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H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 07:39 PM Jun 2022

Timing

"Observe due measure, for right timing is in all things the most important factor."
-- Hesiod


Timing is everything in making love or war. Donald Trump imagined that there would be portraits of him at the Capital on January 6, in the spirit of George Washington crossing the Delaware. Bad timing.

Today, he is splattering out messages, denying he really knew Cassidy Hutchinson, and everything she testified to today. Again, bad timing.

In many sports, one must practice form, then train to add speed to that form, which results in power. Yet that potential for power depends upon timing. It wasn't just that the great Henry Aaron could swing a bat hard -- he timed those pitches that he knocked out of the stadium. Trump mastered none of these, hence he choked when he stood at the plate of history. Then he threw the plate against the wall.

The January 6 Committee has shown a mastery of form, speed, power, and timing. Although I recognize that advances in technology have added to the appeal of their public presentations, I think these hearings are the very best I've ever seen. Better than Watergate, better than Iran-Contra. And the Senate's Watergate hearings set the bar high.

Today's hearing has been compared already to two of the most important Watergate hearings witnesses, John Dean and Alexander Butterfield. Dean brought the scandal into the Oval Office in his testimony. Butterfield was a surprise witness, who had confirmed that there was a White House taping system three days before his public testimony. when the Committee allowed republican counsel Fred Thompson to ask the key question.

While I like historical comparisons, I think that Cassidy Hutchinson is unique. Dean was testifying with "use immunity," and looking to make a deal with the Department of Justice. Butterfield was an Air Force veteran, who was simply doing the right thing. Hutchinson has had threats to her safety, and will now endure the attacks on her character that the Trump cult is famous for.

Yet there are some interesting post-testimony indicators that things are crumbling for Trump and Mark Meadows. Former chief of staff Muck Mulvaney said Hitchinson is honest, and others must now testify. If a muckraker like Mulvaney is abandoning ship, things are growing far worse after today.

I might disagree with 99% of Hutchinson's social-political views, but I respect what she is doing for this country.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Timing (Original Post) H2O Man Jun 2022 OP
Your presence here is cilla4progress Jun 2022 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #4
THIS malaise Jun 2022 #78
Yes Timewas Jun 2022 #2
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2022 #5
Recommend. kentuck Jun 2022 #3
Have you ever H2O Man Jun 2022 #7
I cut my political teeth at 14 riding my bike home from school so I could Lochloosa Jun 2022 #71
I like your idea that Trump thought there would be a comparison of him with Washington crossing viva la Jun 2022 #6
He was feeling brave H2O Man Jun 2022 #10
K&R - nt Ohio Joe Jun 2022 #8
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #11
K&R with gusto n/t Just_Vote_Dem Jun 2022 #9
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2022 #12
Today was outstanding Saoirse9 Jun 2022 #13
You're right! H2O Man Jun 2022 #14
Won't do any good to attack her Saoirse9 Jun 2022 #15
It might not do H2O Man Jun 2022 #20
She was calm because she was telling the truth Ohioboy Jun 2022 #35
That kind of calm can be a detachment coping wnylib Jun 2022 #38
Good points. I think you are right. Ohioboy Jun 2022 #43
I agree. H2O Man Jun 2022 #50
Emotional detachment when speaking wnylib Jun 2022 #54
Add her recent H2O Man Jun 2022 #49
Even if I were telling the truth Saoirse9 Jun 2022 #72
I'm sure that she has H2O Man Jun 2022 #74
It's so weird that I've lived thru three of these things now ms liberty Jun 2022 #16
Definitely! H2O Man Jun 2022 #22
It's been said that women bring men into the world and they can also take them out of it. littlemissmartypants Jun 2022 #17
Do you think that the cult H2O Man Jun 2022 #23
Have you perused other social media sites today? The rube patrol is calling littlemissmartypants Jun 2022 #32
I have to say H2O Man Jun 2022 #40
Whatever happens, I think she'll be just fine. ❤ littlemissmartypants Jun 2022 #41
THIS malaise Jun 2022 #18
Wasn't it great? H2O Man Jun 2022 #24
I love the discussion about the fact that he was not in the Beast but an SUV malaise Jun 2022 #30
Why the SUV instead of the Beast? wnylib Jun 2022 #39
Apparently Slobby prefers the Suburban version malaise Jun 2022 #57
If asked by the J6, H2O Man Jun 2022 #75
😀😀😀 malaise Jun 2022 #77
This hearing did not introduce dramatic new evidence but confirmed, as an insider what had happened. erronis Jun 2022 #19
I agree, though I do think H2O Man Jun 2022 #26
Great ideas jmbar2 Jun 2022 #21
I agree. H2O Man Jun 2022 #27
I second that Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #25
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #28
True Believer flashman13 Jun 2022 #29
Very well said. H2O Man Jun 2022 #42
I noticed that too. yardwork Jun 2022 #63
Now that's interesting. H2O Man Jun 2022 #65
Thanks, as always! lunatica Jun 2022 #31
Yes. H2O Man Jun 2022 #44
Great essay -- one of your best. Pinback Jun 2022 #33
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #45
I fear for her safety Riverman100 Jun 2022 #34
They are. H2O Man Jun 2022 #46
K and R Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #36
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2022 #47
K&R spanone Jun 2022 #37
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #48
👍🏼 spanone Jun 2022 #51
Finally got a chance to read your comments. TY as always. Today was brilliant TV... Hekate Jun 2022 #52
I'd watched a few H2O Man Jun 2022 #58
You're a shining light. After work, I scroll for your posts first, MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #53
Oh, thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #59
"...splattering out messages" AmBlue Jun 2022 #55
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2022 #61
My only comfort in watching that testimony yesterday AmBlue Jun 2022 #66
I can't remember exactly when, H2O Man Jun 2022 #67
Sadly, it takes time... AmBlue Jun 2022 #68
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2022 #69
I recall AmBlue Jun 2022 #70
Kick and Rec berniesandersmittens Jun 2022 #56
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #62
"Then he threw the plate against the wall." yardwork Jun 2022 #60
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2022 #64
Timing. summer_in_TX Jun 2022 #73
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #76
I believe you are right. summer_in_TX Jun 2022 #79

