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LAS14

(13,780 posts)
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:27 PM Jun 2022

How much should I be reassured?

I've been worrying about the combination of needing to prove the defendant didn't believe he was performing a criminal act and that a jury is made up of our divided citizenry.

But as relates to the riot, his saying words to the effect that they should take down the weapons check stations, because the weapons aren't directed at him. That can't be one of those 'he has to believe' kinds of charges??? Right????

Forget about charges that depend on his believing or not that he won the election. I'm willing to concede that he's so crazy he really did believe that he couldn't lose.

But this riot stuff. This is major!!!!

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How much should I be reassured? (Original Post) LAS14 Jun 2022 OP
How much doubt do you care to sow? ZZenith Jun 2022 #1
Don't understand the word "sow". LAS14 Jun 2022 #3
Could someone explain to me how we never have Miguelito Loveless Jun 2022 #2
In practical terms, it's going to come down to what a reasonable would have believed in that RockRaven Jun 2022 #4
I don't know. How much do you need to be reassured? MineralMan Jun 2022 #5
????? A weird reply to an attempt to start a discussion. nt LAS14 Jun 2022 #6
No, it's not weird at all. MineralMan Jun 2022 #7
Yes, weird. Truly. nt LAS14 Jun 2022 #8

Miguelito Loveless

(4,458 posts)
2. Could someone explain to me how we never have
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:33 PM
Jun 2022

these kinds of discussion when non-rich, non-powerful, non-white people are charged with a crime. The mere fact that they are charged usually suffices for "criminal intent" and "knowing something was a crime".

RockRaven

(14,951 posts)
4. In practical terms, it's going to come down to what a reasonable would have believed in that
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:35 PM
Jun 2022

situation, having seen/been told the same things, having done/said the same things. The jurors are going to have to make an inference, yes, but that is not a barrier to a conviction.

If you think about it, nobody can EVER truly know the defendant's (or anyone's) thoughts/internal experience. But cases that depend on the defendant's state of mind result in conviction every day all over the country.

I'm a lot more worried about non-prosecution decisions by the DOJ/DAs and jury nullification by MAGAts/GrOPers than I am about evidence of intent being available.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
5. I don't know. How much do you need to be reassured?
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:36 PM
Jun 2022

And what happens if you are not reassured? So many questions...

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
7. No, it's not weird at all.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:38 PM
Jun 2022

Truly. This whole thing is a process. It's unfolding nicely.

Just wait. You'll see.

Now, I know that might not reassure you, but that's really not my job.

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