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Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:19 PM Jun 2022

Reading through the Dobbs decision there are so many outrageous statements - but this one

Last edited Mon Jun 27, 2022, 03:52 PM - Edit history (1)

is what is striking me as the most the degrading line, at least tonight. Each time I read it I go more out of my mind. The lack of logic and the overflowing of stupidity just does not stop infuriating me. These are brain bound losers of the highest order.

From Justice Alito’s majority decision:

“These attempts to justify abortion through appeals to a broader right to autonomy and to define one’s “concept of existence” prove too much. Casey, 505 U. S., at 851. Those criteria, at a high level of generality, could license fundamental rights to illicit drug use, prostitution, and the like. See Compassion in Dying v. Washington, 85 F. 3d 1440, 1444 (CA9 1996) (O’Scannlain, J., dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc). None of these rights has any claim to being deeply rooted in history. Id., at 1440, 1445.”

Here is the link to the entire decision and the dissents. Which are elegant and intelligent.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf

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Reading through the Dobbs decision there are so many outrageous statements - but this one (Original Post) Tumbulu Jun 2022 OP
'Thanks,' bookmarked so I may actually read the piece of junk. elleng Jun 2022 #1
It is hard hard hard to read Tumbulu Jun 2022 #3
That's what I'm kind of afraid of, being outraged beyond consolation. elleng Jun 2022 #8
I hate every one of them and it is distracting me from my work Tumbulu Jun 2022 #11
I'm retired and have plenty of time, but I'm a lawyer, elleng Jun 2022 #14
Oh I loved the law, dreamed of going to law school after taking a constitutional law class Tumbulu Jun 2022 #15
WONDERFUL work you do! elleng Jun 2022 #16
Thank you elleng, that means a lot Tumbulu Jun 2022 #17
One expects justices of the highest court in the land... brush Jun 2022 #26
They don't want women to have self-determination. To have control over our own lives. Solly Mack Jun 2022 #2
And they think that our control of our bodies is up there Tumbulu Jun 2022 #4
Yes, I can. That's how they think. Solly Mack Jun 2022 #5
Yes, clearly it is. Tumbulu Jun 2022 #6
Agreed, so I don't know why Ofsamuel's vote counts! HariSeldon Jun 2022 #7
Indeed! Since we are back in 1868 Tumbulu Jun 2022 #9
OffHerRocker, I believe. Solly Mack Jun 2022 #27
What a tortured soul Alito must be to hate women so visceraly. Haggis 4 Breakfast Jun 2022 #10
Yes, and he is so brain bound! You cannot believe how badly this decision is written Tumbulu Jun 2022 #12
they don't care how idiotic they sound Skittles Jun 2022 #18
Tragically true Tumbulu Jun 2022 #23
TY. n/t EndlessWire Jun 2022 #13
Alito's misogyny is at a level of psychopathy. madaboutharry Jun 2022 #19
I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment Tumbulu Jun 2022 #20
What is the significance of Alitos' citation to the Compassion in Dying v. Washington case? Backseat Driver Jun 2022 #21
It seems to be in the first section where Tumbulu Jun 2022 #22
Kick Rec Bookmark. Thanks so much Hekate Jun 2022 #24
You are welcome, I wonder why nobody in the news media is Tumbulu Jun 2022 #25

Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
3. It is hard hard hard to read
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:25 PM
Jun 2022

The dissent of course is excellent. But if you have ever read Roe, which is a work of elegance, you will be outraged beyond consolation. At least I am.

elleng

(130,834 posts)
8. That's what I'm kind of afraid of, being outraged beyond consolation.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:36 PM
Jun 2022

Alito's been my least favorite since the first we'd seen of him.

Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
11. I hate every one of them and it is distracting me from my work
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:38 PM
Jun 2022

So, like you, I must be careful.

As I am older and I do not have unlimited time to get my work done.

elleng

(130,834 posts)
14. I'm retired and have plenty of time, but I'm a lawyer,
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:46 PM
Jun 2022

so it means an awful lot to me. Family full of lawyers, respecting the law (while recognizing the humanity of those who engage in it,) but this is TOO much.

Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
15. Oh I loved the law, dreamed of going to law school after taking a constitutional law class
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 11:01 PM
Jun 2022

while in college in 1975. The last decision that we studied was Roe. I fell so in love with its clear logic and the history it articulated. I would have switched from science to law if I felt that I could have afforded law school. But it was not to be.

So I love reading the decisions from the Court and that I care so much about.

This outrageously rude and stupid assault on Roe just has gotten to me something fierce!

I am an organic plant breeder and I support my research by selling the products of the plants that I breed themselves. I just want ten more years of being able to do this research…..of course I want more… but I think at my age ( late 60’s) I think ten years is possible. The farming/ plant breeding work is rather challenging physically. I am trying very hard to make things easier for myself.

Thank you for all that you post on DU, I really appreciate you and your voice.

Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
17. Thank you elleng, that means a lot
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 11:11 PM
Jun 2022

I would love to hear your opinion of this garbage decision. Once you can stomach it.

brush

(53,759 posts)
26. One expects justices of the highest court in the land...
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:22 AM
Jun 2022

to be of superior intellect but these American Taliban 6 are revealing themselves by this decision to be little more than small and backwards minded, religious extremists of no particular intellectual distinction, dutifully fulfilling their party's long-held goal to re-subjugate women and take away their self-autonomy should their lives become disrupted by an unwanted pregnancy.

It's chauvinistic hubris to the extreme and there will be backlashes to this 16th century thinking that will make republican heads spin as women voters across the nation are enraged atthe foolish stupidity of rescinding 50 years of settled law.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
2. They don't want women to have self-determination. To have control over our own lives.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:23 PM
Jun 2022

They want us subjugated. They want us held down. They want to put is in "our place".

Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
4. And they think that our control of our bodies is up there
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:26 PM
Jun 2022

with the right to demand to be a prostitute. Can you believe it?

HariSeldon

(455 posts)
7. Agreed, so I don't know why Ofsamuel's vote counts!
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:31 PM
Jun 2022

Or is her name Ofthomas or Ofbrett? I get confused on these issues sometimes.

Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
9. Indeed! Since we are back in 1868
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:37 PM
Jun 2022

Here is from the beautiful rebuttal :

From dissent: Casey itself understood this point, as will become clear. See infra, at 23–24. It recollected with dismay a decision this Court issued just five years after the Fourteenth Amendment’s ratification, approving a State’s decision to deny a law license to a woman and suggesting as well that a woman had no legal status apart from her husband. See 505 U. S., at 896–897 (majority opinion) (citing Bradwell v. State, 16 Wall. 130 (1873)). “There was a time,” Casey explained, when the Constitution did not protect “men and women alike.” 505 U. S., at 896. But times had changed. A woman’s place in society had changed, and constitutional law had changed along with it. The relegation of women to inferior status in either the public sphere or the family was “no longer consistent with our understanding” of the Constitution. Id., at 897. Now, “[t]he Constitution protects all individuals, male or female,” from “the abuse of governmental power” or “unjustified state interference.” Id., at 896, 898.
So how is it that, as Casey said, our Constitution, read now, grants rights to women, though it did not in 1868? How is it that our Constitution subjects discrimination against them to heightened judicial scrutiny? How is it that our Constitution, through the Fourteenth Amendment’s liberty clause, guarantees access to contraception (also not legally protected in 1868) so that women can decide for themselves whether and when to bear a child? How is it that until today, that same constitutional clause protected a woman’s right, in the event contraception failed, to end a pregnancy in its earlier stages?
The answer is that this Court has rejected the majority’s pinched view of how to read our Constitution. “The Founders,” we recently wrote, “knew they were writing a document designed to apply to ever-changing circumstances over centuries.” NLRB v. Noel Canning, 573 U. S. 513, 533–534 (2014). Or in the words of the great Chief Justice John Marshall, our Constitution is “intended to endure for ages to come,” and must adapt itself to a future “seen dimly,” if at all. McCulloch v. Maryland, 4 Wheat. 316, 415 (1819). That is indeed why our Constitution is written as it is. The Framers (both in 1788 and 1868) understood that the world changes. So they did not define rights by reference to the specific practices existing at the time. Instead, the Framers defined rights in general terms, to permit future evolution in their scope and meaning. And over the course of our history, this Court has taken up the Framers’ invitation. It has kept true to the Framers’ principles by applying them in new ways, responsive to new societal un- derstandings and conditions.
Nowhere has that approach been more prevalent than

