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Conservative legal group wants SCOTUS to rule that Establishment Clause doesn't apply to states (Original Post) In It to Win It Jun 2022 OP
'Congress shall make no law elleng Jun 2022 #1
It's "State" versus "Congress" LeftInTX Jun 2022 #7
They are correct, sadly. But the Constitution does not say Feds have give tax breaks to churches or Samrob Jun 2022 #9
No, they aren't. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2022 #10
+1 In It to Win It Jun 2022 #11
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2022 #2
Well, I guess slightlv Jun 2022 #3
These people hate USA rockfordfile Jun 2022 #4
The same people In It to Win It Jun 2022 #5
They've probably got a case. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #6
14th Amendment mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2022 #8
THANKS for the lesson! elleng Jun 2022 #12

elleng

(130,895 posts)
1. 'Congress shall make no law
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:08 PM
Jun 2022

respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.'

Of course they want to disrupt the entire constitutional jurisprudence of the United States, leading to CHAOS.

LeftInTX

(25,316 posts)
7. It's "State" versus "Congress"
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:21 AM
Jun 2022

They're saying that states can establish religion because they're not congress.


Samrob

(4,298 posts)
9. They are correct, sadly. But the Constitution does not say Feds have give tax breaks to churches or
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jun 2022

any other public funds.

i think a state can do most anything it wants according to the Constitution. This is exactly why we must fight to change it.

slightlv

(2,793 posts)
3. Well, I guess
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:11 PM
Jun 2022

that will let them get around those pesky Pagan religions, eh? Back to the days when you could be jailed for reading the Tarot. (Been there, seen it done.)

In It to Win It

(8,250 posts)
5. The same people
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:48 AM
Jun 2022

that swear to the moon and back that they keep a pocket sized copy of the Constitution next to their heart.

maxsolomon

(33,341 posts)
6. They've probably got a case.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:13 AM
Jun 2022

'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." doesn't explicitly say STATE legislatures can't.

So it must be Constitutional!

Who'll be 1st, Utah?

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,439 posts)
8. 14th Amendment
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jun 2022
incorporation doctrine

Overview

The incorporation doctrine is a constitutional doctrine through which the first ten amendments of the United States Constitution (known as the Bill of Rights) are made applicable to the states through the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Incorporation applies both substantively and procedurally. Prior to the doctrine's (and the Fourteenth Amendment's) existence, the Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal Government and to federal court cases. States and state courts could choose to adopt similar laws, but were under no obligation to do so.

After the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Supreme Court favored a process called “selective incorporation.” Under selective incorporation, the Supreme Court would incorporate certain parts of certain amendments, rather than incorporating an entire amendment at once.

Some argue that Privileges or Immunities Clause is a more appropriate textual basis than the due process clause for incorporation of the Bill of Rights but because Slaughter-House Cases dealing with this clause are surrounded by controversy this theory is not supported by the majority of the court.

As a note, the Ninth Amendment and the Tenth Amendment have not been incorporated, and it is unlikely that they ever will be. The text of the Tenth Amendment directly interacts with state law, and the Supreme Court rarely relies upon the Ninth Amendment when deciding cases.

{snip}

Slaughter-House Cases

{edited to add}

See this too:

Tue Jun 21, 2022: No, the First Amendment is fully incorporated.
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