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The bombshell is the Secret Service knew (Original Post) Aviation Pro Jun 2022 OP
Sounds like Pence was right not to trust his Secret Service detail. nt woodsprite Jun 2022 #1
Remember, Trump had and still has a cadre of SS agents who idolize him. Housecleaning needed. nt Samrob Jun 2022 #56
I'm worried for Biden's safety maryellen99 Jun 2022 #2
If I recall,,,, FarPoint Jun 2022 #7
I seem to recall something to that effect as well... SKKY Jun 2022 #8
Biden has been under so much stress FarPoint Jun 2022 #10
Phew. Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #32
More of a worry DENVERPOPS Jun 2022 #14
...with Gen. Flynn leading the charge...he, who had Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #45
Gen. Flynn inthewind21 Jun 2022 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #50
OOPS!!! I stand corrected! Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #51
Remember that someone shot into the White House while Obama was president rurallib Jun 2022 #44
They were probably NOT supposed to do anything about it. LenaBaby61 Jun 2022 #3
USSS is deeply rotten and has been for a long ass time. RockRaven Jun 2022 #4
I remember them piling non-security testimony at Starr's feet during Clinton's persecution. jaxexpat Jun 2022 #9
Well, I knew a friend who had "relations" with several SS agents. They weren't the creme. erronis Jun 2022 #33
Like a lot of police departments. OMGWTF Jun 2022 #38
They no longer care about the safety of the Agents. bottomofthehill Jun 2022 #47
I just have to pick up my jaw from the floor... FarPoint Jun 2022 #5
I knew they did. When Trump got covid and saw the way they were with him LizBeth Jun 2022 #6
Yep. They saw everything every day dalton99a Jun 2022 #11
They did do something. Jirel Jun 2022 #12
And didn't they refuse to remove the metal detectors? Lulu KC Jun 2022 #24
They were MAGAts perhaps? awesomerwb1 Jun 2022 #13
No surprise there Loge23 Jun 2022 #15
+1 2naSalit Jun 2022 #29
+1000 llmart Jun 2022 #35
No question. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2022 #59
past time to clean house, but not too late to fire & prosecute fully bringthePaine Jun 2022 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author dlk Jun 2022 #17
Secret Service is part of Homeland now. bottomofthehill Jun 2022 #46
Yes, exactly dlk Jun 2022 #54
Well, the SS did prevent TFG from entering the Capitol at the head of his armed mob Hekate Jun 2022 #18
Nope, Trump would have lead from the rear! wcollar Jun 2022 #25
Yes. Because Meadows and Cipollone told them they couldn't enact the OTR safely. ancianita Jun 2022 #36
My thinking is DENVERPOPS Jun 2022 #52
Probably that, too. ancianita Jun 2022 #53
Yes, they did. A VERY significant event, but no doubt defendable procedure. Hortensis Jun 2022 #55
Taking orders from the Commander in Chief may be how they saw it. jalan48 Jun 2022 #19
No. WITNESS TAMPERING is the bombshell !! Captain Zero Jun 2022 #20
I agree it is huge, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #23
Yes--THE MOB n/t Lulu KC Jun 2022 #26
There is so much on this giving tree. nt GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #48
FOX is reporting this testimony will change peoples mind. Emile Jun 2022 #21
I thought they did try to do something Lulu KC Jun 2022 #22
They did their only job: protect the president's life Bucky Jun 2022 #43
There was another bombshell at the very end... getagrip_already Jun 2022 #27
Traitor ruins reputations Marthe48 Jun 2022 #31
Mob style is right. Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #34
The old Twitter hashtag #TrumpCrimeFamily was so right on. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2022 #58
Is Engel going to testify? Marthe48 Jun 2022 #28
Hmmm. . . NQAS Jun 2022 #30
Maybe this hearing was a clarion call to others that know that the bell will toll - for them. erronis Jun 2022 #37
IKR? I do like that she wore white which is the color of women's suffrage. OMGWTF Jun 2022 #39
What did they know and moondust Jun 2022 #40
Secret Service has long been, maybe always, a politicized force. MarcA Jun 2022 #41
Blue-backing is hard enough. czarjak Jun 2022 #42
They took him to the West Wing instead of to the front of the mob. TigressDem Jun 2022 #57
Because at least some of them were in on it? renate Jun 2022 #60

SKKY

(11,790 posts)
8. I seem to recall something to that effect as well...
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 01:59 PM
Jun 2022

...I remember thinking it was odd, but after hearing today's testimony, perhaps prescient.

