Don't let the evangelical "Christians" deflect from this with a string of "Yeah, but---"s:

[Atticus]

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"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

That's Genesis, 2: 7. You know, in the book that is the final authority on everything.

Electricity in fetal heart tissue, volume of fetal brain tissue, etc.----all the meaningless stuff that will follow "Yeah, but---" is unmentioned in "the Book". There is no "life"---no "living soul"---until there is breath. Fetal "personhood" is a Christian creation, not a scientific fact.

Don't let them get past Genesis.

[Cracklin Charlie]

1. Not everyone believes in the Bible.

Why should they be forced to follow it’s teachings?

[Atticus]

3. The OP said nothing about forcing people who don't believe in the Bible to follow its teachings. nt

[Cracklin Charlie]

7. I know.

I love your posts. And I totally get your point. I just happened to read your post after seeing several stories explaining the evangelical position on the issue.

I am just so sick of those people. Some of them are using Jesus as a weapon. That seems completely contrary to anything I’ve ever been taught about Jesus.

[Effete Snob]

2. Win Arguments With Evangelicals With This One Simple Trick

In your apparently regular dealings with Evangelicals, how many times have you convinced them that you know more about the Bible than the people they actually listen to on that subject?

[Atticus]

4. No "trick" was suggested. The Bible says what is says. If I answered your silly question with

"137", could you prove me wrong?

Of course, most of these Bible-thumpers will never change, but some of the younger ones are starting to ask why "Christians" apparently don't practice all those Biblical teachings.

My OP may be one more thing they'll ask about.

[Lars39]

5. "Even the devil can quote scripture" gets slung around pretty quickly

[Effete Snob]

6. Precisely

Quoting the Bible to these people, if you are not part of their cult, is pointless.

[JanLip]

8. First breath...

I was very fortunate to be in the delivery room when my granddaughter was born. I had had c-sections with my kids so didn’t get to witness their first breath. Let me tell you when my granddaughter drew that first breath and I saw it first hand. I literally saw her soul enter her body. It was the most spiritual thing I’ve ever witnessed. Some may not believe me but I will believe it for the rest of my life. She’s twenty years old now and beautiful of course I am her granny. Some folks say life begins at conception but I know better.

[piddyprints]

9. It doesn't matter.

In the end, no matter when life starts or when people believe it starts, there is no other situation in which someone is forced to sacrifice themselves in order to save a life. You don't have to donate blood or kidneys or anything. Not even dead people can have their organs harvested without prior approval. Make no mistake, pregnancy is a sacrifice, whether it turns out well or kills the mother or all the possibilities in between.

We really should start making it about what it is: A woman's autonomy. The rest is just noise.

[Atticus]

10. I totally agree. nt