Owning the libs? Seriously?

[NanceGreggs]

For those who think "owning the libs" is what Republicans are thinking about right now re overturning Roe, guess again.

Show me the Republican who's willing to watch their twelve-year-old daughter carry her drunken grandfather's baby to term - because it will "own the libs".

Show me the Republican who's happy to see a wife, a sister, a daughter, a granddaughter give birth to a rapist's child - because it will "own the libs".

Show me the Republican family who's perfectly okay with mom dying because she can't terminate an ectopic pregnancy that will kill her - because it will "own the libs".

I understand that Republican voters aren't the sharpest knives in the kitchen drawer - but assuming that "owning the libs" is uppermost in their minds right now is beyond ludicrous.

We here have often discussed how Republicans don't care about an issue until it affects them personally.

Well, guess what? THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS THEM PERSONALLY.

This isn't about prayer in school, or taking a knee on a football field. This is about women - ALL WOMEN, Republican, Democratic, whatever - having their rights taken away.

So let's just STFU about "owning the libs" being a valid point of discussion - because it's not. The only purpose it serves is to undermine the importance of the issue-at-hand, as though women's rights were "just another trivial thing" that will give the GOP the last laugh.

In case some of you have missed it - no one is laughing.

[captain queeg]

1. The RW only laugh at other peoples problems

If and when it actually affects them it’ll be a different story.

[NanceGreggs]

2. It already IS a different story ...

... because it actually affects THEM.

[FBaggins]

4. Whether that's true or not...

… the vast majority of them don’t believe it.

[NanceGreggs]

5. So you don't think ...

... that there are Republican dads that don't think their daughters should give birth to their rapist's baby?

Really?

[FBaggins]

6. Yes really. Pretty ridiculous in fact

I suspect that the overwhelming majority of them would asses the likelihood of their father impregnating their daughter to be “zero”.

The overwhelming majority of abortion opponents think that the issue will never impact them.

[NanceGreggs]

10. And rape will never affect them either?

And BTW, the "overwhelming majority of abortion opponents" is a far cry from an overwhelming majority of voters.

[FBaggins]

33. They certainly don't think so

is a far cry from an overwhelming majority of voters.

Of course. But your thread was about the opponents

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

42. They think only sluts of some kind ever get rape.

And of course they were asking for it, because of how they were dressed. No matter how they were dressed.

[Claire Oh Nette]

55. Court appointed child advocate here...

All kinds of sexual abuse in the foster care system, and mothers do worry about incest. So do fathers in families where that is a thing, and it's a bigger thing than you think. I don't have enough fingers on both hands to count the number of my IRL friends who were raped by their fathers, granddads, or uncles.



All those Christain homeschools full of sexually repressed families? Not a single mandated reporter. Hmmm.

[Claustrum]

22. None of them are accepting the rapist argument.

All I hear from them is some teenager girl who suddenly decided to abort the child at 7-8 months into the pregnancy and how horrible and bad it is. This is coming from my non-religious parents who got brainwashed by right wing media.

[agingdem]

23. Really...

Republican men are misogynists...rape, incest, that's on women..."not my fault you (she) got "knocked up", you fix it"..I witnessed this up close..my pig of a brother-in-law, his pliant wife, and his 13 year old daughter...he's not an anomaly..

[NanceGreggs]

25. Yes, because all Republicans think exactly alike ...

... just as all Democrats think exactly alike.

[agingdem]

30. maybe not but

abortion, contraception..women's health >>women's issues...men will not bleed to death at the end of a coat hanger..it's on women to vote the GOP assholes out and allow Biden to codify abortion rights...

[mitch96]

17. "IS a different story " People of any means will quietly get their abortions and any other "misstep"

of justice. When I was in high school girls of family's with any kind of money got the abortion done quietly and preformed by a doctor. The term and buzz word was she got a "D&C" and it also worked as an abortion proceedure.
Kids busted for pot charges got them quietly let go when greasing the right political palms. Military age guys got deferments or cush non combative military assignments like Bush and TFG.
This will effect the poor and people without the means of greasing the wheels.
I remember in high school (1960's) donating cash to a lower middle class girl to go to a large city and get an AB by a doctor when non in town were available.
An early form of a goFundme. YMMV
m

[Cyrano]

3. I'm guessing that abortions will be available to "the right people" in

red states. Of course, the unwashed masses will never know about it. Republican cruelty is surpassed only by their hypocrisy.

[Farmer-Rick]

34. Yup, yup, yup

The Waltons with their Walmart stores have set up their abortion clinics already. They call them hospitals.

