconsin law. There were some negative consequences, like people driving to WI, having a few beers, and then driving home under the influence, but I don't recall anyone trying to pass a law to stop people under 21 from traveling to Wisconsin to drink there legally.
If a woman travels from say, Texas, to Illinois to have a legal abortion, what effect could that possibly have on Texas that would give Texas the standing to stop her from leaving the state? Absolutely nothing! It's absolutely none of the Texas government's damned business! If they start trying to limit people's ability to travel freely, they'll be in court before they know it, and they won't have a leg to stand on.
yellowdogintexas
(22,216 posts)the woman which includes driving her across state lines.
All it would take is one person who knows what's up. $10,000 is a very tempting amount
COL Mustard
(5,869 posts)And with this court, who knows what cockamamie ruling they might hand down? Internal passports, anyone?
jstephenj
(51 posts)Wisconsin?
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)and in my state, prostitution is illegal as is soliciting a prostitute.
But in Nevada, totally legal. I get a prostitute and I smoke weed while doing it.
Both illegal in my state, and there's not a darn thing they can do about it.
FBaggins
(26,714 posts)Almost every state that bans abortion does so by criminalizing the clinics actions
not the womans.
And even if that changes (or perhaps there are exceptions), I doubt that any of them create a claimed ability to extradite a woman from another state. Let alone make conduct in another state a crime in the first.
COL Mustard
(5,869 posts)Then you better not bank on those things being legal...the Feds take a different view, at least of the weed part.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)and not criminal liability.
whopis01
(3,491 posts)What will matter is what the Supreme Court believes.
Dont get me wrong. I agree with you completely regarding the legality and constitutionally of this.
But in the end it only takes five justices to decide otherwise and allow laws such as this. And three of those people are Trump picks.
c-rational
(2,587 posts)thoughts and prayers locked and loaded have even more divided an already divided country. Have they no shame. They certainly have no common sense of fair and honest play or work.
dflprincess
(28,071 posts)If I had known about this I would have asked her to thank the governor. No doubt everyone there would have.
Lonestarblue
(9,958 posts)theyre about to experience. Every one of these states will eventually have laws allowing them to prosecute women for miscarriages and medication abortions, just as Georgia already does with miscarriages. Considering that doctors do not know what causes miscarriages,,how are women to defend themselves from accusations that they did something to cause a miscarriage?
The only way states will know about miscarriages and medication abortions is if they track every aspect of womens lives, including Google searches, calls to crisis pregnancy centers (which already illegally turn over private information to state agencies), purchases of home pregnancy tests, travel out of state, and tracking data via cellphone to see where they go.
Their laws will shut down in-state healthcare centers that provide abortion services, but when they see that abortions have increased significantly in nearby states, they will get more and more draconian in their efforts to prevent women from making their own choices. I also expect red states to start hiding or changing information on maternal death rates because they are likely to increase even more in red states as poor women may not be able to travel to another state and may resort to dangerous ways to end a pregnancy.
malthaussen
(17,175 posts)Full-blown Constitutional crisis dead ahead.
-- Mal
Bayard
(22,004 posts)Paladin
(28,243 posts)This kind of action needs to catch on, nation-wide. And damn quickly.
Cha
(296,780 posts)💙💛
Blue Owl
(50,242 posts)Cha
(296,780 posts)I always thought Minnesota would a happening place to live.
💙💛
packman
(16,296 posts)Does this remind anyone of America pre-civil war - states sheltering people, fleeing across state lines, state making laws to tamper down other state laws, underground railroads
A nation torn apart for basic human rights 1865- A nation to be torn apart for basic human rights 2022
Fort Sumter - echoes from the past, just waiting for those cannonballs to start flying. Where's our Abe Lincoln?
MustLoveBeagles
(11,580 posts)COL Mustard
(5,869 posts)One America will have full rights for everyone and the other will have full rights for white, straight men.
bucolic_frolic
(43,030 posts)Let's not forget the Texas $10k litigation scheme
Mad_Machine76
(24,391 posts)It sounds like an enforcement nightmare TBH
spanone
(135,781 posts)Snackshack
(2,541 posts)Governor of MN. Hopefully we will continue to see mature, common sense actions like this taken for those who suddenly find themselves in the handmaiden states.
Having said that
if we thought there were divisions between the right and the left before we have not seen anything yet. Blue states offering abortions and private entities setting up funding / logistics for people to travel to a Blue state for abortions is going to drive the religious right insane and they are gonna come after Blue states with millions of dollars of Citizen United money to turn the state red by any means necessary. Blue State Dems need to get ready for the coming onslaught of lies and dirty tricks.
This aint over by any means. It just gives the right the ability now to focus resources.