David Hogg calls Democrats "unbelievably stupid and incompetent"

[Polybius]

Always suspected that he was a Justice Democrat.

Link to tweet

[SheltieLover]

1. Wow!

Very disappointing!

[FarPoint]

13. He needs to find his balance....

I sense he is still filled with rage and has a bit of PTSD...I'll allow this growth spurt.

[SheltieLover]

15. Perhaps frustrated with the toothless firearm bill just passed, but he should rage against qpukes,

Not Dems.

Yes, ptsd is pretty much a given.

[uponit7771]

2. I agree with the first part, understand the frustration on second part even though I'd use a ...

... different tact of portrayal.

He could use more effective words, still want him in the tent vs outside of it.

[SheltieLover]

17. He should be attacking qpukes, not Dems

Surely he is aware of the gridlock. 😏

I have been wondering if he aspires go political office. I was hoping so before this tweet.

[uponit7771]

20. DNC messaging in CoC is lack there's no data showing different, its not attack to point out reality

... that dem messaging needs to get past blaming the M$M for its lack in those communities.

Stacy Abrams showed America how to ground base organize for winning and DNC hasn't repeated this in CoC en masse and we're getting mud stomped.

[BannonsLiver]

3. And so ends any interest I have in what David Hogg has to say about anything

Fuck him.

[eShirl]

4. instead of complaining, help

[KG]

5. gasp!

Justice Democrat! heavens to betsy! where did I put my pearls? my couch?

[PunkinPi]

50. You do realize the JD's aren't friends of Democrats, right?

[Ocelot II]

6. He's very young; lack of experience sometimes skews the thinking of activists.

He's probably, and understandably, frustrated with the lack of major progress on gun control, but he's blaming the wrong people.

[SheltieLover]

18. This is what I'm guessing.

I've been wondering if he has political aspirations.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

7. A lot of people have anger but no solutions.

Dude is young, and will hopefully grow a little wiser over time.

[leftyladyfrommo]

8. That was kind of rude. He's young. nt

[madashelltoo]

9. And, where would you be without them?

You do know the Repigs could not care less about you. I’d rather have the care of the kind and stupid than be oppressed under the rule of the greedy and heartless.

[In It to Win It]

10. Republicans are not brilliant masterminds

is the only party I agree with. They were incredibly and stupidly lucky.

[Caliman73]

19. They aren't brilliant masterminds, but also not stupidly lucky.

They get what they want because they are willing to bend and break rules. They rely on the apathy and ignorance of Americans, which is in LARGE supply.

It doesn't take a lot of smarts to incite anger and resentment in people for personal gain, just a lack of ethics and morals.

When people are passionate about a situation, they often think that other people are just as passionate about their ideas. While a large majority of Americans agree with gun safety regulations, something like 75% of most polling populations, the devil is in the details. When you start putting out specific policies, that support starts to erode somewhat. That is what I think the Democratic leadership sees that many advocates do not. We do need people like David Hogg to be pushing, but as many have said, the Democratic Party is the only vehicle that is able to advance policies that are good for the people. To insult and try to move people away from the party is counter productive. At this point in our history, there is no viable solution further left than the Democratic Party that will have any kind of effect on our politics. Push the party, work with the party, get progressives elected, but insulting the party is not a good strategy.

[piddyprints]

11. He's young

and still knows everything.

But he still doesn’t get a pass from me.

[JustAnotherGen]

12. He's not getting anything

If his demoralizing words inspire people not to vote.

Congratulations sir - you just helped get the GOP the house.

[TheRealNorth]

14. I agree that what he said is not constructive...

But if he has that much power that he can sway the election, then he is correct.

[JustAnotherGen]

23. I don't believe he has that much sway

He's a one issue voter and one issue activist.

IE - Wouldn't trust his opinion on voting rights, reparations, the HUGE BFD Anti Lynching law, equal pay, salt cap, foreign aid, etc. etc.

He's insulting the base of the party - black women -

And they need to stop insulting our votes in 2020. It's enough.