The filthy rich never suffer the consequences of their own actions. The Waltons are the money behind the forced birthers. And obviously they spent their money....errrr your money ....well.

[betsuni]

7. I think they'll get used to it and still blame anyone else but Republicans.

[NanceGreggs]

24. Don't know about you ...

... but I don't see a lot of women simply "getting used to" having possession of/control over their own uterus being taken away.

Oh, except the ones who will gladly do so in order to "own the libs".

[Ferrets are Cool]

8. They were willing to die from Covid (not getting a vaccine shot) to own the libs.

[NanceGreggs]

13. You're really equating ...

... not getting a vaccine to allowing your underaged daughter to give birth to her rapist's child?

Seriously?

[Ferrets are Cool]

16. If you really think that, then I feel badly for you

Stop attempting to shame me. I do NOT appreciate it. You know, I really admire you and your work here. I always have, but you are NOT more special than anyone else here. So stop withe the attempted shaming. If you want to converse and share ideas, great, but enough please.

[NanceGreggs]

18. I didn't try to "shame" you.

And if you think I did, maybe the problem is yours, not mine.

[Ferrets are Cool]

19. The fact that you don't see it is proof enough.

[NanceGreggs]

21. Yeah, okay - whatever.

IOW, what you're saying is "the fact that you don't agree with me is proof that you're wrong."

[Hugin]

15. I came back to this thread to bring up this very point...

There was a time when I would’ve agreed with NG.

Based on what I have personally witnessed over the last few years, I am not sure anymore.

I saw multiple instances of what has become a death cult member continue to “own the libs” while someone in their family from one of the groups identified or they themselves were drowned in their own fluids. Occasionally multiple times per family.

I finally had to stop following these tragedies as my own acute sense of schadenfreude became overwhelmed.

What is different about abortion when it will never personally effect the largest demographic (white males) of the cult?

[Aristus]

20. I agree.

I saw several news reports at the height of COVID in which an anti-masker, anti-vaxxer COVID denier died of COVID, and the family begged the attending doctor not to put COVID-19 as the cause of death.

They were THAT terrified of admitting they were wrong and science (“liberals”) was right.

[Hugin]

28. As a close friend of mine used to regularly lament...

How do you reason with someone who believes that every scrap of foulness they have ever rendered will be forgiven if they accept Jesus in their last conscious moments.

[kiri]

46. abortion to hide sexual affair

Women get abortions for many reasons. Men who get them pregnant support/force/encourage/discourage the woman for/from having an abortion also have many motives.

One barely mentioned is hiding a sexual affair. A slightly educated estimate suggests that maybe 10%-20% of all abortions are done because the woman gets pregnant from a paramour outside her marriage or boyfriend relationship. Obviously good statistics are hard to come by.

Pregnancy from an affair is more likely due to the clandestine, often hurried, and super-passionate nature of affairs. Birth control is unlikely uppermost.

But nothing can be more embarrassing or shameful to be caught with another man's baby. The father also has worries about paying child support and/or getting divorced. The abortion option is best.

[Hugin]

50. Sadly though it is not the only option...

In these situations, if abortion isn’t readily available and the male is of a higher social caste (which is usually the case) The pregnant female will be disappeared and rarely spoken of again.

This is where the republicans would like to be again. They feel entitled to it, in fact.

[Cosmocat]

9. Not sure of your point

Whether it is "a valid point of discussion" or not isn't relevant.

It IS how they think.

You know this because they directly say it routinely, and it is how they act.

They don't think these things you note will happen to them.
To some, if they do, they will be good little germans and bite the bullet.
To some, if they do, they believe because they are privileged, they will be except from them.
To some, if they do, they don't care, cause ... they are owning the libs.

These are the same people who have lose their minds and storm school board meetings because of mask mandates and CRT, while not saying a peep about our scourge of mass school shootings.

Proof that they live in an alternative reality where the actual lives of their children don't mean a thing cause, guns, but even more so because WE make a big deal out of it.

Honestly, if Dems were capable of party discipline and strategic thinking they would vociferously support the the things they fight against, cause Rs would reflexively turn around and support them.

That is what the party is now, a sick cult with a singular focus to beat the libs.

[NanceGreggs]

14. "This is how THEY think" ...

... is right up there with "Democrats kill babies and drink their blood".

[Cosmocat]

32. Except

This is how they think, which includes the dem drinking baby blood thing.

Your on tilt

Might want to take a break.