DENVERPOPS

(8,780 posts)
14. More of a worry
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 02:26 PM
Jun 2022

is the concentration of members of the Military who are Trumphumpers, as well as National Guard, Reserves, and through out police dept's across the nation............

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
45. ...with Gen. Flynn leading the charge...he, who had
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 04:09 PM
Jun 2022

Last edited Tue Jun 28, 2022, 04:44 PM - Edit history (1)

to plead the Fifth when asked by Liz Cheney if he believed in the peaceful transition of power.

That is the cornerstone of political belief, and if Flynn couldn't agree to that primary tenet, he is a traitor.


Edited to correct Flynn's name.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
49. Gen. Flynn
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 04:33 PM
Jun 2022

is the one who plead the 5th. Gen Kelly was Trumps 2nd scumbag Chief of Staff, Meadows was COS #4.

Response to inthewind21 (Reply #49)

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
51. OOPS!!! I stand corrected!
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 04:42 PM
Jun 2022

Don't know why, but I always mix up the names Flynn and Kelly, even when referring to personal friends with those names. It's a quirk I can't seem to overcome.

Thanks!
(I'll go back to correct,)

LenaBaby61

(6,972 posts)
3. They were probably NOT supposed to do anything about it.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 01:49 PM
Jun 2022

IS the way I'm reading this. Biden got rid of I think all of those secret service agents that were there with tRump before he became president.

The filth, treason and stench still runs deep within our intelligence agencies and within the higher levels of intelligence that fatso put in there purposely to keep things destabilized, probably because putin probably TOLD tRump to do that.

RockRaven

(14,872 posts)
4. USSS is deeply rotten and has been for a long ass time.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 01:50 PM
Jun 2022

TFG appointed one of his SS detail guys to a political job in the WH. Later, that guy returned to the SS, and was given a job training other agents. That's fucking corrupt.

jaxexpat

(6,786 posts)
9. I remember them piling non-security testimony at Starr's feet during Clinton's persecution.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 02:01 PM
Jun 2022

I thought then that I didn't know how comfortable I'd feel if I had to trust my life to the sentiment for duty shown by such blabbermouths. I felt like they'd betrayed their duty because of their political beliefs.

erronis

(15,160 posts)
33. Well, I knew a friend who had "relations" with several SS agents. They weren't the creme.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:17 PM
Jun 2022

Power goes to the heads of these mainly young men.

Gotta look good and impressive. Lots of fine training. But apparently not screened for stuff like morals or ethics.

bottomofthehill

(8,315 posts)
47. They no longer care about the safety of the Agents.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 04:27 PM
Jun 2022

Covid showed the Service for what it was. The Service leadership let the political structure put their agents in danger and did nothing about it. nothing.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
6. I knew they did. When Trump got covid and saw the way they were with him
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 01:51 PM
Jun 2022

and something else too, can't remember, so much to remember, I knew he had the secret service.

Jirel

(2,004 posts)
12. They did do something.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 02:12 PM
Jun 2022

They refused him. It’s not what they should have done, but it may have been enough.

The question is what was reported through the Secret Service to Pence.

Lulu KC

(2,559 posts)
24. And didn't they refuse to remove the metal detectors?
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:05 PM
Jun 2022

It was a lot to digest, as Judy Woodruff just said.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
15. No surprise there
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 02:29 PM
Jun 2022

I think most of us suspect - and fear - that the federal law enforcement agencies are as infiltrated with anti-democratic scum as your local police department.

