Alito writes that granting women personal autonomy could license prostitution. Where is the press?

[Tumbulu]

From Justice Alito’s majority opinion in Dobbs: “These attempts to justify abortion through appeals to a broader right to autonomy and to define one’s “concept of existence” prove too much. Casey, 505 U. S., at 851. Those criteria, at a high level of generality, could license fundamental rights to illicit drug use, prostitution, and the like. See Compassion in Dying v. Washington, 85 F. 3d 1440, 1444 (CA9 1996) (O’Scannlain, J., dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc). None of these rights has any claim to being deeply rooted in history. Id., at 1440, 1445.”

Full decision and dissents can be found here:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf

[PortTack]

1. And what the ever loving does prostitution have to do with this?? Good GAWD

Just goes to show this is about him/them and their ridiculous beliefs and nothing to do with law, rights or the constitution

[Tumbulu]

30. It illuminates where his sick mind is

Furious I am, and why hasn’t anyone in the press picked this line up?

[TeamProg]

98. +1

[NotHardly]

49. What he is saying is that women's body autonomy is a gateway drug to crime

[Volaris]

52. Drugs and selling sex are only illegal because we made them so.

AFSIC, what one does with one's own body (putting drugs into it, or trading its labors for profit---in whatever form), are pretty much the very definition of a Human Right.

Asshole thinks he wins the argument because drugs are bad, mkay? All he proved is that he's an asshole.

[erronis]

59. And what we do with our bodies to earn incomes, feed our families,

This is a crazy line of reasoning for someone who somehow qualifies to be on the SCOTUS to be engaged in.

I so hope the backlash to these FedSoc/CNP/Koch installed justices (and legislators) is so severe that these slimes go back under their cesspools.

[Tumbulu]

73. Me too- the whole decision reads like a teenagers first draft of a bad term paper

Bad reasoning and writing.

In fact it is unbelievable that these guys got through law school.

[TeamProg]

99. +1

[ShazzieB]

75. I just HAVE to post this.

[PortTack]

57. Oh I get that..but that is some ridiculous moral high ground claim that doesn't have anything

To with the constitution. The guy is nuts!

[ShazzieB]

85. That's what happens when you have our mind made up AHEAD OF TIME.

And then have to flail around to try and find something to support the decision you already made IN ADVANCE.

Which is, of course, the opposite of what a judge is supposed to do. But Sam Asslito and the Extremes don't care. They know they've got the votes to do whatever they want, and the hell with everyone and everything else..

They're like honey badger. They. Don't. Care.

[Walleye]

2. Whaaat???!! god help us

[Tumbulu]

32. Where is the press on this one statement!!!!!!

[SharonAnn]

3. Alito belongs to the fascist Opus Dei Catholic cult.

[AuntieKatie]

11. Is he the only one?

[bdamomma]

17. I don't think so

I think there are others.

Bill Barr (not a justice) but he has strange beliefs too. American Taliban.

[DURHAM D]

26. No. Clarence Thomas is.

Scalia was.

Kavanaugh probably is.

[Texin]

44. No. Kavanaugh, Roberts and Gorsuch (raised Catholic but now Episcopalian),

and Coney Barrett are Catholic, as well as Sotomayor. The U.S. is being ruled by the Roman Catholic Church and Opus Dei now.

[rubbersole]

62. It sure is looking like that.

The constitution is not in play here. Alito is the chief justice now. Religious ideology is driving these assholes. It's working for them.

[Alice Kramden]

81. Sotomayor is not a zealot

The rest you named, plus Alison, are Dominionists - the epitome of religious zealotry

[Texin]

108. Absolutely! I never meant to impugn her,

I was only naming those who are Catholic, factually.

[Alice Kramden]

110. Agree - plus spell check changed Alito to Alison for me

Thanks, Spell Check

[leftyladyfrommo]

4. Republicans do seem to have an unseemly attraction

to expensive ladies of the night.

[Tumbulu]

33. They sure do

Because this is what women are really for for them, pleasure and production of the next generation.