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
4. Thank you!
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 07:48 PM
Jun 2022

Was today outstanding? It made this cranky old man happy to see evidence that we can turn this attack on sanity around.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
7. Have you ever
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 07:52 PM
Jun 2022

seen anything to compare this to? I can't think of any congressional committe that has done a better job. And it takes a lot to make me respect a Cheney. But Hutchinson is only 25, and that really impresses me. She's my daughters' generation, and I think a lot of them will be a major force in November.

Lochloosa

(16,061 posts)
71. I cut my political teeth at 14 riding my bike home from school so I could
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 04:12 PM
Jun 2022

watch as much of Watergate as possible.

It fascinated me at that age and watching Ms. Hutchinson yesterday brought back a lot of memories.

It's always the one you don't expect that brings down the powerful.

viva la

(3,270 posts)
6. I like your idea that Trump thought there would be a comparison of him with Washington crossing
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 07:48 PM
Jun 2022

Of course, he thought of Congress as the enemy- like the oppressive British Redcoats.
I can imagine him beaming that idiotic smirk of his, envisioning that crappy photoshop of his head on Washington's body in the boat across the Delaware-- and that it would hang in the hall of Congress which HE WAS GOING TO DEFEAT!

They and the VP were going to deprive of him of what he wanted! And that couldn't be!

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
10. He was feeling brave
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 07:57 PM
Jun 2022

when he thought he had hundreds of armed supporters. He is a typical sociopath, and behaved exactly as Dr. Bandy Lee predicted in the interviews I did with her and posted here in 2020. And the same with many of those around him.

I hope today's hearing makes it harder for Pence to remain quiet about January 6.

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
13. Today was outstanding
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 08:07 PM
Jun 2022

Even cynical old me was impressed.

Hutchinson's demeanor was so matter of fact, she was so calm, that I had to replay what she was saying a couple of times. Because if I had to say those things I think I would be crying, or at least a little emotional. I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

I hope they have good security for her.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
14. You're right!
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 08:12 PM
Jun 2022

She's 25 years old, and was that calm and thoughtful on a global stage.

I think that she has good security. But they will attact her character in the most cruel manner they can.

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
15. Won't do any good to attack her
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 08:23 PM
Jun 2022

Others can corroborate her testimony.

They attacked John Dean too, back in the day.

But I am concerned for her personal safety.

I wonder if she was the scheduled witness when they canceled last week and the reason her testimony was delayed was so they could get her some security.

