Frustration, anger rising among Democrats over caution on abortion

[moonshinegnomie]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/27/democrats-angry-party-leaders/


I kind of agree. we need strong bold action. the GOP plays hardball while the dems try and be civil. but were in a war. and in a war you have to fight with every tool you have.

Biden should start taking strong steps. if a court later throws out anything he does well at least he did something...

[Ferrets are Cool]

1. I, for one, am certainly grateful there are cooler heads in charge.

What strong steps?

[TwilightZone]

2. The genie is out of the bottle.

I get the frustration, but this is 50 years in the making on the Republican side.

Expecting concrete, sweeping solutions days after Roe was overturned is just not realistic.

The answer, as it has always been, is to get more Democrats elected at all levels of government. It's going to be a very difficult, very long-term project. In the meantime, find workarounds and work with what we can to provide access to as many women as possible.

And stop blaming Democrats for everything.

[LonePirate]

3. There is plenty of frustration and anger here on DU and some are not happy about that.

The lack of a unified voice on whether to act or not to act is not good for the party or this forum.

[enough]

5. "not to act?" Is that even an option?

[LonePirate]

7. Read enough posts and you will see plenty saying there is nothing we can do right now.

They also won't like it if you push for actions beyond lip service.

[TwilightZone]

13. Actions like impeaching and removing Supreme Court justices?

That one is a pipe dream.

If you have the magic wand, perhaps you should contact Democratic leadership and let them know what the solution is. Heaven knows that they should be able to fix a 50-year plan by the GOP in 72 hours.

[moonshinegnomie]

26. its not like they didnt know this was coming

weve known about it for weeks not just 72 hours

[Demsrule86]

37. How about we elect more Democrats so we can do something going forward...we don't have the

numbers to pass legislation. If you want to do something, try working on the coming election...it is the most important one in forever.

[TwilightZone]

6. Literally no one is advocating not acting.

[LonePirate]

9. I was slapped down by a few posters when I expressed my desire for more action from our electeds.

That sure seems like people advocating for no action.

[TwilightZone]

14. Since you seem to have all the answers...

maybe you should be contacting Democratic leadership instead of throwing Democrats and DUers under the bus on a website.

[thucythucy]

4. There's a paywall blocking access to the story.

Which Democrats in particular are expressing "rising anger"? Are there any names listed?

The decision came down like 72 hours ago. It seems a bit soon to start attacking Democrats when it's the GOP that has done all this damage.

And what "strong steps" are people suggesting?

[LonePirate]

10. AOC and Warren have expressed considerable anger in recent days.

I cannot confirm if they are mentioned in the article but the loudest voices have been those on the left side of the party.

[TwilightZone]

16. Actions, not words.

Thomas and the others are not going to be removed from office. If you think no-chance demands said loudly are more important than coming up with real-world plans and actions, then your focus - and your anger - are seriously misplaced.

Even AOC knows that they aren't going to be removed. She said what she said simply for effect - to get people motivated. That's what politicians do.

[LonePirate]

25. The decision was leaked months ago and no plans or actions from leadership have been announced.

I'll stick with those on the left who are actually proposing things, regardless of how much of a chance you feel they have.

[Willto]

35. And What

...would you have them do? Easy to scream "DO SOMETHING". But I notice you never answer when someone asks you to give a specific course of action that has any realistic hope of working. What do you advocate? Codefying Roe vs Wade? Don't have the votes. Impeach Supreme Court Justices? That's a friggin pipe dream fantasy that has no realist prayer of even being taken seriously. No chance of getting the votes to pull that off. Stacking the court with more judges? Another fantasy that we don't have the votes for. Not to mention that both of those last two would set horrible precedents that Republicans would surely use the second they regained power.

So again, what action are you sick of Democrats not taking. I'm all ears.

[thucythucy]

8. This just in:

NBC News: Democrats introduce bill to expand Supreme Court to 13 Justices

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/democrats-introduce-bill-expand-supreme-court-9-13-justices-n1264132

Is that strong enough?

[LonePirate]

11. 13 is insufficient. We need to go at least 15.

At 13, we would have a 7 to 6 court that could easily be upended if someone on our side was replaced by the other side. At 15, we have some breathing room.

[asiliveandbreathe]

22. Is this the April 2021 story...a year ago..look at the date...

Just a friendly note..

[thucythucy]

36. Oops!

Thanks for the correction.

Best wishes.

[MichMan]

28. Well they've been working on that legislation for over a year now

Has it passed yet?

[Leith]

12. Here's a weapon

Forced pregnancy is a UN crime against humanity.

[róisín_dubh]

30. We have to be States party to...

Treaties that have codified this (Rome Statute, I believe- to which I think we are party).
Our record on signing and ratifying human rights and humanitarian treaties is not good (see CEDAW for instance).
Plus, water boarding is a violation of international law and we didn’t seem worried about that.

[In It to Win It]

15. I think Congress should take bolder step rather than Joe Biden

Joe Biden has a larger audience to please. He has to remain appealing to a broader coalition.

If Congress takes bolder action, Joe Biden isn't gonna stop it or get in their way. Have Congress "buck" the President if necessary but Congress is the entity that needs to take the bold action.

[AlexSFCA]

17. gop is always strategic, where are dems trigger laws protecting rights when they're overturned?

Where are blue states abortion rights trigger laws? Where are blue states same sex marriage trigger laws? etc. etc.

[TwilightZone]

18. Blue states are protecting abortion rights.

As they have been doing for decades. There's no need for trigger laws when there are already laws in place.

[thucythucy]

19. Here's what one Dem leader is doing, and I'm sure more will follow:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216857897

[Mariana]

21. These are the states where abortion rights are still protected

after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/13/us/abortion-rights-access-states-roe-v-wade/index.html

[eShirl]

27. already in place, in my state

technically not trigger laws though; they have been and remain in effect

[rwheeler31]

20. So sick of Democrats going on TV and complaining about Democrats.

Chris Hays's show was all about how awful the Dems are. Progressive Dems have some great ideas but they are pushing people away with their strident rhetoric and constant criticism.

[asiliveandbreathe]

23. I just can't watch him anymore..and I am beginning to believe S Ruhle just doesn't like her jiob..

She is great regarding economics...pouty as well..oh well..will miss Rachel..Alex Wagner has come into her own..she has some big shoes to fill, but she be fine....

BTW...I am in the camp W/AOC...impeach the lying sob's...discovery would be priceless...

[TwilightZone]

31. It's not just on TV

It's right here on DU. That, however, is nothing new. There's always been a contingent who blame everything on the Democrats. It's Biden's fault, it's Obama's fault. I'm surprised that "we" haven't somehow blamed Hillary for it (yet).

[gulliver]

24. I think the Dems that bring in reliable votes should get the mic, period

Vote in one election, you get some say. Vote in two elections, you get a little more. Vote in three elections, you get a little more. It's reciprocity. You give loyalty, you get loyalty. You don't give loyalty, you don't get loyalty.

[zanana1]

29. I think one of Churchill's quotes is apt here.

"You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth".

[David__77]

32. Votes, all night sessions, extraordinary action.

As for California I’m glad to see a constitutional amendment going to a vote. There should also be a commitment to create a state resource aimed at ensuring reproductive access nationally. That is needed, doing everything possible to ensure that the effect of this decision is nullified in practice.

[Johnny2X2X]

33. Oh, sure, yeah, let's blame the Dems for something the Reps did

Democrats have been fighting for abortion rights for decades. But let's blame them rather than the side fighting to end them. Ridiculous.

[betsuni]

34. +1