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edhopper

(33,579 posts)
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:11 PM Jun 2022

Is this the first time SCOTUS has taken away an established Right?

I know there have been cases where they didn't convey a Right they should have. But have they ever before taken away an established Right?
Not an historian, and not sure if Japanese Internment fits.

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Is this the first time SCOTUS has taken away an established Right? (Original Post) edhopper Jun 2022 OP
They took away our right... JoeOtterbein Jun 2022 #1
That was Congress edhopper Jun 2022 #3
I'll drink to that... JoeOtterbein Jun 2022 #23
That was an Amendment first of all, and arguably that didn't take away our right Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2022 #4
Its the first time in several decades Best_man23 Jun 2022 #2
Roberts and Taney exboyfil Jun 2022 #5
I'm not sure... PTWB Jun 2022 #6
He saved the ACA because it was politically expedient exboyfil Jun 2022 #15
I was just going to say Dred Scott did. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #7
No it didn't inthewind21 Jun 2022 #14
But his right to be free - and to be freed - in a state where that right existed was removed. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #19
Yes. Claire Oh Nette Jun 2022 #10
No, they took away the constitutional right Groundhawg Jun 2022 #8
That was an Amendment edhopper Jun 2022 #9
And that matters how? Groundhawg Jun 2022 #12
Well it matters inthewind21 Jun 2022 #16
When it comes to taking rights away Groundhawg Jun 2022 #20
Because edhopper Jun 2022 #18
So your asking specifically when Groundhawg Jun 2022 #22
Try reading the thread title. TwilightZone Jun 2022 #24
An established right could be one given directly by the constitution. Groundhawg Jun 2022 #25
The right to discriminate and segregate in education and other public facilities Claire Oh Nette Jun 2022 #11
SCOTUS took away the "right" to segregated public schools FakeNoose Jun 2022 #13
It's about time to take away their rights dalton99a Jun 2022 #17
+1 2naSalit Jun 2022 #21
Plessy v Ferguson 1896. Voltaire2 Jun 2022 #26
There was already segregation edhopper Jun 2022 #27
Plessy removed equality from the 14th. Voltaire2 Jun 2022 #28
It was already legal edhopper Jun 2022 #29
Sure and abortion was already illegal. Voltaire2 Jun 2022 #30
Because edhopper Jun 2022 #31
Dred Scott Deep State Witch Jun 2022 #32
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
4. That was an Amendment first of all, and arguably that didn't take away our right
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:15 PM
Jun 2022

To drink ... rather, it took away the right to SELL alcohol.

Best_man23

(4,898 posts)
2. Its the first time in several decades
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:14 PM
Jun 2022

The SC historians haven't truly waded in yet, but I'm betting some are quietly comparing the Dobbs opinion to the Dred Scott decision.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
5. Roberts and Taney
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:18 PM
Jun 2022

Separated at birth. Roberts will go into the dustbin of history as one of the worst Chief Justices.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
6. I'm not sure...
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:21 PM
Jun 2022

He voted to save Obamacare when the conservatives were going to end it, and he didn’t vote to end Roe, either. Roberts is a bad Chief Justice but he could be far, far worse.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
15. He saved the ACA because it was politically expedient
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:37 PM
Jun 2022

You actually think those anarchists have any desire to actually govern in any meaningful way. He took the hit with the conservatives to ensure they had a punching bag for the GOP going forward. It worked. They played the long game. We lost both Houses for a while and the Presidency (long enough to lock in permanent minority rule).

The only reason he wasn't in full throated support with the other five in Dobbs is his "legacy".

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
14. No it didn't
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:36 PM
Jun 2022

There was no constitutional right for a black person (who by the way wasn't even considered a whole person) in the US to be free in 1857.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
19. But his right to be free - and to be freed - in a state where that right existed was removed.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:43 PM
Jun 2022

Constitutionally sanctioned or not, there were state laws in both states that should have freed him and his family.

Presumably other slaves were freed when their owners stayed in Wisconsin and Illinois for extended periods.

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
10. Yes.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:26 PM
Jun 2022

Prohibition was a congressional act, then codified with an amendment, then reversed. The Court didn't impose or un-impose anything.

Women lost the right to bodily autonomy, and the right to privacy in their intimate affairs, including family planning, and access to the complete range of female health and wellness care.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
16. Well it matters
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:38 PM
Jun 2022

Because a SC decision and a constitutional amendment are two very different things.

Groundhawg

(550 posts)
20. When it comes to taking rights away
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:43 PM
Jun 2022

I'm not sure it matters. The right to own slaves was clearly enumerated. Plus, I don't see where the op cared which constitutional rights taken away were due to how they were instituted.
Even the 14th amendment that allows abortion wasn't in the original constitution.

Groundhawg

(550 posts)
22. So your asking specifically when
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:54 PM
Jun 2022

Has the SCOTUS taken away a right that they gave us vs when have the taken away a right codified into the constitution?
I really can't see how that makes a difference.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
24. Try reading the thread title.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 05:57 PM
Jun 2022

It's really not that difficult to understand.

"Is this the first time SCOTUS has taken away an established Right"

Groundhawg

(550 posts)
25. An established right could be one given directly by the constitution.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 06:44 PM
Jun 2022

Or one given by a 50 year old supreme court ruling. What am I missing here?

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
11. The right to discriminate and segregate in education and other public facilities
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:28 PM
Jun 2022

Brown ended the racists right to keep their lily white kids away form the local black kids.

Which led to integration and busing, which led to the GOP needing a wedge issue after they lost on segregation.

Long game, indeed.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
13. SCOTUS took away the "right" to segregated public schools
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:35 PM
Jun 2022

... in their decision of Brown vs. Board of Education.

Not sure if that's what you mean though.

Voltaire2

(13,033 posts)
26. Plessy v Ferguson 1896.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:19 PM
Jun 2022

Undid the 14th amendment equality requirements and enabled legal segregation. Millions of African Americans lost their rights for decades.

edhopper

(33,579 posts)
27. There was already segregation
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:31 PM
Jun 2022

Plessy could have ended it, but it did the reverse. Separate but equal was the way things were. Now we have legal abortion made illegal.

edhopper

(33,579 posts)
29. It was already legal
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:00 AM
Jun 2022

it was already how things were in much of the country. There was no governmental agency trying to end segregation. And the government itself, like the military, was segregated. It wasn't like there was no segregation and then after Plessy, it happened.
Plessy was because the railroads were segregated.The Court confirmed that separate but equal upheld the 14th. It took over 50 years to reverse it.

Voltaire2

(13,033 posts)
30. Sure and abortion was already illegal.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 02:16 PM
Jun 2022

Plessy confirmed the power of states to impose segregation.

Dobbs confirmed the power of states to criminalize abortions.

I have no idea why you are insisting that Plessy is not equivalent.

edhopper

(33,579 posts)
31. Because
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 04:03 PM
Jun 2022

abortion was legal after Roe. The Court said it was a Right. There was no ruling against segregation before Plessy. It was the norm and not challenged by any governmental entity.

Can't see why you don't see the difference.

Deep State Witch

(10,426 posts)
32. Dred Scott
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 04:17 PM
Jun 2022

I believe the only time that rights were taken away was the Dred Scott decision, but that was for free People of Color.

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