Blockbuster testimony.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
20. It might not do
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:19 PM
Jun 2022

them any good -- indeed, it could backfire in many ways -- but the type of slime they will sling her way will be ugly. Obviously, she is a strong person. But it can be hard to deal with that type of stuff.

I remember that Dean wasn't upset by the anger aimed at him. Being called a rat by the remaining Nixon loyalists was to be expected. But he didn't expect the attacks on his wife, and those did upset him.

There is nothing beyond these cult members. Or Trump. I am convinced that Richard Nixon is looking down from hell, saying, "Trump is a crook," as we speak.

Ohioboy

(3,238 posts)
35. She was calm because she was telling the truth
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:32 PM
Jun 2022

I hope they have good security for her too. She is a hero.

wnylib

(21,335 posts)
38. That kind of calm can be a detachment coping
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:52 PM
Jun 2022

mechanism after a traumatic experience like being eye witness to a violent coup attempt and later being threatened about testifying.

I do not think that it was coincidental that Cheney mentioned threats to witnesses at the end of today's hearing. I believe that Hutchison delayed her testimony because she was threatened, but suspect that her new lawyer gave her advice about reporting the threats as a way to make her more secure. Once the threats are made public, they lose some of their power.

Ohioboy

(3,238 posts)
43. Good points. I think you are right.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:07 PM
Jun 2022

However, I don't think she could maintain the coping mechanism unless she was telling the absolute truth.

She is a true American hero in my book.

wnylib

(21,335 posts)
54. Emotional detachment when speaking
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 01:03 AM
Jun 2022

about a trauma does not affect the ability to tell the truth. I agree that she was being honest.

The detachment of emotions that allows someone to be calm when speaking about a trauma is not something that needs to be consciously maintained. It is almost automatic, the mind's way of protecting itself from something too difficult to relive emotionally.

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
72. Even if I were telling the truth
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 04:28 PM
Jun 2022

I would have been a nervous wreck. And I am 62, used to working under a lot of pressure.

She was either trained well or is preternaturally calm.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
74. I'm sure that she has
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 07:52 PM
Jun 2022

known Liz Xheney for several years, since she was an intern. And Cheney has to be given credit for getting her to testify, fully preparing her, and then questioning in. As I say, I disagree with noth od them on 99% of everything, but I respect this.

ms liberty

(8,558 posts)
16. It's so weird that I've lived thru three of these things now
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 08:37 PM
Jun 2022

I agree that this is the best presentation of all of them. It's definitely the most important of them all. Ms.Hutchinson is a brave young woman, and I'm glad her principles won out.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
22. Definitely!
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:24 PM
Jun 2022

When I talk with young people -- and these days, everyone under fifty is young -- and I start talking about the Senate Watergate hearings, I have to remind myself that they have likely watched little, if any, of the films on youtube. They were intense. Nixon was corrupting the federal government in a series of unethical and criminal ways. But that seems to pale in comparison to the current events.

Ms. Hutchinson is indeed brave. We'll see if any others are.

littlemissmartypants

(22,554 posts)
17. It's been said that women bring men into the world and they can also take them out of it.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 08:38 PM
Jun 2022

Today Ms. Hutchinson did her part. She's a role model for us all.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
23. Do you think that the cult
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:28 PM
Jun 2022

will demand that she be arrested and charged with aborting Trump's potential 2024 campaign? I mean, there are a few cells around the country hoping he will run.

She was simply outstanding today. She made history.

littlemissmartypants

(22,554 posts)
32. Have you perused other social media sites today? The rube patrol is calling
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:55 PM
Jun 2022

Everything she said hearsay. It's a shame that they are too ignorant to be insulted. I believe they're capable of anything. Reprehensible and fearless is a dangerous combination, imo.

She was absolutely remarkable. The country owes Ms. Hutchinson a debt of gratitude.


Thanks for the reply, H. ❤

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
40. I have to say
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:59 PM
Jun 2022

that while I was watching her, it reminded me how important it is to be a good American. To step up when this country needs you to. To step up when history is calling.