[Freddie]

5. How old is he? Could be dementia?

[Tumbulu]

35. It is in the majority opinion so the 4 other loons

signed off on it.

They all think that is what autonomy for women’s bodies really means.

[cilla4progress]

43. This

occurred to me.

[GoCubsGo]

105. He's 72, give or take a few months.

The median age of onset for men is 83, but getting it at his age is not unheard of. It could be something else, like "COVID brain." However, it is most likely a severe case of Fucked Upus Dei. He's warped by his religious cult, much like Ginni Thomas has been screwed up by the various cults in which she is, or has been a member.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. OK, Sam!! The world's oldest profession is not "deeply rooted in history"! Gotcha!

[ProudMNDemocrat]

12. Yeah Sam. Tell that to the Camp followers of the 18th century.

the women of the West who followed the Gold Rush, Civil War, the building of the Railroads, and through out history to now.

What does Sam know about prostitution?

[csziggy]

25. Tell it to TFG's grandfather who ran a brothel during the Gold Rush!

Trump’s Family Fortune Originated in a Canadian Gold-Rush Brothel
By Natalie Obiko Pearson | October 26, 2016

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Trump family’s gold-rush story began when Fred, as he was known, left Germany at the age of 16 with little more than a suitcase. He headed to New York to work as a barber before venturing west in search of riches. Following stints in Seattle and now-defunct Monte Cristo, the gold fever carried him to Bennett, where he and partner Ernest Levin built the Arctic Restaurant, which touted itself as the best-equipped in town.

It was open around the clock with “private boxes for ladies and parties,” according to an advertisement in the Dec. 9, 1899 edition of the Bennett Sun newspaper. The boxes typically included a bed and scale for weighing gold dust used to pay for “services,” according to a three-generational biography by Gwenda Blair, who traced the origins of the Trump family’s wealth. Of course, in the rough-and-tumble frontier towns of that era, the Arctic’s business model built on food, booze and sex was common.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“I would advise respectable women travelling alone, or with an escort, to be careful in their selection of hotels at Bennett,” according to a letter penned by “The Pirate” in the Yukon Sun on April 17, 1900. For single men, the Arctic offered excellent accommodations but women should avoid it “as they are liable to hear that which would be repugnant to their feelings and uttered, too, by the depraved of their own sex.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In response, Trump dismantled the restaurant and its precious lumber and rebuilt it in Whitehorse. A photo in Blair’s book shows a mustachioed Fred Trump in a white apron. He’s standing at the bar near a wall of drapes behind which women, known as “sporting ladies,” entertained miners in privacy.


https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-trump-family-fortune/

Even though it might be debatable that Frederick Trump actually was a pimp, it is clear that he allowed prostitutes to operate in his hotel, both in Bennett and in White Horse before he cashed in and went back to Germany - where of course he was deported for never performing his required military service.

[Evolve Dammit]

34. Dodged service. Seems to be family trait...

[ProudMNDemocrat]

79. Where my late parents once lived off I-80 East outside of Sparks, NV Exit 22 Lockwood

Exit 23 was the Mustang Exit. The famous Mustang Ranch was but 2 miles in the canyon from my parents house. Prostitution was illegal in Washoe and Clark Counties. Mustang Ranch was just inside the Storrey County line.

[Volaris]

53. Do you REALLY want that last question answered lol?

[cloudboy07]

60. for 9 months men can't wait to get out the womb,-------

then they spend the rest of their life trying to get back in it ! Hell, we all know somebody paid 150 grand to do just that ?

[Hugh_Lebowski]

7. I don't know what's hard to understand about what he said

Pissed off as I am, this is one bit that 'makes logical sense', as an argument.

People's autonomy is legally limited in all sorts of ways. And laws against prostitution and possession of (some) drugs are illustrative examples in this regard.

Basically, that's the point of what he's writing.

Personally, I think all three should be legal ... but I get the argument in play here.

[Tumbulu]

45. Well I am glad that you understand the argument

but the decision could have used other examples of issues of bodily autonomy other than prostitution. Using this is allows us to see where their minds are.

Debasing women is the goal.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

48. It did literally in the same sentence ... illegal drug use

Also, males can be, and are ... prostitutes as well.