[AleksS]

49. "You know this because they directly say it routinely, "

This is what I think the OP is missing.

Right wingers are TELLING US they’re pumped about “owning the libs.”

They don’t think about or believe that abortions are done by anyone except “bad people” and obviously will never ever ever affect them.

Now, when their mistress gets pregnant or their daughter gets raped it’ll be a very different story and they’ll either believe themselves to be an exception (usually how the GOP double standard works) or do some self reflection and change their position (how it sometimes but far too rarely happens).

Double standards, and the “I got mine so screw everyone else” are so SOP for the GOP by now that there’s just no connection between potential bad things happening to them in the future and yes, “owning the lives” in the present.

[Mr. Ected]

11. The Republicans are all about platitudes, and "saving babies" has been an enduring one

Now that they've got their victory, the platitude becomes reality and that reality is ready to bite every single woman in the ass, theirs included.

You're damned right, Nance. There are as many unwanted pregnancies among right wing wives, daughters and friends as among the left leaning, but until now they were able to quietly play the hypocrite. Play time is over.

[Beastly Boy]

12. A very important point. Republicans are not as unanimous or cartoonish as we make them out to be.

The abolition of Roe by SCOTUS is an opportunity to make inroads into their ranks. They may not surrender their guns tomorrow and storm the Capitol to demand Medicare fir All, but SOME of them may possess enough common sense to join the Democrats in pushing for laws to make reproductive choice legal in the US.

This is an American issue, and it doesn't have to be a partisan issue. It's an opportunity to make inroads in the composition of government in the US - an indispensable first step to getting anything accomplished. It is certainly worth a try. At the very least, it may wake some Republicans up to the dangers of unanimously marching to their party's orders despite their self-interest.

[mcar]

26. The Republicans in charge

know that their womenfolk can get an abortion any time they want it because they have the means to travel.

They don't give a flying fck about the "poors," and in fact, want more white babies to grow up uneducated enough to keep voting for them.

[brooklynite]

27. "THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS THEM PERSONALLY. "

No its not.

There's a distinction that I make in politics between "many" and "most".

Why do Republican voters not support increasing the minimum wage? Because while MANY people need the increase, MOST are being paid more already.

Why do Republican voters not support improving voter access? Because while MANY people have problems voting, MOST do not.

Why will Republican voters not support reproductive rights? Because while MANY will need them, MOST will not.

MOST women don't get abortions. MOST women don't reach the point where they NEED to think about getting an abortion. Therefore, its not an issue that will affect most of them personally.

I would argue that many more of them knew someone who was gay and "regular" than knew someone who eventually needed the right to an abortion.

[betsuni]

29. +1

[Beastly Boy]

31. We don't need MOST

In an essentially 50-50 political environment, MANY may be enough to affect outcomes. Not a guarantee, but not a dead end either.

[onecaliberal]

35. They let their own family members die of COVID. They would sell their own mother or daughters for

Personal gain.

[betsuni]

38. +1

[Emile]

40. +1

[nini]

36. These are the same people who live in squalor and vote against their best interests.

They will indeed revel in owning the Libs.

A lot of the things we fight for affect them personally and yet they continue to mock liberals all in the name of their superior morality based on their bibles and their ignorance. They enjoy the hell out of this.

When they have to deal with their own daughters they still won’t put the blame where it belongs.

[gab13by13]

37. "owning the Libs" is really demonizing all Democrats,

demonizing anyone who disagrees with the Magats.

There may very well be an exception for the abortion issue for some Magats, and so I agree with Nance for the most part.

For all other issues it is about demonizing Democrats. I asked a hard core Trumper who he was going to vote for, the Muslim from New Jersey, or the Harley Rider? (He used to ride a Harley) He stammered, "when?" I said in November, Fetterman or Oz? He said, I'm not voting for Fetterman and so I asked him why, it was because he is a Democrat. So in this case, my Magat buddy, who is hard core racist, bigot, will overlook Oz being a Muslim to vote against Fetterman. Those are the Magats who I live amongst.

[DBoon]

39. They were abusing nurses while being intubated for Covid ...

... in preparation for their own inevitable death

If they are OK with 1 million people suffocating to death, they will not care about losing a loved one

They would literally die before changing their beliefs. They have already proven it

[BlackSkimmer]

51. Patients are sedated for intubations.

So that seems unlikely.

[DBoon]

52. They were screaming at the nurses while the sedative was being administered

This has been well documented many times. They are in denial right up to the end, abusing the ones who are trying to save their lives.

