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Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:22 AM

Who knew that the right had these secret laws already in place on the exact day roevwade overturned?

Why didn't we have some laws in place ready to go as well????

I feel totally unprepared. They are already miles ahead it seems. I mean good lord it's already banned in some places!

Seems like we should have had Federal laws in place years ago ready for this day.

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Reply Who knew that the right had these secret laws already in place on the exact day roevwade overturned? (Original post)
fescuerescue Jun 26 OP
JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 26 #1
Chin music Jun 26 #10
fescuerescue Jun 26 #21
gldstwmn Jun 26 #28
Autumn Jun 26 #2
MerryHolidays Jun 26 #3
Amishman Jun 26 #31
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 26 #4
jimfields33 Jun 26 #5
Claustrum Jun 26 #6
Solly Mack Jun 26 #7
ruet Jun 26 #8
gldstwmn Jun 26 #29
ruet Jun 27 #41
Novara Jun 26 #9
lapfog_1 Jun 26 #11
mucifer Jun 26 #12
gldstwmn Jun 26 #30
Ocelot II Jun 26 #13
FBaggins Jun 27 #34
haele Jun 26 #14
Effete Snob Jun 26 #15
Hortensis Jun 26 #16
fescuerescue Jun 26 #25
Hortensis Jun 26 #26
yardwork Jun 26 #17
MineralMan Jun 26 #18
PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 26 #19
fescuerescue Jun 26 #24
onenote Jun 27 #38
fescuerescue Jun 27 #39
W_HAMILTON Jun 27 #50
fescuerescue Jun 29 #51
brush Jun 26 #20
fescuerescue Jun 26 #23
fescuerescue Jun 26 #22
Shrek Jun 27 #35
gldstwmn Jun 26 #27
Retrograde Jun 26 #32
Voltaire2 Jun 27 #33
betsuni Jun 27 #36
fescuerescue Jun 27 #37
onenote Jun 27 #40
betsuni Jun 27 #42
fescuerescue Jun 27 #43
betsuni Jun 27 #44
fescuerescue Jun 27 #45
betsuni Jun 27 #46
Mad_Machine76 Jun 29 #52
inthewind21 Jun 27 #47
Zeitghost Jun 27 #48
W_HAMILTON Jun 27 #49

Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:24 AM

1. It was certainly well-known and publicized in Michigan.

We have seen this tsunami coming for months. Much thanks to Gov Whitmer.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:42 PM

21. Guess we should have passed some trigger laws outselvrsz

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:19 PM

28. We did.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:24 AM

2. We knew it was coming when boof and coneydog were put in . But it was not a priority.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:24 AM

3. Pretty much everyone, I thought. The "trigger laws" have been discussed a lot in recent days

especially after the leak of the Dobbs draft decision.

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Response to MerryHolidays (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:52 PM

31. This, I remember them being mentioned in pretty much every Roe discussion over the years

I'm surprised how many people are surprised

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:25 AM

4. They weren't secret laws; they were pretty well known.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:26 AM

5. It really doesn't go into affect until 30 days after the released decision

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:26 AM

6. Federal laws are much tougher to pass comparing to states laws, especially when you are talking

about deep red/blue states. When you get a majority in state, you can pass any law in that state. In the past 10-20 years, republican took the "I will not work with democrats in any circumstances" stance and getting a bi-partisan bill passed in congress is near impossible.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:26 AM

7. Trigger laws have been discussed for decades.

It was known.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:26 AM

8. Everyone?



What "what if" laws would you like to have seen enacted by Democrats?



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Response to ruet (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:20 PM

29. We passed them but there was not as much fanfare.

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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:39 AM

41. SOP. -NT-

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:26 AM

9. These trigger laws were in the news for months.

If you didn't know about them it's because you weren't paying attention. They've been in the news since the draft opinion leaked, even earlier, because the writing was on the wall when the SCOTUS took this case.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:30 AM

11. If there had been any federal law providing nation wide access to abortion

or even birth control... the SCOTUS would have simply added to the decision that such laws are unconstitutional.

SCOTUS decided that un-enumerated right to privacy does not exist (at least in the case for abortion, Thomas suggests it doesn't exist for things like contraception and same sex marriage, although he didn't mention "Loving v. Virginia"

Do not pin your hopes that Roe can be restored via federal legislation (even should somehow we get such a law passed in the Senate).