I think that the effort to discredit her testimony is going to kick in. And then the effort to destroy her character. They will engage in a Putin-like program to poison her reputation. Yet, she knew that, but it did not stop her from telling the truth. I think that their attacking her will backfire, and perhaps lead to her changing some of her thinking on politics.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
30. I love the discussion about the fact that he was not in the Beast but an SUV
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:48 PM
Jun 2022

Even more, I love that the J6 Committee removed all doubt about that by showing relevant video today 😀😀😀😀

malaise

(268,693 posts)
57. Apparently Slobby prefers the Suburban version
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 05:35 AM
Jun 2022

and it’s easier to manoeuvre. Heard that this was used when he was being driven around Walter Reed with Covid.

erronis

(15,181 posts)
19. This hearing did not introduce dramatic new evidence but confirmed, as an insider what had happened.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:03 PM
Jun 2022

I know some of the statements, especially from the tent behind the speaking podium and in "The Beast" were not well known.

What this testimony did was solidify the fact that that #45 was knowledgeable and complicit in the actions that promoted the insurrection attempt and prevented any significant reaction to quell the violence.

The charges will, at least, include willful obstruction of justice.

He may have walked free from shooting that poor guy on 5th Ave., but he'll rot in jail for trying to act like a mob boss.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
26. I agree, though I do think
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:38 PM
Jun 2022

her description of him in the SUV is fairly dramatic, and shows the general public how out of control he was. It doesn't come as a shock, especially for those who listen to his niece Mary or Dr. Bandy Lee.

It certainly should make the DOJ more likely to prosecute Meadows and Trump. I also hope they target General Flynn and Roger Stone. I looked briefly for a film clip Roger made that day, but haven't found it on youtube. I'll keep looking. But Stone filmed himself, his wife, and a couple others in his hotel room, watching coverage of the insurrection. He said (approximately), "Oh, this is terrible! They are being violent! Quick, gather our things, as we must leave DC." Nothing says "I'm guilty" quite like that weak shit.

jmbar2

(4,860 posts)
21. Great ideas
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:22 PM
Jun 2022

Presented eloquently. Thanks for sharing.

I came away thinking that today might have been the two most important hours in all of TV history. Cassidy broke the logjam. God bless her.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
27. I agree.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:41 PM
Jun 2022

It at very least ranks among the highest level of television's history. She placed herself in the history books. So long as the Trump cult doesn't take control of school boards, this day will be taught in classes.

flashman13

(650 posts)
29. True Believer
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:45 PM
Jun 2022

The writer mentions Hutchinson's social-political views. Remember, she was a true believer. I doubt that she was very politically aware prior to her internship. Whatever she believed, she picked up from the white house. She believed in Trump. In the end, Trump and his sycophant enablers destroyed her belief system, her whole universe. That loss was clearly visible in her demeanor and body language during her various testimonies. I predict, before this is over, many others will have their bubble burst as well.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
42. Very well said.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:06 PM
Jun 2022

I've found it interesting to see her body language in her previous testimony and today. I'm reminded of a young person feeling betrayed by their (former) cult leader.

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
63. I noticed that too.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:39 AM
Jun 2022

I wondered if it was the difference between the more casual feel of a deposition with just a few people in a closed room, with her attorney by her side, vs. testifying to Congress on global TV.

But it could be something more sinister that changed her demeanor, and the fact that she changed attorneys suggests that might be so.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
65. Now that's interesting.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:01 AM
Jun 2022

My understanding -- which could be wrong -- is that her first lawyer had been recommended by Meadows. Then she switched to one associated with Jeff Sessions, who just might hold a grudge against Trump. I think that explains her willingness to testify. But what I think remains a question is why the J6 Committee's leadership determined that there was the urgent need for this unscheduled hearing? Granted, her safety was and is an issue. But I suspect that there is something else rising to the surface ..... possibly related to communications between the DOJ lawyers investigating the insurrection, and the Committe's investigators, who are former DOJ investigators. The DOJ's recent pressing for more JC transcripts and the Committe's response comes to mind. Any thoughts on this?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
31. Thanks, as always!
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:54 PM
Jun 2022

But I fear some MAGAT will decide to shoot Cassie in revenge, or, as he is more likely to claim, for Treason against Trump and the Alternate Constitution! She made enemies today.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
44. Yes.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:10 PM
Jun 2022

That is a possibility. It sounds like witnesses have gotten pressure from the cult, and threats from the cult members. And while she already had enemies among them, there sure as heck are more after today.

But I think the attack will be more on her character. And that is terrible, too. But she appears to be very strong.

