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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKind of can't believe this. Doctors cannot treat ectopic pregnancies now
I had one of these. First is was just devastating and then it got scary but I was under the care of great doctors who followed the pregnancy until it stopped dying (yea that's what happens sometimes) and then gave me a drug to kill it all the way. At the time it was awful because I had to go to the doctor's every other day for them to test my pregnancy hormones.
AND mine were going away. I don't understand why the decrease in pregnancy hormones stopped and if that meant that it would grow again - I have no idea but thinking that another woman in this situation now would not have access to the drug that stopped the pregnancy and they would have to just wait it out - that is abuse!
Someone needs to sue them those damn judges or anyone else that is to blame.
There is a special place in Hell for these sadists.
Jane van Dis MD
@janevandis
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OBGYN Colleague in Missouri We are now observing patients with ectopic pregnancy and hemoperitoneum until they have a documented falling hemoglobin or unstable vital signs
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elleng
(130,126 posts)The State, the Governor, the Hospital, the Doctor.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)give the necessary treatment in a timely manner, the same as before the insane laws, and prove in court that he acted to save the woman's life since the pregnancy was not salvageable. Put an end to the BS
Rhiannon12866
(202,970 posts)wnylib
(21,146 posts)which can't be saved anyway.
Rhiannon12866
(202,970 posts)I read an article back before the last election by Senator Gary Peters from Michigan, explaining why he was pro-choice. Back in the '80s, he and his wife were expecting a much wanted child, but something went wrong and the fetus was no longer viable. His wife desperately needed medical intervention, but no doctor or hospital would help since it was considered an abortion. As the cells deteriorated, she became very ill and could have died until at the last minute they found someone they knew who agreed to the procedure. Not all women would be this "lucky," if you can call nearly dying "lucky."
womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)I had just moved to NC and did not realize I was in a catholic hospital. Fetus died and they would not do a D & C because that was abortion. I almost bled to death.
Rhiannon12866
(202,970 posts)Their antiquated beliefs are more important than saving lives...
LeftInTX
(24,541 posts)They refuse because they want to avoid liability.
Sadly the law is on their side.
They "dump you", thereby terminating the relationship. So in the case of a woman with an ectopic pregnancy, they dump her rather than treat it.
avebury
(10,946 posts)who voted for a bill and Governor who signed it into law for first degree murder. They intentionally passed a bill and signed it into law with the full knowledge that it would result in the deaths of women carrying unviable pregnancies. That is the very definition of pre-meditated murder.
roamer65
(36,739 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,746 posts)"Too bad. You die."
And I suppose Republicans will think that is just okay. I sincerely wish their own wives and daughters will have ectopic pregnancies, and then I want them to say, "It's okay that they die."
BamaRefugee
(3,476 posts)Abusing the old ones gets boring after a while.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,746 posts)Thank you for enlightening me.
sir pball
(4,726 posts)Hopefully they target the lawmakers and not the doctor after their wife bleeds to death screaming.
I'm absolutely, coldly serious.
Demovictory9
(32,320 posts)Rhiannon12866
(202,970 posts)Scrivener7
(50,773 posts)Rhiannon12866
(202,970 posts)Same thing if a fetus becomes non viable. That happened to Senator Peters' (D-MI) wife back in the '80s when something went wrong with her pregnancy. The fetus became non viable and she nearly died since no doctor or hospital would perform the procedure because it was considered an abortion. She became very ill and only survived because someone they knew agreed to the procedure. That's what other women are facing now.
Scrivener7
(50,773 posts)These men hate women, and they keep showing us that.
calimary
(80,693 posts)Thats what it smells like to me.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)calimary
(80,693 posts)AmBlue
(3,079 posts)A young woman I worked with was ectopically pregnant but did not know it. She had had an abortion some weeks previous but, because it was tubal, the D&C missed removing the fertilized egg. However, she believed herself to be no longer pregnant.
I knew nothing of her abortion at that time as it was her private business. Her desk was next to mine and we chatted each morning over coffee as we got revved up for the workday. Not long into one morning, she stood up very abruptly holding her abdomen and the desk to steady herself. I knew from her ashen gray face that something was seriously off. She said, "There's something REALLY wrong with me. All of a sudden I feel really strange." She asked for water which I gave her, but she rapidly felt worse not better.
We had no way to know it then, but at that moment she was hemorrhaging internally. Her tubal pregnancy had grown to the point that her fallopian tube could no longer accommodate the fertilized egg and it ruptured her tube.