[gratuitous]

16. Inelegantly stated, but he's not wrong

Democrats have been giving Republicans far too much credit for operating in good faith. Republicans have handed us any number of winning issues for the fall, and Democrats need to seize those issues with both hands. Yes, there are pockets of the country where low information voters care about owning the libs and nothing else. But there are great swaths of the country that I think would respond positively to the Democrats' message on women's health, firearm regulation, government spending, tax reform, and other issues. We have to be bold and if Cletus down at the diner is unhappy, Bonnie serving his coffee might be very happy to vote Democratic.

[area51]

27. +1 n/t

[TheFarseer]

21. Did they succeed or fail to defend a woman's right to choose?

Asking for a friend

[W_HAMILTON]

22. Republicans aren't brilliant masterminds, but their supporters support them.

I find myself fending off attacks from our so-called """allies""" on the left just as often as I do Republican attacks nowadays.

The always-online contingent of the left seems more interested in getting likes and retweets on social media -- get those up votes from those Russian and Republican trolls, you influencers, you! -- than banding together and doing what it takes to preserve our democracy and fight for our ideals.

[JustAnotherGen]

30. This

If we were as good at manipulating people who leaned towards an authoritarian mindset - we would vote every single election.

Disillusioned Trumpers still voted for the s.o.b. in November 2020.

I wish we could have that kind of loyalty. We definitely have a lot of left leaning folks who are authoritarian - but we can't get them to the polls by fear of the other.

They better start fearing the other . . . because they have a SCOTUS on their side.

[Samrob]

24. But David, you will need all of us "stupid and incompetent" Democrats to get anything you want done.

You want too much, too soon. The GOP has been working for over 60 years to get to this moment while not really governing or doing anything else for people. The Dems have been governing and working their asses off to get whatever social safety net we now have and trying to keep it. We can't and should not give up what we have achieved to get absolutely nothing in exchange. Had the JDems been with us fully in 2016, The second woman President might be in charge now.

[jcmaine72]

25. He's correct in this regard....

Yes, the reTHugs are not brilliant in any way, but they posses the cunning and killer instinct of an alpha predator. They're much better at finishing off a vulnerable and weakened opponents than Democrats are. Much better. They go for the jugular while, more often than not, we try to understand our opponents and compromise with them.

I disagree in the strongest terms that we are incompetent. We are not. If anything, we are too civil for our own good. The reTHugs use our own humanity against when they can because they are soulless, predatory fiends who perceive human compassion and tolerance as genuine weaknesses. Occasionally they succeed. That's not incompetence. That's just us trying to retain our humanity in the fetid, primordial bog the reTHugs have transformed our political and legal systems into.

[barbaraann]

55. Very well said. n/t

[Fiendish Thingy]

26. Dems ignore progressive youth at their own peril.

Rather than smear critics, pay attention and listen to what they have to say. (Listening doesn’t require agreement). There is anger, frustration and a resulting cynicism from the largest untapped voting bloc in the nation. Discounting or ignoring their anger is a recipe for disaster.

These are the voters Dems need to retain their majorities and add to the senate.

[Willto]

31. And what are we

supposed to do to appease their misplaced anger? Why does the whole party have to kiss the ass of people who are ignorant and naive about what can possibly be done at this particular point in time. We are constantly told not to piss them off or it will hurt our chances to win. But tell me what can they win without the vastly larger mainstream of the party? Why are they never advised to refrain from pissing us off or it will DESTROY their chance to win anything? I'm sick of the double standard.

Let the lunatic fringe turn their back on the Democratic Party. Let's see what kind of gun legislation they can get passed when the Republicans have a 2/3 majority in the House and Senate with some Trump wannabe in the White House. Maybe they can mean tweet the Republicans into submission and really get something done. Huh? Let's see how that goes for them.

[Fiendish Thingy]

34. The goal is not appeasement, it is inclusion and motivation

If you, or the Dem leadership, don’t have the patience to listen and respond to their concerns, instead labeling them “the lunatic fringe”, then our cause is already lost.

David Hogg =/= Tulsi Gabbard or Susan Sarandon

[Willto]

40. Well

"then our cause is already lost."