[Tumbulu]

65. Yes, are you like Alito in not being able to come up with any other ideas for examples?

What is the purpose of listing prostitution in particular?

The purpose is debasement, not illumination.

If you cannot see that, we’ll, sorry Hugh, I can. And do.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

70. Governments limitation of our bodily autonomy is pretty much perfectly illustrated

By the fact that we (boys or girl) can't be prostitutes, and we can't just up and buy us some heroin at the corner shop, nor even possess it.

These two examples of 'bans' that restrict our autonomy are in fact, two of the best (i.e. closest) analogs ... to abortion bans.

Convince me otherwise by showing me that there are clearly-better examples?

Old anti-sodomy laws are arguably the next best, but those were struck down by SCOTUS, so wouldn't make a good example.

Maybe you have some better ones tho?

[Tumbulu]

87. Try again Hugh

they are not.

I’m sorry that your imagination is running along the same tracks as Alito and the other jerk justices who joined in this opinion.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

102. So I'm wrong, but you have no examples to prove me wrong?

Roger that.

Have a nice day

[Tumbulu]

104. You too

[Faux pas]

8. He's

too stoopid to be a doormat let alone any kind of judge

[lefthandedskyhook]

20. He is not a sharp tool...

... and was appointed of course by perhaps the dumbest president. If Al Gore had not been so damned honorable we would not be here with this stupid zealot drafting decisions

[Faux pas]

37. Yes

Turd Blossom's little buddy.

[Irish_Dem]

9. Yes. All women dream of the day they can become prostitutes.

And we teach our daughters to aspire to that goal as well.

Thank God the R's are saving us.

[Tumbulu]

41. As pissed off as I already was

actually reading the debasing decision has been worse than I imagined.

[Irish_Dem]

50. Just when I think I cannot get any more angry.

Boom they insult and humiliate women even further.

[PTWB]

10. Well, he's only partially wrong.

Folks should be free to choose how to live their life and should have bodily autonomy. If someone chooses to use “illicit substances”, or chooses to be a sex worker, or chooses to have an abortion, those are all choices that they ought to be free to make for themselves.

The government has no business regulating the bodily autonomy of women or anyone else, nor should it be able to criminalize what choices we make with our own bodies.

[happybird]

14. +1

[UniqueUserName]

76. +1

[Probatim]

13. Men have autonomy over their bodies - does that mean he should restrict

our rights considering we might engage in illicit drug use or become male prostitutes?

I mean WTAF and what century is he living in?

[bdamomma]

19. could be

the 14th/15th

[LakeArenal]

23. Or be the Republican hiring a prostitute.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

51. Men's autonomy to be a male prostitute and use illegal drugs already ARE restricted

At least, in most states.

His argument is that we already restrict autonomy in various ways, both for males and females, and the right of the government to do so is established, and hence ... the government can restrict abortion under a similar principle.

For the record, I support ending the war on (some) drugs, and legalizing sex work ... and abortion on demand.

[Probatim]

106. This is an extension of one of the arguments I've made in various places; albeit flipped a bit.

If the government (and christian leaders for that matter) can force you to raise your rapist's child, what else are they planning or willing to force you to do?

[Colbert]

54. Men Don't

Like I pointed out elsewhere, men don't have autonomy over themselves. The government can still call you up to serve in the military (or do alternative service if you're a conscientious objector). They haven't done it in a while (those in my birth year were the last to face it), but they're entitled to by statute. Face it; whether you're male or female, your existence is at the government's pleasure.

“I can still smell the tear gas in the Hilton Hotel.”
-- Eugene McCarthy

[lefthandedskyhook]

15. Legalization or decriminalization of all those "crimes" is a great idea, asshole!

nt

[FakeNoose]

16. He wants all American women in chastity belts

[TheBlackAdder]

18. Flashback Monday

.



.

[LakeArenal]

21. So what if it does....?

EDIT: somehow equating prostitution to a private medical procedure seems about right….for Republicans.