Pinback

(12,151 posts)
33. Great essay -- one of your best.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:10 PM
Jun 2022

I agree, as someone who watched the Watergate hearings in real time (at the beach, with my Republican father; fun times!). These have been, to use a favorite Preet Bharara term, crisp and riveting.

And there is more to come!

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
45. Thank you!
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:14 PM
Jun 2022

I remember the Watergate hearings disgusted my father. He had a low opinion of Nixon, but was surprised how he corrupted the office.

While I could be wrong, I think one of the next hearings will focus on the militias' planning. The connections between them, Stone, Flynn, and Meadows testified to today makes me think that this hearing will be explosive.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
46. They are.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:17 PM
Jun 2022

That includes those already making threats. More importantly, it includes those who are thinking the same way, but not leaving a trail.

I think what is more likely is a savage attack on her character.

Hekate

(90,552 posts)
52. Finally got a chance to read your comments. TY as always. Today was brilliant TV...
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:31 AM
Jun 2022

Life is going to be hard for this young woman for awhile, but she has allies. Olivia Troye was at the hearing to show solidarity, and has been in touch. Cass already knows how Olivia was trashed — as OT said, it’s going to be very lonely.

I was not sure if I could even bear to watch these hearings. Living through Trump was worse than living through Nixon (who outraged me) , because I was just so stunned by the speed with which Trump and Trumpistas moved, and I am now a lot older and can see what looks like permanent damage from Trump and from SCOTUS.

Yet I have been riveted to these hearings and to the MSNBC panels. Absolutely riveted. Maybe there is such a thing as hope after all.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
58. I'd watched a few
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:13 AM
Jun 2022

interviews with Olivia Troye before, and saw one of her after Hutchinson testified. Both of these ladies come across as honest. I think that since Troye worked in national security, she knows the dangers the Trump cult both posed and continues to pose. I respect both of them.

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
53. You're a shining light. After work, I scroll for your posts first,
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:57 AM
Jun 2022

Right after any live blogging. I am grateful you are here. 🥰

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
59. Oh, thank you!
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:27 AM
Jun 2022

That is really nice of you to say! I surely do appreciate it.

Back when I worked at the mental health clinic, after a staff meeting, I remember my supervisor encouraging me to speak up more .... she said that I saw things differently than others. I said that I thought the differences were in the sequence I ordered things in, as often a slight shift can change the manner we interpret how various things relate. I suppose that's what I try to contribute here in this community.

AmBlue

(3,103 posts)
55. "...splattering out messages"
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 04:20 AM
Jun 2022

Perfectly apt description! I hope things are indeed crumbling for the orange pustule plaguing this country. It's so long overdue and we need time to recover from this horrific, systemic infection of lies and dangerous delusion perpetrated on us by a madman.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
61. Thanks!
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:36 AM
Jun 2022

Nothing says that Trump was relaxed while watching Ms. Hutchinson's testimony quite like the number of messages he released yesterday, eh?

I should give proper credit where it is due per "splattering" ..... years ago, watching a "true crime" documentary, I saw Neil Young talking about another sociopathic cult leader, Manson. Although Trump is taller and has a different hair style, the two are essentially the same, just having distinct amounts of access to social position. Anyhow, Neil said something to the effect that while most musicians write songs, Charlie splattered them out. As I was writing that line, that popped into my head.

AmBlue

(3,103 posts)
66. My only comfort in watching that testimony yesterday
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:11 AM
Jun 2022

...was the discomfort Trump was feeling, and you just KNOW he is watching. His wall of enablers is crumbling and I cannot wait to see who decides to come spill their guts next.

As to the splattering-- what a great word that is btw, with all the ugly visuals it invokes in this context-- I can easily see the correlation, the utterly sociopathic mindset, and why you would connect Trump and Manson. Nothing is off the table with freaks like them.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
67. I can't remember exactly when,
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:29 AM
Jun 2022

though I think it was around the time Bandy Lee was giving warning, I posted an essay comparing the personality make-ups of Trump and Manson. I did so because it was important to recognize that Trump wasn't just an obnoxious flaming asshole -- though that would be dangerous, indeed -- but because he was/is a specific type of obnoxious, flaming asshole. And as Erich Fromm had documented so well in one of his later books, when that type of sociopath has access to political power, they inflict horrors upon innocent people.

