Could Indian Reservations open abortion clinics that would be outside the jurisdiction of the

[Ziggysmom]

States and not be affected by the new ruling? Could they service non Indigenous women? State laws regarding crimes on Indigenous land appear to be extremely confusing grey matter.

[d_r]

1. Yes

Also on federal property

[intrepidity]

5. Hmmm.. on BLM land maybe?

Someone call Dept of Interior...

[d_r]

6. VA hospital might me more convenient

[intrepidity]

8. Good thought nt

[2naSalit]

23. They're too busy.

And what makes you think the US government can just move onto a reservation and put up facilities?



Each acre of Indian land is INDIAN LAND, sovereign from US govenrment jurisdiction in 90% of all concerns there.

IF this idea were to become a plan, it can ONLY happen with agreement of the tribal governments who hold jurisdiction over these properties.

Seriously, what you are saying is very much like saying,

"Can't the federal government (regardless of agency) build facilities in my neighbor's yard?"

Sorry, it's just so colonial mindset that I just can't even...

[wnylib]

25. Agree if the thinking is just to walk all over

Native sovereignty. It might be that some tribal governments would be interested in providing this care for members of the tribe.

But for them to take in non Native people would be expensive and overwhelming for many tribes.

[2naSalit]

27. The IHC system needs some serious attention...

Long before anything else.

If new facilities that would benefit the effected tribe and fed investment is included, they might be able to negotiate something. Reservations face encroachment battles every year, from investment or extractive industries to state and local governments, it's endless.

If there could be economic benefit, like jobs and tax revenue along with access, I could see where a few tribes might see it as a worthwhile.

And that's the only way that could work.

[Dysfunctional]

26. VA hospitals do not have the resources to even take care of all the veterans who need it.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. People need to stop putting this forward as if it's a solution. It's not. It's colonial thinking and

it's harmful. Please read up on this issue as well as the issue of colonization. Since when has the federal government ever come onto reservations with the best interest of the residents there?

https://lpeproject.org/blog/the-indian-country-abortion-safe-harbor-fallacy/

[Elessar Zappa]

4. Some

behind this idea are actual tribe leaders.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. Citation?

[Elessar Zappa]

9. I was mistaken about him being a tribe leader, I believe.

I assumed he was because CNN was interviewing him. He goes by “Lakota Man” on Twitter, I don’t have an exact citation.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

10. He's largely seen as a joke within the community fwiw.

[Elessar Zappa]

11. Ok.

[Hekate]

12. Thank you for this link & your input

This argument as repeatedly presented at DU has been driving me crazy. “Colonial thinking” just about sums it up, but having the article from the LPE Project is even better.

Bookmarking, saving to file, etc.

[Takket]

13. well, I hope/assume the Feds would be doing this with the blessings of the tribe

I certainly wouldn't support this being forced on them.

[VarryOn]

24. If it's not forced, I could see supporting this...

I have to believe there's a lot of revenue from providing abortion services. It could help Native Americans and, of course, women.

[Mosby]

19. I think it's more complicated than in your link.

https://reason.com/2012/01/09/tribal-police-in-arizona-seize-cars-of-m/

"Their own sovereign laws apply"

https://www.paysonroundup.com/news/local/drugs-discovered-by-tribal-police-christmas-eve/article_6cc5ae19-8abe-5441-994b-3f03b5a4c0a2.html


Tribal police may detain non-tribal members, Supreme Court rules
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2021/06/02/supreme-court-rules-tribal-police-may-detain-non-tribal-individuals/7514311002/

[Hugh_Lebowski]

20. Read your article and concluded the idea could maybe have some limited usefulness ...

However obviously this shouldn't be some kind of federal requirement but rather a choice of tribes that DO have the necessary authority in their lands.

It's not 'a solution' but in fact, we may need a whole bunch of solutions, and some tribes may be in a position to help ... but they shouldn't be forced to, and we shouldn't expect miracles here.

We need a LOT more than just convincing some Native tribes to help of their own accord, put it like that.

[Ziggysmom]

22. I wasn't suggesting it as a solution; I was just wondering about the legality or possibility.

I totally agree with you, the US has never been truly supportive of Indigenous peoples. The Indian Health Service sterilized thousands of American Indian women without their permission. Native Peoples have also had their children taken away by the state for generations, and put in horrendous state or religious schools. There they were prohibited from speaking their languages and subject to physical and psychological abuse, all aimed at ensuring their submission to control.

[RockRaven]

3. No.

Source: Opening Arguments podcast episode 598 from May 23 2022

[ismnotwasm]

14. A word of caution

I follow NA activists, and they *are* aware of this suggestion.

A caution for white people. Do not assume or presume anything from the black and BIPOC and indigenous communities. Especially the younger community.

They are tired of being used, then tossed aside with it’s not convenient to center their needs.

They are, however, very aware from what I understand.

[roamer65]

17. I would agree.

We created this problem. We need to solve it ourselves.

[2naSalit]

28. +1

Very aware.

I live within three hours' drive of five reservations, and several more if I went a little further down the road in any direction. I keep up with several folks from many nations and it comes up in conversation.

[Sneederbunk]

15. Complicating factors.

Not all Native Americans are Pro-Choice. Reservations receive about $20 billion a year from Feds. This could be in jeopardy from a Repug-controlled Congress.

[2naSalit]

29. +1

Among the myriad obstacles to bringing such ideas to fruition.

[Deep State Witch]

16. Yeah

Because health care on tribal lands is poor to non-existent.

[milestogo]

18. You could have a casino with an abortion clinic in the back.

Not really kidding.

[PortTack]

30. Native Americas oppose this. It was posted here on DU a few weeks back