[Pete Ross Junior]

22. It could at that, and why not? n/t

[electric_blue68]

24. Ohhhh, where is the time machine so we can send those "Supremes" back to the 1800's or 1500's...

😑🤪🤬🤬🤬

GAAAAAAH!





(I forgot about male prostitutes 😄 )

[Tumbulu]

72. Yes, we need it now! Or maybe 6 months ago......nt

[csziggy]

27. Pretty much 99% of what any RepuQ has to say is projection of what they do or wish to do

That has held true since Nixon declared, "I am not a crook."

[Tumbulu]

36. Yes, that is how it seems to me

as well.

[Chalco]

28. AssLito eom

[emulatorloo]

29. Illicit drugs and prostitution? Alito belongs in a mental hospital.

[Tumbulu]

38. I want him in prison

but a mental hospital will be a good alternative.

[TeamProg]

101. +1

[YoshidaYui]

31. Fuck these

Republican judges with a ten ton Metal pipe!

[Tumbulu]

39. Yes!!!!!!!!!

Furious I am!

[cilla4progress]

40. Beyond offensive

Guy is sick

[Brainfodder]

42. How do we do anything if Justice Alito can find a fault in it?

So absurd is lifetime appointment, done when average life is 45?

[Lonestarblue]

46. This guy is completely off the rails.

W must not have had him checked out at all before he appointed him. He belongs in the loony bin, lnot on the SC.

[Tumbulu]

92. Agree, the whole bunch of them so disgusting.

[spanone]

47. What. Thee. Fuck?

[Tumbulu]

93. Yes, exactly!

[lindysalsagal]

55. Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if women will lose all rights from these fools.

They really don't think we're people.

[Tumbulu]

89. They sure don't

Debasing and disgusting.

[regnaD kciN]

56. He's right, though...

Guaranteeing a generalized right to “personal bodily autonomy” would legalize those kind of behaviors…and that would be a GOOD thing. Taking away a right so that you can continue to prosecute other victimless crimes is the problem.

[Martin68]

58. First of all, I believe prostitution should be legal between consenting adults. Secondly, Alito is

batshit crazy. Thanks to the GOP we have some absolute morons on the highest court of the land. It's like a Three Stooges episode, but real.

[Tumbulu]

64. His writing is idiotic to put it mildly

and his understanding of Roe….. a gigantic fail.

His brain was bound while young, perhaps. I don’t know. Or it never had too much capacity to begin with.

[OMGWTF]

61. Bodily autonomy isn't a Constitutional right,

it’s a birthright.

[PeaceWave]

63. Alito is basically saying...

That without a man looking over her shoulder, a woman is likely to misuse her own VJJ.

[Tumbulu]

68. Yes, oh my am I ever furious

I want this discussed in the media- why the hell did he choose that example?

[ancianita]

66. Bodily autonomy. What a privileged view from a self chosen male prostitute of dark money.

Bodily autonomy isn't a right that men confer upon women, prostitutes or not. The 10th Commerce Clause: "Congress may not use its commerce power: (1) to regulate noneconomic subject matter; (2) to impose a regulation that violates constitutional rights, including the right to bodily integrity;

Bodily autonomy is bodily freedom from serving "state" interests. The 13th: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Bodily autonomy is bodily freedom to be left alone. The 14th: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Bodily autonomy is under Natural Law. The 9th: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Bodily autonomy secures ones Life, Liberty and Property. The 4th: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

Bodily autonomy is the bodily right to free speech. The 1st:

Fuck you, you fucking robed prostitute, and fuck the sexist horse you rode in on.

[Tumbulu]

67. Yes, yes yes!!!!! The dissent makes mincemeat of the bizarro Majority Opinion

but this opinion is full of insult, innuendo and debasement.

Thank you for this excellent reply.

[DFW]

69. It sounds to me like Alito is "deeply rooted in history" himself

deeply rooted in history around the years 1440, 1445.”

[Tumbulu]

71. Maybe he is reliving some past life fun times

where he got to burn woman at the stake.

Or other niceties.

[DFW]

82. That does seem like his idea of amusing weekend entertainment.

Oliver Cromwell was probably way too much of a "libbrul" for Alito. Tomás de Torquemada is more his idol.

