Here's the short list of why this and why now

[musette_sf]

From an interactive article in the WaPo:

Child-free women of childbearing age:
2020 - 52%
1970 - 21%

Women of childbearing age with college degrees:
2020 - 41%
1970 - 11%

Women of childbearing age without paid employment:
2020 - 27%
1970 - 55%

Women of childbearing age in management jobs:
2020 - 45%
1970 - 17%

Women of childbearing age as family breadwinners:
2020 - 27%
1970 - 8%

[Pete Ross Junior]

1. And the horrible thing is ...

The RW will quote those same stats in an attempt to "prove" women should be breeding more.

[Pacifist Patriot]

2. I was just thinking that if my grandparents were alive...

Those stats would horrify them, not please them.

[Irish_Dem]

3. My grandparents wanted girls to get an education.

They came to this country for a better life for their children and grandchildren.
Looks like their dream for us is crashing.

[demigoddess]

35. my grandfather,too. Sent a few daughters to school to be nurses. ONe helped get rid of TB.

My mother was supposed to train for a good job but turned down the opportunity.

[Irish_Dem]

36. Yes my mother and her sister were sent to nursing school.

They both had good jobs then.

[thesquanderer]

14. Yes, and these are not all necessarily good things.

Even from a progressive perspective, women having the ability to get better jobs and education is great, but the fact that the modern economy means they are more likely to NEED to work is certainly more questionable as an individual OR societal benefit. And that need to work is presumably a factor in their having fewer children (and having less time available to spend time with what children they do have).

[Irish_Dem]

4. Those numbers will dramatically change. Drop in education, paid employment, higher level jobs.

[Freddie]

5. Because they're threatened by smart, powerful women

It’s the one thing they can’t abide, and this is their way of making sure a women can’t succeed.

[Magoo48]

6. Yup, strong, educated, critically-thinking women scare the shit out of patriarchal/authoritarian,

Christofascist plodders.

[ariadne0614]

9. The influx of smart women with a place at the decision-making table has rocked their boat.

The idea of relinquishing power over in favor of power with is an existential threat to their “precious”—an obsolete definition of “manhood.” For one thing, having to deal with perspectives that force them to consider the impact of their decisions on future generations amounts to emotional/intellectual castration.

It should go without saying that I’m not talking about the growing number of men who have thrown off the yoke and stepped into the light. Goddess help us if too many of them decide to sit this out on the back benches. We need every knight at the Round Table now!

[soldierant]

39. I'm going to play devil's advocate here and suggest

that their fear is justified.

If they actually had to complete on alevel playing ground with smart, powerful women, they'd be crushed by their own incompetence.

(similar tom the meme "If you think immigrants are all rapists and drug dealers who are going to take your job, what exactly do you do for a living?&quot

[True Blue American]

46. Agree 100%!

[meadowlander]

48. And a good percentage of them know

the only way they'll ever get a woman to sleep with them more than once is to find some way to make her desperate and economically dependent on them for life at the first possible opportunity.

Sorry, Republicans. Becky Sue from high school probably still isn't going to marry you even if you knock her up when you date rape her. Have you tried just being a less repulsive human being?

[Wounded Bear]

7. The RW attempt to turn back history is not new...

They've tried it before, and met with some short term success, but time and tide cannot be turned.

[Cosmocat]

8. This isn't a one off.

nm

[plimsoll]

12. Canute was trying to point out the limits of his authority.

This is a deliberate misinterpretation to provide anti-Scandinavian propaganda following the Norman conquest.

[malthaussen]

24. This is true. But oddly, it doesn't matter.

The anti-Scandinavian propaganda part of the story is obsolete, as I doubt one person in ten these days even knows Canute was not English. The lesson, however, is the same whether he was a blockhead trying to stop the tide, or an enlightened king trying to show blockheads the limits of his authority: the King can't stop the tide.

-- Mal

[plimsoll]

26. That's true.

And the obsoleteness of the anti-Scandinavian bit is not so obsolete that I don't remember when "big and dumb" where perfectly acceptable prefixes for Swede. Since we're headed back to open bigotry I'd like to remind everyone who isn't Southern White that immigrants of all stripes were treated like crap in this country until they anglicized themselves.

[malthaussen]

30. No argument there.

There's a cartoon by somebody-or-other that is a reductio ad absurdum of the "othering" of people: two soldiers in a watchtower, one says to the other "We're the only two real Americans left in the world. And I ain't so sure about you."

-- Mal

[Lonestarblue]

10. When I finished college way back in the dark ages, women were rarely hired even for

training positions for management jobs. I was flatly told in job interviews that only men were hired for such positions because women would just get pregnant and leave. Some men still believe that, but now it will get worse. Our discrimination laws do not prevent the preferences for hiring men over women, whites over blacks or brown. Major corporations have diversity policies that they generally follow, but small and medium sized businesses usually do not. I personally know some small business owners who refuse to hire a black person.