Response to Aviation Pro (Original post)

wcollar

(175 posts)
25. Nope, Trump would have lead from the rear!
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:05 PM
Jun 2022

From "The Duke of Plaza Toro"

In enterprise of martial kind,
When there was any fighting,
He led his regiment from behind
(He found it less exciting).
But when away his regiment ran,
His place was at the fore, O-
That celebrated,
Cultivated,
Underrated
Noble man,
The Duke of Plaza-Toro!

ancianita

(35,909 posts)
36. Yes. Because Meadows and Cipollone told them they couldn't enact the OTR safely.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:20 PM
Jun 2022

So Trump tried to fight them in The Beast to make them know he was still the boss. Against his will they still got him back to the White House.

DENVERPOPS

(8,780 posts)
52. My thinking is
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 05:39 PM
Jun 2022

that they wanted him to get away to the White House, so he wouldn't be DIRECTLY connected to this shit storm HE CREATED.....

At that point in time, they were all behind trying to cover his ass !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ancianita

(35,909 posts)
53. Probably that, too.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 05:49 PM
Jun 2022

The other reality is that SS knew of all the weapons, and, charged by their jobs not to drive the prez into a weaponized situation, HAD to turn him around against his will and get him to the White House. He himself wanted to lead that coup, but too many around him couldn't go that far, even as they aided and abetted him up to that point.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
55. Yes, they did. A VERY significant event, but no doubt defendable procedure.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 06:06 PM
Jun 2022

Nevertheless, tRump clearly felt it was critical he be there to provide leadership to a failing effort and this also failed -- he "got into the car."

Bucky

(53,928 posts)
43. They did their only job: protect the president's life
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 04:02 PM
Jun 2022

it sucks, but in the long run you want a Secret Service that sticks to its mandate. They're not normal LEOs.

getagrip_already

(14,581 posts)
27. There was another bombshell at the very end...
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:10 PM
Jun 2022

Textbook descriptions of witness tampering mob style.

He reads the transcripts (yeah, right), and he will know if you still loyal.

Marthe48

(16,876 posts)
31. Traitor ruins reputations
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:14 PM
Jun 2022

have any of the threats escalated to dead bodies? However tenuous the link.

I've been wondering about why people are so scared of traitor and his henchmen.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
58. The old Twitter hashtag #TrumpCrimeFamily was so right on.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 01:35 AM
Jun 2022

Not sure how it works, but it's been long said that a RICO prosecution is in order for crooked 45.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
30. Hmmm. . .
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:12 PM
Jun 2022

Did any Secret Service agents voluntarily provide information to their management or to the Committee on Trump's behavior?

If I were Biden, I would ask the Secret Service for a top-to-bottom assessment of the protective details of himself, the VP and any other executive branch protectees.

erronis

(15,160 posts)
37. Maybe this hearing was a clarion call to others that know that the bell will toll - for them.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:24 PM
Jun 2022

With enough growing circumstantial evidence, prosecutions can proceed even without voluntary cooperation.

I'm guessing this isn't aimed at the known crooks (Trump, Flynn, Giuliani, Bannon, etc.) but at those that might get swept up in their bosses trials.

Still amazes me that someone as obviously capable as Cassidy Hutchinson could still consider herself a repuglicon and want to see someone like trump be in power.

OMGWTF

(3,933 posts)
39. IKR? I do like that she wore white which is the color of women's suffrage.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:32 PM
Jun 2022

But she might have worn it because it's summer in DC.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
41. Secret Service has long been, maybe always, a politicized force.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:39 PM
Jun 2022

And like most law enforcement they tend toward an authoritarian mindset.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
57. They took him to the West Wing instead of to the front of the mob.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:24 AM
Jun 2022

Their job is to protect pRes.

They also made it harder for him to incite violence.

renate

(13,776 posts)
60. Because at least some of them were in on it?
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 01:42 AM
Jun 2022

During the BLM protests they whisked him to safety. (Or for an emergency bunker inspection, which is certainly part of the President’s usual duties and not weird at all.)

They weren’t at all worried about his safety during actual violence. Hmm.

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