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Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:05 PM

STOP ALREADY!

The most important part of Hutchinson's testimony was the fact that trump knew the insurrectionists had lethal weapons, said outright that they wouldn't be used on him, wanted the security measures relaxed to enable the criminals to come to the rally and wanted to go to the Capitol to be with them. THAT'S the important part, not Trump's behavior in the SUV or Beast or whatever the hell. We know he's a goddamn psychopath already, and that scenario is totally believable. But let's not feed into the propaganda and lies that are being used to discredit Hutchinson.

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Reply STOP ALREADY! (Original post)
choie Jun 2022 OP
leftieNanner Jun 2022 #1
Auggy74 Jun 2022 #15
Me. Jun 2022 #2
Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #13
area51 Jun 2022 #21
Ford_Prefect Jun 2022 #18
BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #44
Me. Jun 2022 #45
BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #46
Me. Jun 2022 #48
BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #49
mcar Jun 2022 #52
BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #53
mcar Jun 2022 #55
Faux pas Jun 2022 #3
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2022 #26
BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #50
wnylib Jun 2022 #35
Liberal In Texas Jun 2022 #4
SharonClark Jun 2022 #20
GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #5
wishstar Jun 2022 #7
Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #14
crickets Jun 2022 #32
asiliveandbreathe Jun 2022 #11
Demobrat Jun 2022 #25
wnylib Jun 2022 #36
GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #39
madaboutharry Jun 2022 #6
choie Jun 2022 #8
llmart Jun 2022 #9
Ilsa Jun 2022 #28
PJMcK Jun 2022 #10
wnylib Jun 2022 #37
Richluu Jun 2022 #12
ProfessorGAC Jun 2022 #54
littlemissmartypants Jun 2022 #16
SheltieLover Jun 2022 #22
spooky3 Jun 2022 #17
iemanja Jun 2022 #19
Resistance1 Jun 2022 #27
BootinUp Jun 2022 #23
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2022 #24
choie Jun 2022 #47
summer_in_TX Jun 2022 #29
Bucky Jun 2022 #33
SKKY Jun 2022 #30
Bucky Jun 2022 #34
wnylib Jun 2022 #38
herding cats Jun 2022 #40
Duppers Jun 2022 #41
usonian Jun 2022 #31
Progressive dog Jun 2022 #42
obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #43
mcar Jun 2022 #56
mcar Jun 2022 #51

Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:06 PM

1. The Catsup on the wall isn't the story either! nt

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:08 PM

15. Definitely a non-story

He said for four years he was tough on China.

It's our fault for thinking he meant the country and not the crockery.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:12 PM

2. THe SUV Is Important

because it confirms he is a violent man prone to acting out fits of anger. all along the way there has been claims of this, like from his former wife and this confirms it in a pretty graphic way as does throwing plates of food against a wall a fury.

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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:02 PM

13. And the attempted choking

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:32 PM

21. +1 n/t

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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:20 PM

18. It also speaks to his intense expectation to be in on the attack at the Capitol.

He was going to be there to watch and cheer on the mayhem and murder, if not lead it himself.

It was the gory celebration he had planed for himself to empower his rage over losing the election. He wanted to be there to dominate Congress.

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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 08:57 AM

44. The problem is that if the SS agents swear that this never happened, then it casts doubt on her

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testimony. A shame they let her repeat what was essentially gossip.

We all know he is capable of that behavior, but in the long run, only provable truths will stand.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:21 AM

45. Apparently Several Sources Said Onarto Is A Big Liar

see the Tapper tweet for one. And this committee isn't sloppy, I'm willing to bet they have back-up for whatever she said and will reveal it later. What I want to know if that Pete guy was the same one who was supposed to drive Pence away as has been said but no collaboration yet.

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Response to Me. (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:43 AM

46. Anyone who has anything to do with tfg is probably a big liar.

I sure hope they have backup.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:59 AM

48. He Was A Member Of The SS Before tfg Brought Him INto The WH

and the other members of the service considered him an enabler

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Response to Me. (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 03:29 PM

49. Wow, and I used to respect the secret service.

These asshats that worked for tfg...yikes.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 03:34 PM

52. Why would you believe them over someone

who testified publicly, under oath, what she was told?