When birth control also is outlawed, many business hiring managers will be looking at ways to avoid hiring women of reproductive age or promoting them to jobs that prepare them for higher-level jobs because they know the cost of investing in women could be lost when they’re forced to stay home to raise children. Th cost of day care might be possible for one or two children,,but few families can afford day care for four or five children, or even more.

The economic cost to women will be devastating. The cost of child care will be prohibitive for some women, forcing them out of paid employment and reducing their financial safety. Many women will not receive promotions with higher pay because companies will fear their training will be a sunk cost if they have to leave to take care of children.

What is also likely to happen is that more young women will have their tubes tied to avoid pregnancy, thus forgoing future motherhood because they can’t access birth control. That alone will start defeating the Republican goal of forced birth because white women are more likely to do this for economic and job promotion reasons if they do not want children, yet it’s more white babies Republicans want.

Every major decision like this has unintended consequences, and I think Republicans have let an uncontrollable genie out of the bottle. They may soon wish they hadn’t.

[BonnieJW]

16. When I was newly married in the early 70s

We became friends with a young couple in the apartment across the hall. They had just had a baby boy. We found out she was in the middle of a lawsuit against the State of Virginia because she had been an elementary school teacher and got fired when she got pregnant. Her name is Susan Cohen and the case went all the way to the Supreme Court. It's because of her that teachers can work all the way until they give birth or until they choose to take maternity leave.

[spooky3]

19. Wow. Good on her for her persistence and courage.

How many lives has she affected?

[NJCher]

31. Bravo Susan Cohen!

On another topic, this statistical portrait paints a picture of women who have the monetary resources to fly wherever is convenient for an abortion. I don't think this court decision is going to affect them much.

Who it will affect is lower income women. While this comparison is very interesting, our efforts should be toward raising funds so these women can have an abortion in another state if they want one.

Money, we just need lots of money.

[soldierant]

40. Also, if it's possible (they aren't for everyone)

get a medication abortion wherever they are.

[erronis]

17. You raise several good points. But I don't think the repuglicons care about unintended consequences.

They are in it to win this battle no matter who it hurts. When the war starts to turn against them, they'll start another battle and try to win that one.

Rich and privileged women will always have ways to deal with unwanted pregnancies, no matter what the states or SCOTUS says.

[True Blue American]

47. From what I am seeing

In my state women are not going to take it. Protests are all over with Democrats speaking at the rallies. If all these women vote, men are at the rallies too. This affects them.

With Alito quoting a witch killing Jurist and Thomas promising an all out war on every one they have exposed themselves. Look for the Democrats to go after Ginni and connect many of her actions to her husband.

Thomas looked smarter when he kept his mouth shut.

[ShazamIam]

11. And this reason:, "historic victory for white life," according to Rep'st Mary Miller (R) from

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/after-victory-for-white-life-comment-gop-campaign-says-rep-misread/ar-AAYSkGQ?ocid=EMMX&cvid=5905e43f1d1e4791857591c08143deb5

[Lonestarblue]

32. The anti-abortion movement has its roots in bth misogyny and white supremacy.

Abortion was practiced and legal in the US until the mid-1800s, but with women making demands to vote and to have access to birth control, men feared the loss of male dominance as well as fewer white babies being born. Wealthier white women used abortion to avoid having very large families. I have seen much of this history in different publications. The role of male doctors who wished to protect their own income and expand it by forcing midwives and other women’s healthcare providers out of business resulted in their creation of the AMA with the goal of criminalizing abortion so the midwives would have no patients and be forced to stop practicing.

“In fact, the reason why abortion was initially criminalized was largely due to an effort to maintain the patriarchal structure of American civil society. Firstly, within the home, where movements for suffrage and birth control threatened male dominance. Secondly, within the professional sector where midwives threatened the sole authority of male doctor's over their medical realm.

A dominant force within this campaign was doctor Horatio Storer, a Harvard Medical School graduate, and OBGYN who adamantly opposed abortion. During this time period, women were requesting acceptance into Harvard medical school, many of whom had career goals related to gynecology. In response, Storer urged the American Medical Association to form Committee on Criminal Abortion. …

Furthermore, it would be irresponsible not to emphasize the criminalization of abortion as a white supremacist tactic in the context of the United States eugenics movement. Eugenics is defined as the science of "improving" a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of "desirable" heritable characteristics. It has deep historical roots in promoting racial injustice and is most popularly discussed in the context of the terrors of Nazi Germany. However, America has a dark history of eugenics which many refuse to acknowledge.“

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/anti-abortion-movement

[ymetca]

42. The concocting of the "Tale of the White Race"

was always nonsense, always a class war, and always built upon mass subjugation through force.

My ancestors were once called the "Black Irish", but somehow now my kids are magically "white". I suppose this is only because one of my great great grandfathers helped burn down Atlanta... so that got us "in"? Whew! O, the luck of the Irish!