I was so scared for her as she initially rejected me calling 911. But as she seemed only to be getting worse I called anyway. While we waited for the ambulance she laid down on the floor of our office and asked me to hold her hand... she said she felt like she was dying. When the ambulance arrived her blood pressure was so low they couldn't transport her without first stabilizing her BP. They worked on her a long while and finally got her into the ambulance. She didn't want to let go of my hand, so I went along into the ambulance. Once there, all of a sudden her BP started crashing again and I was very alarmed they would lose her! One of the EMTs ordered me to the front passenger seat of the ambulance and strapped me in, told me do not move!!
Meanwhile, I craned my neck to anxiously watch them in the rear as we still could not get on our way to the hospital due to her unstable BP. I could tell by their urgent movements they were very concerned for her as well. At that point, they put a pair of rubber pants on her which were then inflated. They later explained this was to keep her heart pumping and force oxygen to her brain. Finally, she was stable enough and they raced to the hospital.
My friend survived her ruptured tubal pregnancy, but just barely. It was a terrifying, life-or-death experience and one that awaits EVERY ectopically pregnant woman who does not receive appropriate intervention in time. Women MUST be able to access appropriate care as ectopics are non-viable and life threatening EVERY time. No exceptions!!
P.S. Besides my friend's story, i myself had two ectopic pregnancies and lost a tube and ovary to the first one. Because of the skill and miraculous talent of my wonderful doctor who saved my only remaining tube and ovary, I was able to have two normal pregnancies later on. I have two college age sons today because of the excellent care I received.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)was having a hard time getting pregnant due to endometriosis. She had surgery to remove the endometrial growths and took hormones. They were thrilled when a pregnancy test was positive.
A few weeks later we got an emergency call at the office from the boss's neighbor who was with his wife. She had called for an ambulance and said the wife was on the floor in pain. The boss was out of the office in various locations around town for his work. No cell phones then. We called every place he might be and people drove around Iooking for him. Tracked him down finally. He told us later that it was an ectopic pregnancy and her tube had burst. Extreme loss of BP, bleeding, and infection all had to be treated immediately. She survived, and her doctor said that she could get pregnant again, but would have to be very closely monitored from the start to treat it early if it happened again.
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I have read that endometriosis can make ectopic pregnancies more likely. You do have to be very careful if trying to get pregnant. It entails getting ultrasounds very early to identify the location of the fertilized egg.
Rhiannon12866
(202,970 posts)This is serious business which hasn't been part of the discussion - and it's a life-or-death situation!
AmBlue
(3,079 posts)That's why I shared that story, for people who might not understand just how deadly ectopic pregnancies are. Also, once you've had one ectopic, there is a higher likelihood you'll have another. If your doctor is able to save it, the fallopian tube, once an egg has embedded there, sort of retains a memory and future fertilized eggs will embed there again. I'm sure that there is better medically correct language to describe that, but you get the gist.
The surgery for ectopic pregnancy is no walk in the park either. They cut you open with a "bikini" cut about 6" across and you typically lose your fallopian tube because the fertilized egg does too much damage to save it.
It was a bit of a miracle that I was able to have two norrmal pregnancies after my second ectopic. I lived in fear of having another.
Freddie
(9,231 posts)I just wish this country would burn to the ground.
Brenda
(1,004 posts)I cannot believe how fucking fast this shit is accelerating.
ananda
(28,780 posts)..
Tickle
(2,461 posts)when your vitals crash? They cant do anything until then? This makes zero sense to me 🤦?♀️
AmBlue
(3,079 posts)...your blood pressure crashes--goes very low-- and your heart doesn't have enough blood flowing to pump blood and oxygen to the brain. You can end up having a heart attack or if the brain is deprived of oxygen long enough you'll sustain brain damage.
When you hemorrhage internally, you are literally bleeding out on the inside.
Tickle
(2,461 posts)I'll make a note to be careful what I ask you AmBlue
AmBlue
(3,079 posts)Sometimes the truth is ugly.
spanone
(135,627 posts)AmBlue
(3,079 posts)But make that WITHOUT Roe v. Wade. Everyone needs to have a plan in case they or a loved one has an unviable or unwanted pregnancy. Sadly many will not be able to afford such a plan even if they make one.
Check out cheesepilot on tiktok. He's got a possible plan for some.
AmBlue
(3,079 posts)....would be to identify the location of the pregnancy EARLY and if it's in the tube, it needs to be terminated immediately so it never gets big enough to rupture the tube. The tubal rupture is what causes a person to hemorrhage and potentily to die, and should be avoided at all costs.