And of course their cause would be hopelessly lost without us as well. Yet they are never chastised or warned of this fact. Only us. Why is that?

[Fiendish Thingy]

46. "Their" cause IS Our cause- winning elections and retaining Majorities

Including a Senate majority that is Manchin/Sinema proof.

The fact that you feel the need to continue to “other” the youth voters - the largest untapped voting bloc in the country, who, if mobilized properly, will decide every and any election in the next decade at least- shows that you are part of the problem, not the solution.

Yet they are never chastised or warned of this fact.

Give me a frigging break- the youth vote has been taken for granted by the Dem power structure almost as much as the BIPOC vote (“who else are they going to vote for?”); even when more and more young progressives are elected to office, they are frequently dismissed or told to listen to their elders, who tell them the only path to winning elections and wielding power is through Pragmatic Incrementalism.

The youth voters are ignored, not listened to, and then demeaned with comments like “they don’t vote anyway”, while tremendous resources are spent trying to flip “economically anxious” white boomers in swing state diners.

Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies…

[Willto]

49. And

"The fact that you feel the need to continue to “other” the youth voters "

And who is Hogg calling "unbelievably stupid and incompetent" if we are all on the same team? Isn't he kind of "OTHERING" us. Sorry. Sick of the double standard. I'm not kissing anyone's ass while they are pissing in my face. Want to get on board and be a team player then I'm there for you. Have a hissy fit and start telling people to stop voting for Democrats and I'm Michael Corleone and you're Fredo.

[Fiendish Thingy]

51. "I'm not kissing anyone's ass while they are pissing in my face"

You just described EXACTLY how millions of young voters feel, yet when they point it out, you take offence, and claim you are the victim instead…

[Willto]

56. Then

perhaps a remedial course in civics would help them out. Then they could maybe understand why a political party can't just do anything it wants without a substantial majority. Because right now they seem pretty ignorant of how government works.

And I have never said a harms word about David Hogg until he started this anti Democrat nonsense. Sorry but it's always Democrats that are fired on by people like this kid and then we are chastised by people like yourself for saying anything back or defending ourselves. I have no taste for shit and will not sit quietly and eat a bowl of it. Especially when it's being served by some know nothing little shit who obviously has no ability to understand how government works and whose only claim to fame is that he happened to attend a school where a mass shooting occurred.

[Tarheel_Dem]

61. ALL OF THIS !!!!

Thank You!

[inthewind21]

39. Spare me

2016 was a perfect display of I want what I want RIGHT NOW or I'm taking my ball and going home immaturity. The ONLY reason anyone knows the name David Hogg is because of a school shooting. Interesting he chose to heap his ire on families of dead kids who sang with D members of congress after THE FIRST GUN LEGISLATION IN FOREVER was signed. Shame, he could have had potential. But then he revealed his own immature nature in a display of spectacular stupidity. He is now relegated to nothing more than an another attention whore who got a little to full of himself. March for life? Nah, march for David Hogg.

[Fiendish Thingy]

42. The timing of that singalong was quite tone deaf

Occurring at the same time as protestors were raging about the overturn of Roe just a block away.

There were other, better options of how to celebrate the signing of the gun bill besides a photo/op singalong.

[inthewind21]

43. Sure

So YOU go tell the parents of dead kids who have been fighting for YEARS they are being tone deaf because they are disrupting you're freak-out. I mean their dead kids aren't worth near as much as ROE right?

[Fiendish Thingy]

48. So, what message was heard with the singalong?

It wasn’t “Hooray! We passed a gun bill!”

The message that was heard was that the Dem leadership doesn’t see women’s choice as a priority.

Numerous Dem legislators did indeed take to the streets to protest the overturn of Roe. It was unfortunate that the passage of the gun bill coincided with the announcement of the SCOTUS ruling. Dem leadership should have been able to adapt to changing circumstances, and shown an awareness of optics.