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Response to mcar (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 03:38 PM

53. And what if THEY testify under oath? Who is lying?

It doesn't matter what or whom I believe.

Doubt will be cast.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #53)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 03:58 PM

55. What if? What if?

She already has testified publicly under oath. Until these others do, their claims are irrelevant.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:12 PM

3. Thank you

now we're arguing about the unimportant BS. That's just what "the others" want us to do. We've gotta get better at playing our game, NOT theirs

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:42 PM

26. No it's just human beings trying to look and understand

every angle. It's an evolution of truths and lies. Why stop people here from trying to figuring that out?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 03:32 PM

50. This. nt

"It's an evolution of truths and lies."

Well said.

You know, I'd think a book was too far-fetched if I read this in a novel lol.

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:09 AM

35. Who's arguing about the SUV in a way that would

divide us or help the opposition? I guess that I have not seen those posts.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:14 PM

4. Yes, the big story is the order to stand-down the magnetometers.

When he was told about the armed insurrectionists. And that he would be OK and to hell with anybody else.

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Response to Liberal In Texas (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:24 PM

20. We'll said.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:19 PM

5. Trump wanting to go to the Capitol actually surprised me. I thought he was too big of

a coward to go.

Hutchinson was very credible. The SS thing is only about what Ornato told her in the presence of Engel. Those two guys will get called back to clarify their testimony. She has no reason to lie about it, maybe they do.

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Response to GoodRaisin (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:28 PM

7. WH aide Alyssa Farrah told Jake Tapper that Ornato lied about June 2020 Lafayatte Sq incident

Alyssa Farrah spoke out in defense of Cassidy Hutchinson and Jake has tweeted that she sees the dispute about the SS incident in the car in light of Ornato having lied before. Implication that he may be lying now in denying having told Hutchinson about Trump's actions in the car.

Farrah said that in June 2020 she told Meadows and Ornato that they needed to warn press to leave Lafayette Sq to prevent injury and they failed to do that. She says that after the attacks on the crowd including press members that Ornato denied she had told them of need to warn press to clear out.

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Response to wishstar (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:04 PM

14. Good observation and connection

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Response to wishstar (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:08 PM

32. Good catch. Thanks for this.

Found the tweet:


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Response to GoodRaisin (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:46 PM

11. Exactly...+1000

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Response to GoodRaisin (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:39 PM

25. Me too

I thought he scurried back to the WH to watch in safety. He must have thought the crowd would do away with Pence so he could get up there and say whatever he wanted.

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Response to GoodRaisin (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:11 AM

36. Agree that she had no reason to lie

about it. Is anyone on DU suggesting that she is lying?

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Response to wnylib (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:54 AM

39. Not that I'm aware of. nt

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:22 PM

6. Wrong.

His alleged behavior in the SUV is important evidence. It points to intent. His explosive conduct, insisting he be taken to the capital indicated his determination to go into the House chamber, along with an armed mob, and seize power. It was part of the coup.

He actually did mean it when he said I am going with you. He wanted to be driven to the Capital to meet up with the insurrectionists.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:30 PM

8. There's an abundance of intent

without the scenario of him blowing up at his driver.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:32 PM

9. +1000

That is the most important thing to remember - that he intended to seize power.

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Response to llmart (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:52 PM

28. Violently. seize power violently. an old-fashioned coup d'etat. nt

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:43 PM

10. His SS team wouldn't take him there

Those agents might be Trumpers but they still protected the President.

They knew it was not safe for him to be at the Capitol. They may be scumbags but they still protected the POTUS.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:14 AM

37. Maybe they were protecting the country more

than Trump. They might have figured out that his determination to be at the Capitol meant that he intended to establish himself as dictator.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 09:46 PM

12. And that Mr. Trump wanted to lead the mob

In an armed coup.