Some states are making it so that doctors are legally unable or uncomfortable to terminate ANY pregnancy, and are turning women away--even those with ectopic pregnancies.
This is what the OP is pointing out--some doctors are waiting until the ruptured tube and crashed vitals happen before they will act. Due to the way their state's laws are written. It's insanity, and puts a woman's life in jeopardy unnecessarily.
lastlib
(22,978 posts)We fight fire with fire. Or nuclear fission as needed.
Tree Lady
(11,370 posts)That type of pregnancy.
The only way to save the mother is to take the fetus out. It happens in the beginning so its not far along.
With no exceptions for this or rape I hope it wakes up the young, this could happen to any of them at any time.
What are colleges going to do to solve rape problems they haven't done before?
Hekate
(90,189 posts)But, please just one small request: whats happening inside the fallopian tube is not a fetus but a tiny clump of dividing cells trying to grow in the wrong place, and it can kill the woman in whom it is happening. Calling it a fetus plays into the hands of those who want us to believe every fertilized egg looks like a newborn baby.
I hope your daughter is okay now.
Tree Lady
(11,370 posts)Yes I never know what to call it anymore.
AmBlue
(3,079 posts)It is just a fertilized egg at that point.
NickB79
(19,109 posts)Not as many, but waiting will cost lives.
And even if the woman doesn't die, it sometimes takes a full hysterectomy to stop the bleeding. My coworker's wife had this happen. They have two daughters, and were trying for a boy. She hemorrhaged and almost died. Now they'll never have that son they wanted so badly, because she's sterile.
Unfortunately, it may take a few young women becoming martyrs to wake up those on the fence. It worked in Ireland.
Takket
(21,421 posts)because that is what is happening here.............
dalton99a
(81,065 posts)Goddamn assholes
LAS14
(13,749 posts)They removed one ovary, but, because they were Catholic, didn't remove the other one even though I was scheduled to have my tubes tied the next week.
It's all very confusing.
EndlessWire
(6,373 posts)that MDs had been scrambling to get abortion training while it would still be available, before the betrayal of the Roe v. Wade overturn. They knew it was coming after the leak.
There may come the day when no MD has had the training for the procedure. I just think that no Justice has the medical training to make the decisions they made, which does affect state law and changes what is available for women.
I doubt that they even understand what they did here. The SC, to me, just had a drop in IQ during the Trump years.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,146 posts)...Savita Halappanavar, and the outcry eventually got Ireland to legalise abortion. The USA is being taken in the opposite direction by the Supreme Theocracy.
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The law in force at the time stated that the act of abortion, where there was no immediate physiological threat to the woman's life to continue the pregnancy, was a criminal offence punishable by life imprisonment. Following a ruling of the Supreme Court of Ireland in 1992 now known in Ireland as the X case terminations are allowed under certain circumstances, where "a pregnant woman's life is at risk because of pregnancy, including the risk of suicide". However at the time of Halappanavar's death, there was legal uncertainty regarding the precise circumstances in which this exception to preserve the life of the mother would apply in practice, as the matter had not yet been enacted in legislation.
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Partly in response to the protest movement after the death of Savita Halappanavar, the Irish government introduced the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act 2013. Having passed both Houses of the Oireachtas in July 2013, it was signed into law on 30 July by Michael D. Higgins, the President of Ireland.
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On 20 May 2018, the parents of Halappanavar called for a Yes vote in Ireland's referendum on the repeal of the Eighth Amendment with her father saying, "I hope the people of Ireland will vote yes for abortion, for the ladies of Ireland and the people of Ireland. My daughter, she lost her life because of this abortion law, because of the diagnosis, and she could not have an abortion. She died." On 25 May 2018, the people of Ireland voted Yes to repeal the Eighth Amendment by a margin of 2 to 1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar
The Animator
(1,138 posts)...to the nearest sane state.
Then personally sue each legislator and court justice who made that expense necessary. If there is a way to get insurance companies entangled, I'd love to have their lawyers forced to fight for us for a change.
Maraya1969
(22,441 posts)Or if you just convince doctors that they will be sued until high Heaven if they allow a woman to die while they wait for her organs to fail maybe the doctor just makes that decision.
I don't know much about this
The Animator
(1,138 posts)It would skip the step of having to sue them to recover the medical expense of transporting patients ridiculous distances just to save their lives.
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CaptainTruth
(6,546 posts)Mosby
(16,158 posts)And just treat patients.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Correct?