Undergirding the anti-abortionist mind is the triggering of "tribal" racism. But undergirding that is the social propaganda of classism. Rich fucks always do this shit. They can't help it. Only today they use Madison Avenue advertising as their propaganda machine instead of just blasting bullhorns on AM radio.

But even by any eugenicist "logic", it inevitably culminates in the House of Hapsburg, or worse, Buchenwald.

[rubbersole]

13. And in 1970 - how many women on the SC.

The judiciary in general. Not many.

[nowforever]

15. The fight

Are today's young women ready to fight like hell. The men should be fighting too. If I was a young woman then sex would always be more risky...so guess who"s getting less sex and intimacy...men and women. Why are men so frightened of women they feel the need to control them. This generation of young men really need to enter this fight because its the only right thing to do. This court is trying to turn this nation back to 1950...and that's their fix. Insecure and angry people are always looking to control others since they are not capable of ever controlling their own lives. All 6 republican members of this court are personality disordered. Their mental inadequacies are playing out in every recent major decision. I see it now.... a shotgun in every church pew and a dunking pool out back for the sinners...and D. T. dancing naked in the back room with 12 year old choir girls...the perfect GOP 🌎.

[calimary]

18. Your description sounds like Nightmare World to me.

Founding date: Friday, June 24, 2022.

[dlk]

20. Republicans have a long history of killing progress

This government takeover of women’s bodies is only their latest effort.

[hvn_nbr_2]

21. On statistics and percentages

I'm frequently frustrated by presentations of statistics involving percentages that don't make clear just what is a percentage of what. This is a case in point.

Take this statistic from the OP:
Women of childbearing age in management jobs:
2020 - 45%
1970 - 17%

My interpretation of this statistic, filling in missing verbs and such to make an actual statement would be this: In 2020, 45% of women of childbearing age worked in management jobs. (Note that this seems highly unlikely so it is highly likely that my interpretation of the statistic is incorrect, but I can't think of any other possibilities for how to interpret it.)

Also take this statistic from the OP:
Women of childbearing age without paid employment:
2020 - 27%
1970 - 55%
My interpretation of this one is that in 2020, 27% of women of childbearing age had no paid employment.

Combining those two, we can conclude that 45% + 27% (=72%) of women of childbearing age were either managers or not employed in 2020. That leaves only 28% of women of childbearing age to be employed in non-management positions. Thus, many more women are employed as managers than are employed as non-managers, and I just don't believe that.

Something needs to be clarified about these statistics.

[musette_sf]

23. They're high level numbers

from a WaPo interactive article. Just reporting numbers, not crunching them.

[hvn_nbr_2]

27. The point is: I can't tell what the numbers mean.

It doesn't matter that they're "high level" numbers (whatever that means). Seriously, here is a "report" of some numbers: 40% 33% 81% 17%. But they don't mean anything without some clear explanation of what they are.

The only explanation that I can think of for what the statistics in the OP might mean just doesn't seem even remotely plausible.

[malthaussen]

28. Another interpretation could be:

People in management positions who are women of childbearing age: 45%
People who are unemployed who are women of childbearing age: 27%

That's how I immediately interpreted them, although I thought 45% sounded 'way too high (but what's the definition here of "management position?" ).

I agree, the numbers need to be better explained to have any significance.

-- Mal

[hvn_nbr_2]

29. Ah. That's a reasonable interpretation.

Like you, I think it sounds too high but it is at least close to the realm of plausibility.

[RestoreAmerica2020]

22. Women are now the majority in U.S. @51.1 % have been since 2013 and increasing--men

..fear they will be inutil thus the war on women, and other groups. They fear--what's that mantra they chant, " _____ will not replace us!" Blank can be filled with Women, Blacks, Hispanics, First Nations Dine, Asians, Jews, Muslims any and all non Christians.

Damn must be hell living in fear that they will be replaced by the other bc they are clamoring,causing havoc at every turn to return us to the place where the other were subservient--news flash, we're not going back!

In the United States, the resident population was estimated to be around 330 million in 2020. The gender distribution of the nation has remained steady for several years, with women accounting for approximately 51.1 percent of the population since 2013.Sep 10, 2021
https://www.statista.com › statistics
US population by gender 2010-2024 - Statista

[musette_sf]

25. It's the mediocre and MAGAts who hate us

[Unwind Your Mind]

33. Ok I'm stealing that

Thanks 😊

[liberalla]

34. Wow, those are some compelling numbers... they show the true value in *planning* when

and if you will have children!
Bookmarking. Thank you.

[sinkingfeeling]

37. Women got uppity.

[JI7]

38. Becsuse they got the numbers on the court now

[IronLionZion]

41. Women would hold more political influence now

and should eventually elect enough Dems to codify choice into law. I'm hoping this backfires badly against the GOP for generations to come.

[Tumbulu]

43. Oh me too- definitely my hope!

We need to push for ten more Democratic Senators and a more Democratic House.

Not just two more.

[Justice matters.]

44. This planet needs less people.

Infinite yearly growth is not realistic.

[niyad]

45. KNR and bookmarking. For later.