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Response to Richluu (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 03:43 PM

54. If We Believe Him

I believe he said it, but if they had driven him there, i can't envision him actually getting out of the car.
Remember, he was disgusted by their appearance & he was watching it on TV.
The "take me to the Capitol" seems like his typical bluster. Even to his own inner circle.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:11 PM

16. The revelation of the armed insurrectionists in the trees was bone-chilling. nt

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:32 PM

22. Agreed, Pants!

Hru?

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:16 PM

17. Agree. Nt

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:22 PM

19. They haven't denied Trump called for them to let protestors with guns in the rally

that was the most important part of her testimony today.

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Response to iemanja (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:51 PM

27. It should fit very snugly...

When we find out how the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys fit into the planning, preparation, and execution of an armed insurrection.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:36 PM

23. I liked the part about Ghouliani and Midas Meadows

asking for pardons too.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:38 PM

24. Holy cow! We HAVE become apologists and not just simple

Seekers of ALL the truth - wherever that leads

IMHO, there is NOTHING wrong with asking questions! It's an evolving process! Duh.

In my mind, you are telling everyone to stop thinking.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:02 AM

47. Whatever.

n/t

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:56 PM

29. Mark Meadows urgently wanting to go to the Willard Hotel on Jan 5

but finally deciding the safest option was to talk to those meeting there wasn't played up and I feel sure we will get more testimony on the topic another time. But that's the first testimony that I know of that directly connects a senior staff member of Trump's with the coup plotters before the Insurrection.

I include that in important revelations today.

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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:57 PM

33. The real question is who was Meadows on the phone to when he was in that car

He definitely was hiding from Hutchinson whoever he was talking to and whatever he was saying. What did Meadows know and when did he know it?

That's going to take a while. Dollars to donuts he'll be pleading the Fifth on that one

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:56 PM

30. I would even take it a step further, and say we're giving her way, way...

...too much credit. She's a die-hard republican, who witnessed a lot and still kept her mouth shut. She's either trying to mitigate any legal exposure she may have, getting her name out there in preparation for a book, or getting ready for the speaking circuit. Pick whichever one makes you feel better, but it's definitely one of those three. But, at the end of the day, she's not on our side, and we should take her testimony for what it is. Nothing more.

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Response to SKKY (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:00 AM

34. Yes, stay skeptical about this one

I will grant her this: she's brave and she's honest. She's no doubt getting death threats and losing employment opportunities among the corrupt elite. She's technically doing the right thing.

But sure, she wouldn't be Republican if she wasn't preparing to cash in on her fleeting moment of notoriety

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Response to Bucky (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:19 AM

38. I think that she is just a young person who

was idealistic about conservative policies and found herself in a hornet's nest that frightened her and upended her idealism.

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Response to SKKY (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 01:08 AM

40. She's lower echelon going for a book and/or speaking tour.

Her career potential is deeply damaged as things sit at this moment. She's so young and ambitious, and she's trying to balance her values (not a mirror of mine) with her lifetime goals. Her new attorneys are pointing out she has potential to make a name for herself here if she stands our from the other witnesses in the fold.

She was a decent witness, but she's not end all. What she said she actually was witness to is more than enough to make her testimony valuable. The rest was filler, in my opinion. It frustrates me the filler got too much media coverage.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 03:11 AM

41. TY for posting this!

I agree.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:59 PM

31. News to me that he wanted to lead the coup from the podium.

They were so ready for him.

But he didn't show up.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 08:41 AM

42. Thank you.

The important part of Hutchinson's testimony is not in dispute. She told the truth as she knows it.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 08:48 AM

43. Why folks are believing full-throated Trumpers over sworn testimony is weird

Especially since we KNOW the J6 Committee has receipts.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 04:26 PM

56. It's very strange

The J6 committee has been nearly pitch perfect all the way.

Yet here are people on Democratic Underground, if you can believe it, jumping on propaganda by avowed Trump Humpers and being so concerned that the committee has failed.

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Response to choie (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 03:34 PM

51. This +1000!

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