There are also, by no coincidence, parallels in the manner that law enforcement and prosecutors chip away and turn once loyal followers in order to prosecute a Manson then and a Trump now.

AmBlue

(3,103 posts)
68. Sadly, it takes time...
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:49 AM
Jun 2022

... the systematic process by which prosecutors peel back the layers, and with TFG, while we patiently wait, his followers are further emboldened, and so much more national damage is being inflicted.

I have to believe there will come a day that justice will be meted out, but how to undo all the damage that's been done?

I missed your comparison essay, but will go back and hunt it down. I always enjoy your posts. Thank you!

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
69. Thanks!
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:21 AM
Jun 2022

At risk of boring people, I'm tempted sometimes to put the three interviews that I did with Dr. Lee in 2020 together, and re-post them here. What happened on January 6, 2021 was no surprise. We knew it was coming. But the "mainstream" media stopped having her on as a guest by mid-summer 2020.

AmBlue

(3,103 posts)
70. I recall
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:29 AM
Jun 2022

Dr. Lee fell off the media's radar. Please do post links to your interviews here. I would appreciate that very much. Thank you!

berniesandersmittens

(11,343 posts)
56. Kick and Rec
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 04:30 AM
Jun 2022
....he choked when he stood at the plate of history. Then he threw the plate against the wall.



Excellent!

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
60. "Then he threw the plate against the wall."
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:32 AM
Jun 2022

Well said.

And now we wait to see if our democracy is strong enough to sustain this attack by the greedy, the selfish, and the feckless.

These hearings are masterful, but is anybody listening? Unlike with Watergate, we have Fox News telling half the country there's nothing to see here.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
64. Thanks!
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:49 AM
Jun 2022

I think it is one-third of America watching Fox. And another third that is firmly in the Democratic Party. Our mission is to reach the third that isn't aligned with either party, including independents and those who frequently do not vote, as we approach the November elections. I learned that model in sociology way back in the 1970s in college, and I find that it maintains value for winning elections.

I do think that the DOJ was listening yesterday. Though it is not possible to say what if anything new was communicated to them, I do think it made an indictment of Meadows more likely. And I will speculate that Meadow's legal team is already considering how to play their cards to get him the best plea deal. It's one of those things that, while I wish it could take place sooner, I recognize takes time. And that he legal team certainly knows that, the way things are unfolding, Meadows may not have that much time before turning on his master.

summer_in_TX

(2,707 posts)
73. Timing.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 06:43 PM
Jun 2022

An enlightening essay, H2O Man!

Like others before me, I thought it particularly well done, and this bit was positively genius.

Trump mastered none of these, hence he choked when he stood at the plate of history. Then he threw the plate against the wall.


Thanks for kicking off a fascinating discussion.

And I too have deep respect for Cassidy Hutchinson's courage and her poise under the most intensive of spotlights.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
76. Thank you!
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 08:05 PM
Jun 2022

I really like the discussions on DU. Like all cranky old men, I will insist there were more of them here in the old days. (grin) But I think that good discussions have been picking up around here lately.

I also had a good conversation with the campaign manager of Josh Riley, who is running for Congress.Josh is a perfect candidate for my district. Although there are more republicans and independents in the most rural area, he is somebody that we'll get some republican and a lot of independent support for.

The news on Vassidy Hutchinson has been pretty good, in my opinion. I expect some pushback at the edges, followed in insults and lies that accuse her of being of low character. But I think that will backfire. And I think she'll be a Democrat by the age of 30.

summer_in_TX

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79. I believe you are right.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:49 PM
Jun 2022

Cassidy strikes me as an upright young lady who grew up in a conservative family and initially voted the way her parents voted. They probably had political friends who got her connected as an intern in Congress.

She was bright, attractive, the kind of person who would be affirmed and be brought along within that propaganda environment.

We forget what the media environment is like for conservatives, how pervasive, how much it built up The Donald and also ran with the message that his detractors (us awful Dems) were trying to tear him down. That helped cover up the fact that there were huge reasons Dems were so critical, all she probably saw then was that the Fox storyline was true.

People also tend to hold opinions similar to those around them (see PBS's "Hacking Your Mind&quot .

But now she has been busted out of the group think and will quickly discover that RW media is lying about her testimony and the Insurrection and will hopefully diversify her sources. I hope so for all our sakes. We could use more articulate spokespeople with her background who have seen the light.

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