[inthewind21]

53. What message was heard you ask

Well, for those of us who can walk and chew gum at the same time and know that more than one thing can and will happen on any given day, the message was YAY! FINALLY! on some sort of gun legislation. Even if only small. Now, on to the Roe disaster. To those who can't walk and chew gum at the same time. OMG Fuck the DEMS and their bad optics, don't they know we're more important over here! Like I said, his tantrum is a display in spectacular stupidity. Particularly since he's billed himself as a gun control advocate/activist. And quite frankly, the number of people whining about "optics" and expecting those families to slink away because they were "interfering" with the Roe freak out (which by the way should have come as no surprise to anyone who paid even the slightest bit of attention) is profoundly disappointing, to say the least.

[msongs]

28. and what in his statements is wrong...other than he had the nerve to make them nt

[msongs]

29. and I think he views things as an outsider not involved in the incestuous political world nt

[Willto]

32. Read My Post above

He's naive and ignorant. Easy to bitch and throw stones. Harder to suggest what Democrats could actually do that would pass the Senate.

But by all means let him and those like him wipe their ass with us Democrats. These little impatient frackers couldn't get someone elected hall monitor at a Jr High School without the Democratic party.

[Orrex]

33. Step one: improve their messaging

Republicans are very good at distilling their positions down to three-syllable soundsbytes, to which Democrats respond with five paragraph theses complete with footnotes and cross references and allusions to previous statements. This is and has been a strategy to guarantee failure, and it reveals a fatal lack of understanding of how modern media works.

Step two: stand for something! Republicans can’t shut up about how conservative they are, but how many Democrats celebrate their liberal or progressive credentials.

Granted, Democrats are fighting an uphill battle against the media, which traditionally gives the mic to Republicans, to allow them plenty of time to frame discussions, but that means Democrats need to take an even stronger stand, rather than shrugging while Repugs run circles around them.

[Ursus Rex]

38. +1 nt

like I said, NT

[Hav]

54. So Democrats are unbelievably stupid and incompetent? (n/t)

[Autumn]

35. That's what we get for tolerating free speech in our constitution. Send it to the SC. .

[GoCubsGo]

36. Dear Harvard University,

This is one of your students. Please require him to take a civics course as a prerequisite to any further studies. His education in the Florida school system has left him woefully ignorant about the workings of our government. Also, require him to take a remedial grammar class, so that he understands the difference between "prayed" and "preyed." Thank you very much.

Sincerely,
Those of us who care about him becoming a productive citizen, rather than an ignorant gadfly.

[inthewind21]

41. LOL

[GoCubsGo]

44. Well, I wasn't trying to be funny.

I feel bad for the kid. I get that he's angry, but he's showing a whole lot of ignorance, and it's not helping his cause any.

[inthewind21]

45. I feel bad for him too

But it made me laugh. SO...

[GoCubsGo]

47. Well, glad I could provide a laugh, I guess.

[Hav]

52. Perfect

But to give him some benefit, I remember when I was his age when you tend to believe you have it all figured out. A few years will pass and one is more aware about the limits of one's knowledge. I used to be impressed by his rather rational and pragmatic approach so I'm sure he won't turn into one of those Dem hating grifters.

[W_HAMILTON]

37. What office does he hold in Florida?

None? Oh.

Well, what office is he running for? None again? Oh.

If he thinks he knows better than everyone else, he should stop trying to win likes on the internet and start trying to win votes in real life.

[Texaswitchy]

57. A lot of younger voters are immature.

They vote once and everything is suppose to change over night.

Anyone born in 1965 could vote in 1983.
Almost 40 years of 18 years old voters added to the voting rolls every year.
Where have they been.
Almost 40 years.

Everything wrong is the boomers fault.

I am tired of it.

Look how long it took for the Civil Rights movement to happen.
How many elections.

David needs to grow up.

I am done begging young people to vote.

All the hard work to make America better for everyone means nothing to some people.

I do not need birth control or abortion.

2016 was the turning point.

I really hope this country survives.

[867-5309.]

58. Hopefully an error of youth

I want this young man working with us.

[Texaswitchy]

62. He needs to learn some respect.

Right now I am not that impressed with him.

[jeffreyi]

59. Spelling.

Hard to call someone else incompetent when you misspell "preyed."

[marmar]

60. He's kinda right about the consultants tho