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:31 AM

12. We did here in Illinois thanks to a democratic supermajority and dem Governor

Pritzker signed into law in 2019 the Reproductive Health Act, which expands abortion rights across the state.

More specifically, the legislation rescinds prohibitions on some late-term abortions and 45-year-old criminal restraints such as criminal penalties for doctors performing abortions -- all measures whose enforcement had been prohibited by court orders. Sponsors of the Reproductive Health Act warned at the time that its protections would be necessary should the landmark Roe v. Wade decision be overturned.

Pritzker also repealed the Parental Notification Act in 2021, allowing pregnant minors to choose whether or not a legal guardian or family member is involved in their decision. Supports of the move said the repeal "protected the most vulnerable youth - such as victims of rape, incest, and domestic abuse – from being compelled to notify their abusers."

Following the latest news of the SCOTUS decision, Pritzker tweeted, "we will fight back."He also called for a special session for reproductive health rights.


https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/is-abortion-legal-in-illinois-here-are-the-abortion-laws-in-place/2865130/

Politicians in a lot of blue states have been preparing for this.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:21 PM

30. IL is lucky. They have a good governor.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:32 AM

13. Everybody knew; it's been well-publicized for a long time.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 06:50 AM

34. The universe wasn't created six thousand years ago

It happened sometime in the late 1960s.

I don’t remember anything before that

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:43 AM

14. And Blue states had sanctuary laws waiting for the moment, too.

As was pointed out before, anything the Feds could have setup up was dependent on the Senate and nuking the filibuster.
There are too many senators who don't really care or with captured constituents that have and will kill any abortion rights protection on the Federal Level -and have been since Newt "Hypocrisy is my Middle Name" Gingrich and the "Moral Minority" took over the GOP and started their Power at any cost campaign.
2016 was the final stand for Roe. The GOP were just waiting either for Trump's second term cementing the fall of Democracy or to be able to blame the Democrats for it's undoing.

Haele

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:43 AM

15. Who knew? Anyone who was paying attention


There was nothing secret about it.

Just because you had not heard of something doesn’t mean it was “secret”. This was extremely well known for a long time.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:48 AM

16. Not secret, bragged about and cheered in their states, discussed in media.

Fescuerescue, we had Roe in place as a federal law. That just changed, but 16 states have laws in place specifically protecting the right to abortion. (Probably 23 others have or will soon make it illegal.) Leaving 11 states.

But, you probably mean federal laws. So why not go learn about the federal laws Biden's talking about when he says he has means to mitigate the effects of repealing Roe? AND the federal laws the DoJ promises to use to fight for the rights of women and in support of its statement that the abortion pill is legal. In the process,
you'll undoubtedly learn about more federal laws in place and ready to use.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:47 PM

25. That seems like a mistake in hindsight.

“ Fescuerescue, we had Roe in place as a federal law”

We need to get congress to start thinking about a federal law

I’m glad Biden is talking about it now.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:03 PM

26. Well, it held for 50 years and its loss grieved now.

Why not read about what many people are doing many places? You'll feel better about the professionals who've always been committed to protecting and advancing our rights. They've been on it, and are.

I don't know how you'll feel about the electorate if you look that direction; in a real sense, as a whole we got what we deserved and effectively asked for, including many millions who see themselves as civil rights supporters but neglected to walk the walk (i.e., vote every couple years, taking a little care not to take themselves out in the process).

Itm, abortion's still legal in many states.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:50 AM

17. Didn't you know? It's been well-publicized.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:51 AM

18. Pretty much everyone here knew about those "trigger" laws.

It has been a topic of discussion for some time.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 11:39 AM

19. How in the world did you miss knowing about them?

They've been widely discussed here and elsewhere.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:46 PM

24. I'm wondering how law makers missed doing the same.

For instance - a federal law allow abortion in the event that roe v wade is ever struck down.

That would be really nice right now.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:29 AM

38. How would that have gotten passed with the filibuster in place

and no urgency to override the filibuster as long as Roe was in place?