Consider first, then, the line of this Court’s cases protecting “bodily integrity.” Casey, 505 U. S., at 849. “No right,” in this Court’s time-honored view, “is held more sacred, or is more carefully guarded,” than “the right of every individual to the possession and control of his own person.” Union Pacific R. Co. v. Botsford, 141 U. S. 250, 251 (1891); see Cruzan v. Director, Mo. Dept. of Health, 497 U. S. 261, 269 (1990) (Every adult “has a right to determine what shall be done with his own body”). Or to put it more simply: Everyone, including women, owns their own bodies. So the Court has restricted the power of government to interfere with a person’s medical decisions or compel her to undergo medical procedures or treatments. See, e.g., Winston v. Lee, 470 U. S. 753, 766–767 (1985) (forced surgery); Rochin v. Cali- fornia, 342 U. S. 165, 166, 173–174 (1952) (forced stomach pumping); Washington v. Harper, 494 U. S. 210, 229, 236 (1990) (forced administration of antipsychotic drugs).

As a matter of constitutional substance, the majority’s opinion has all the flaws its method would suggest. Because laws in 1868 deprived women of any control over their bodies, the majority approves States doing so today. Because those laws prevented women from charting the course of their own lives, the majority says States can do the same again. Because in 1868, the government could tell a pregnant woman—even in the first days of her pregnancy—that she could do nothing but bear a child, it can once more impose that command. Today’s decision strips women of agency over what even the majority agrees is a contested and contestable moral issue. It forces her to carry out the State’s will, whatever the circumstances and whatever the harm it will wreak on her and her family. In the Fourteenth Amendment’s terms, it takes away her liberty. Even before we get to stare decisis, we dissent.

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,453 posts)
10. What a tortured soul Alito must be to hate women so visceraly.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:37 PM
Jun 2022

This vile man will have no peace. Not here. Not anywhere.

Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
12. Yes, and he is so brain bound! You cannot believe how badly this decision is written
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:40 PM
Jun 2022

Wow, but he is clearly not intelligent enough to even realize how idiotic the argument is.

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
18. they don't care how idiotic they sound
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 11:57 PM
Jun 2022

they had an agenda, and they tried to make their facts "fit" the agenda....as long as they get what they want, they don't care how fucked up they sound

madaboutharry

(40,200 posts)
19. Alito's misogyny is at a level of psychopathy.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:02 AM
Jun 2022

His complete and total hatred of women drips from the pages of this opinion. No doubt pain and misery is the point. It seems he resents not being able to burn women at the stake or hang them for being witches, like the judges from the 1600’s that he cited with such admiration.

This opinion will be studied in Constitutional Law classes in law schools for the gross abomination that it is. It will forever be held up as one of the most disgraceful opinions of the court, along with Dred Scott and Plessy.

Backseat Driver

(4,385 posts)
21. What is the significance of Alitos' citation to the Compassion in Dying v. Washington case?
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:24 AM
Jun 2022

I do know that at this time, all 50 states have some form of "coded" law at very least, for self-chosen suicide with very often less criteria of conscious mental health than a LW&T, but more legal process, than a self-inflicted bullet at home.

If women can be denied the the "liberty" or privacy of a decision to abort, how can they request the "liberty" or "privacy" of a self- or assisted-suicide? All 50 states have some "death w/dignity" laws. Those laws, and often the processes, have been coded and are applicable for both men and women.

Substance addiction may indeed be an illness that can possibly be treated successfully, but I'll not be carrying around naloxone to revive a criminal whose "pain" lies beneath their self-administered "relief" from the street and suffers the consequences of other criminals' contaminated products. Shame also to the physicians and manufacturers who encourage users for profit.


Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
22. It seems to be in the first section where
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:56 AM
Jun 2022

He is justifying overturning Roe due to their view that Roe and Casey were misrulings to begin with.

Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
25. You are welcome, I wonder why nobody in the news media is
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:38 AM
Jun 2022

sharing this particular line.

I guess there are so many horrific ones…..

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