Link to tweet

?lang=bg

I can come up with more references if you wish

on edit: more references
https://www.theroot.com/they-stop-yelling-at-you-when-they-get-intubated-south-1845691330
https://www.timesleader.com/opinion/op-ed/1508925/as-theyre-being-intubated-they-still-dont-believe-it-the-covid-denial-wont-die

[Lucky Luciano]

41. You make the strong assumption that republican cockroaches...

…have a shred of decency.

[Glaisne]

43. It's all about the hypocrisy.

It's all about power and rule. Republicans with means and power in your examples will get the abortion services the want while continuing to condemn abortion and praise the SCOTUS decision in public. They don't give a damn about other people who will be harmed by this decision. Only thing that matters to them is their interests, power, and privilege.

[bucolic_frolic]

44. The more pain and fear they inflict on people, the more those people seek religion

They are trying to perpetuate the paranoid power trip in their minds.

[FakeNoose]

45. My mother had a great saying for what the Repukes just did

The Repukes are "cutting off their nose to spite their face." IOW they're doing something stupid that will backfire on everyone, because they have to get paybacks no matter what.

[maxrandb]

47. Ok, let's say it's 35% of Retrumplicans where it is all about "cruelty" and "owning the libs"

35% of Retrumplicans who support "owning the libs" but only because it results in tax-cuts for the wealthy, and 30% of Retrumplicans who support "owning the libs" as long as they don't have to send their children to school with brown, or gay people.

Seems you're making a distinction without a difference. It all boils down to cruelty, with the goal of no one telling them what to do, while being empowered to tell everyone else what to do.

And there are quite a lot of Retrumplicans that don't give one Fuck about your wife, mother, daughter, or sister, because if their wife, mother, daughter, or sister finds herself needing a safe abortion, they have the means to access one

We will see in November, but...and this is a sorry thing to say about our families, friends and neighbors...I am convinced that a majority of Americans wouldn't give one fuck if their children were being murdered in the streets if gas was $2 a gallon

I have kind of felt that way since dozens of 5 and 6 year old boys and girls had their torsos blown in half by military grade weapons of war in school, and we did NOTHING

I am extremely close to saying, about the country I loved and served for 30 years; "fuck it, better to burn it to the fucking ground and start from scratch.

Edited to add: At one point, I might have agreed with you, but then they fell in love with Donnie Dipshit. Evil people support evil, and that fuckstick was, and is PURE FUCKING EVIL

[plimsoll]

48. None of us are laughing.

But that doesn't mean the RW doesn't think they owned the libs on this issue. Until the consequences are felt personally they're not going to see the problems with this ruling. It's not about being smart or stupid, it's about evaluating the long term consequences of decisions and empathy. If the right possess empathy it's in quantities that can't be observed by human beings, and we know they're not very good at long term thinking.

The right is doing a happy dance right now because we're upset by this and a whole bunch of other really bad decisions made by the Thomas court. But I remain skeptical if even a direct loss will change the minds of a non-trivial portion of the GOP base. That non-trivial portion of the GOP is radical and violent, and an even bigger portion of the right are either useful idiots or afraid.

What we need to do is figure out how to stop the feud within our coalition. There's enough blame to go around, maybe if everyone accepted that we all played a part in this monstrous failure we could start to rebuild an alliance to overcome these travesties of justice.

[spanone]

53. K&R

[Lady Freedom Returns]

54. Remember...

They voted for Trump. Trump said on national television during the debate with Clinton that he would appoint justices that would overturn Row v Wade. He did. Many of them voted for him again in 2020.

The justices he appointed did what they were appointed to do.

And yeah, there were those that didn't vote for Trump a second time, but the damage was done.

You also have a lot of confidence that there are people not out there that wouldn't blame their daughter's for getting raped and not throw said daughter out on the streets because she got pregnant.

Christian Conservatives are very controlling of the females of their families. They control what they wear and what they do. They think if the woman was following the family rules that they would never get pregnant before marriage. And they look at something like that as if the woman that gets pregnant liked what happened to her.

They have very medieval views. And they , the Christian Conservatives have been getting a grip on our government.

[Diablo del sol]

56. Someone isn't paying attention

But it is a discussion board so type away.

As for the STFU comment, no fucking way.

There is a thread about Thomas saying he would spend 43 years on the Court as payback to the libs. As mentioned above, COVID denial was rampant. Happened in my extended family.

“Christians” voting for tRump.

They are ignorant hate filled people.

They can’t be reasoned with, we are moving to beat down phase.

Again type away, but don’t ever fucking tell us to STFU.