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Response to onenote (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:31 AM

39. Well if there was no good time to do in the last 50 years

I guess we are just screwed.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:02 PM

50. Voting for Hillary in 2016 would have been nicer...

...and actually prevented all of this.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 02:21 PM

51. Yup. or Gore, Kerry, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter,

Or heck Mcgovern.


This nation has made some errors.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 11:40 AM

20. Trigger laws? IMO that phrase means little now that...

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the American Taliban 6 have handed down their ruling.

SCOTUS decisions are the law of the land and Dobbs v Jackson is all the trigger the Taliban followers were waiting for.

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Response to brush (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:45 PM

23. Trigger laws are laws based on the existence of other laws

And take effect if those other laws changed.

Seems the right had them. But just the right.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:44 PM

22. Sounds maybe we should have passed a few trigger laws out selves.

Given that everyone knew about them.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 07:00 AM

35. Joe Biden campaigned on it

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-roe-v-wade-law-land-supreme-court-supporters/

But it would have been very tough to pull off given the tight margins in Congress.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:18 PM

27. Several states passed laws guaranteeing women's healthcare prior to the decision so we

did have laws ready to go. The states that did that in advance of the ruling are CO, NJ, OR and VT. These states have no viability requirement attached to their laws. Other states who passed new/updated laws are CA, CT, IL, ME, MD (Dem General Assembly overrode Governors veto!), MA, NY, RI. It's not like our elected officials are not out here trying to get it done.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 04:02 PM

32. Anyone who has been following the news

for the past 4 or 5 years. The anti-women brigade has been slowly taking over state legislatures for a couple of decades now, and either making sure old anti-abortion laws weren't repealed or enacting new ones.

Yes, we should have had Federal laws in place, but we got complacent after a more liberal-leaning court upheld LGBT+ rights, same-sex marriage, some labor protections, some environmental protections. We thought the population wouldn't stand for going backwards. And people who grew up in a world that was trending towards justice for all assumed it always would be that way, and a large number of them decided to sit out local elections.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 06:43 AM

33. I did.

This was not a secret and had been reported on frequently.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 07:08 AM

36. These have been regularly reported on. Not secret.

"Why did Democrats allow/let _____ ?" Federal laws with what supermajority in Congress? And no, the Obama administration couldn't do anything it wanted for two years, it had 60 votes in the senate for four months and ten days.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:25 AM

37. Any super majority of Dems in the last 50 years

Would have been a good time.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:37 AM

40. I doubt there was a supermajority that would have supported such legislation in the past 50 years

The only period that there has been a "super majority" of at least 60 Democratic senators was after the 1972 and 1974 elections and after the 2008 elections. In each case, however, there almost certainly were Senators who would not have supported legislation relating to abortion, particularly right after Roe was released and there was no urgency for such a law.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:05 AM

42. When? During Clinton/Obama administrations Republicans controlled the House for six out

their eight year terms.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #42)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:07 AM

43. The most recent one was 2009


But if it's not been possible anytime in the last 50 years.

The next 50 years sure do look grim don't they?

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:11 AM

44. They had 60 votes for four months and ten days, September 24, 2009 to February 4, 2010.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:43 AM

45. I didn't realize it was that long.

Especially right that the beginning of a term

That’s usually the most productive period with the public support at its strongest.

Man - that was a great time wasn’t it?

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:48 AM

46. 24 working days.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 02:31 PM

52. And when you get down to the nitty gritty

approximately a whole working month

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:49 AM

47. I know right

It's like those damn super delegates, it was a secret and sprung on everyone at the last minute!

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:50 AM

48. Secret?

Anybody who didn't know wasn't paying attention.


I noticed after the decision leaked that far too many people were not aware of the precarious spot Roe has held for the last 50 years. We were lucky that 2 of the 4 Reagan appointments (O'Conner and Kennedy) were not further to the right or this would have happened sooner.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:59 PM

49. People that live in red states and know there is a difference between Democrats and Republicans.

And there someone goes again, blaming us for what the right and backstabbing """allies""" on the left delivered to our doorstep.

Newsflash: any state controlled by Democrats will not be outlawing abortion and therefore no laws were needed (even though some had already been passed and more will be in the future). Any state now controlled by Republicans would have since overturned any such law that was previously passed and will now outlaw abortion as quickly as they can.

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