Alito probably saw this when it came out, and thought it was an inspiring documentary:

[eShirl]

74. apparently our bodies belong to the state

[sinkingfeeling]

77. Cockeyed argument. Autonomy does not equate to lawlessness.

[Botany]

78. Alito when at Princeton worked on keeping blacks and women out of that college ....

.... and when asked about those actions* his wife cried phony ass crocodile tears and ran from
the room at which point CBS' Gloria Borger looked at the camera and asked if the democrats had gone
too far in questioning Alito.

* at his senate hearings.

[Tumbulu]

83. What a monster, thanks for bringing this history to our attention

[Botany]

95. Alito has a long history of being a racist/sexist bigot.

n/t

[Tumbulu]

97. It sure shows

Disgusting monster.

[Frostlight]

80. It would be no surprise to find that he has NO problem with MALE prostitutes.

I think a sting operation is in order.

[jaxexpat]

84. Alito and other, similar denizens of his fantasy world are simply unprepared.

They do not have what it takes to council reality even when it parades itself before their eyes. Their's is a state of denial unlikely to adjust so long as their delusions remain supported by their perpetual nod to scientific non-truths. It doesn't help their education that their psychical and physical needs are met, maintained and manicured to levels enjoyed only by the world's entrenched 0.001% elite. Since they are currently incapable of rising above these handicaps, they must be removed, with prejudice adequate for the effort, if necessary.

Get them and their goddamned religious nonsense out of our government and give them a serious time out until they can do better.

[Tumbulu]

96. Absolutley! I could not agree more.

Thank you.

[LudwigPastorius]

86. "Those criteria could license fundamental rights to illicit drug use, prostitution, and the like."

...and, what's wrong with that?

"None of these rights has any claim to being deeply rooted in history."

Sure, Sammy...even though archeological evidence indicates the presence of psychoactive plants and drug use in early hominid species about 200 million years ago. ...and, it's not called "the world's oldest profession" for no reason.

[milestogo]

88. All women are whores unless properly constrained by patriarchy.

Next thing you know they'll be mandating female genital mutilation.

[Tumbulu]

90. Up next! You are correct!

[H2O Man]

91. Recommended.

He has a diseased mind. First, he thinks this in the context of granting rights, as if women require his permission to seek health care. It is, however, an effort to deny women their rights. Second, he views women who seek abortions as prostitutes. A sick mind.

And what's up with the drug bit? Is he upset that pot is legal in many states?

[Tumbulu]

94. It's just an free for all insult and debasement party

read the opinion, if you can.

The Court’s Majority is clearly unable to even comprehend Roe v Wade. If you read Roe you will see that every single thing that these very limited people throw at it are false. It is an outrage along with being insulting beyond belief.

[H2O Man]

100. I definitely agree 100%

Recently, I've been thinking about these recent attacks in the context of science versus religion. Not all religion, but the supersitions of the republican right. For many decades, they focused their attacks on evolution -- no coincidence that this reared its ugly head when women's rights and civil rights were making advances. In the era of Trump, they started attacking the science of health care, which they will not limit to covid or abortion, but expand to birth control, etc.

This is a dangerous time.

[Tumbulu]

103. Yes it is

We need such a blue wave that we can wipe the red wing off the political levers of control.

[Retrograde]

107. And what's wrong with licensing prostitution?

Many societies have done it and it hasn't caused the end of the world.

Fun anecdote: I was reading Zero Fail, about problems in the Secret Service in recent years. An agent in the advance party preparing for Obama's visit to Colombia hire a prostitute to come to his hotel room, since prostitution is legal in Colombia. He refused afterward to pay the agreed-upon rate; she left and went to the nearest police station to file a complaint - because prostitution is legal in Colombia and she had some recourse. A police officer showed up at the agent's hotel to arrest him, and she got her money.

[Tumbulu]

109. I am sure Alito did not choose these two because

he thinks they should be accepted.

[Captain Zero]

111. There some guys in Nevada may want a word...

With Alito after they read this.