Another Conversation Ornato Says Never Happened

[Me.]

“Pence told Giebels: "I'm not getting in the car, Tim."

"I trust you, Tim, but you're not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I'm not getting in the car," he said.
The Pences went to a secure underground area to wait out the riot. At the White House, senior official Keith Kellogg reportedly discussed Pence with Tony Ornato, who "oversaw Secret Service movements."

Ornato told Kellogg that Pence's security detail was planning to move him to Joint Base Andrews but Kellogg told Ornato to leave Pence where he was because Pence was determined to stay and finish the job.

Through a spokesperson, Ornato told the book's authors that this conversation did not take place.”

https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-refused-car-secret-service-capitol-riot-book-1610326


THe initial story was in the Leoning/Rucker book.

So who's the liar?

And I'd like to know the name of the agent who was driving the car they wanted Pence to get into.

[agingdem]

1. so everyone's lying except Ornato and Trump?...ok

[PortTack]

5. My thoughts exactly!

[Thomas Hurt]

8. Everyone who has testified under oath is telling the truth until they all step up...

and do the same.

[Meadowoak]

2. Bobby Engle was the driver.

[Me.]

16. Wasn't He THe ONe Who Was In The SUV With tfg?

and considered an enabler of tfg by agents who wasn't on tfg's detail.

[Meadowoak]

24. Yep.

[Meadowoak]

25. He was also supposed to drive Pence, only Pence refused.

[uponit7771]

35. Whoa !!! That's some Godfather shit right there man

[mchill]

3. Thank you for reminding me of this

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I’m getting slammed for putting little pieces like this together and had trouble remembering my sources.

[PortTack]

4. So now this guy is denying two different conversations with two entirely different groups of ppl?

[emulatorloo]

6. K and R

[EarlG]

7. A third person said yesterday that Ornato had disputed something

that they had testified to under oath. They knew it to be true, and they knew Ornato was lying.

Found it: Alyssa Farah testifying about the police clearing Lafayette Square in 2020, as reported by Jake Tapper.

Link to tweet

Former Trump WH Comms director @Alyssafarah says she sees former Trump WH deputy chief of staff (and Secret Service agent) Tony Ornato's reported dispute with Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony he told her the story of Trump lunging at USSS agent Engel through a specific lens...

2/ That lens being that she says she has told the truth under oath to the @January6thCmte only to have Ornato dispute her claim while NOT under oath. This was regarding Farah's testimony about the police clearing of Lafayette Square in June 2020...

3/ Farah says she told the Committee that she told Ornato and Meadows "to give a warning to the press that they’d be clearing the park so members of the press wouldn’t get hurt. He said on the record to reporters it was untrue." But, Farah says, "half a dozen people heard it.”

If Ornato wants to deny all this stuff he should get up there and do it under oath, not via secret sources and spokespeople.

[empedocles]

13. Perhaps ornato/engel considered if trump coup attempt succeeded, they could be

high up - in trump's 'secret police'?

[LymphocyteLover]

40. No doubt. The worst sort of corrupt scumball power hungry creeps

[Hortensis]

22. Very interesting! Agree with that last. Specifically not via Fox. nt

[uponit7771]

36. Ornato will do a Ginni Thomas and claim he doesn't need to appear

[DURHAM D]

9. Ornato is a political operative.

End of story.

[H2O Man]

14. Key point.

[Cracklin Charlie]

10. When I read that excerpt...

I got an image of Meadows calling Pence from the car, and shutting the door in Cassidy’s face.

[Totally Tunsie]

11. Deny, deny, deny.

It's what they do best...other than lying, that is.

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[gratuitous]

12. Why is everyone so mistrustful of Trump administration figures?

Sure, they won't testify under oath, preferring to have their pet reporters leak--I mean, speak for them. But is that so very wrong? Have they ever lied to us before?

[erronis]

42. Us 30-40% just believe in our lord trump. We know the libs are going to hell because........

Doesn't matter - can't convince those libs to become believers. Rapture us away!!!!

[obamanut2012]

15. Bobby Engel was the driver -- for real

We all know some SS and some Caps were in on this.

[Me.]

17. The Same Guy In The SUV With tfg?

no wonder Pence didn't want to get in the car

[2naSalit]

21. +1

He was already aware of whose allegiance the guy was working under.

[Cheezoholic]

20. How could Engel be driving 2 cars at once?

Engel was in the West Wing when the Pence shit was going down, he drove assholes car back from the rally.

[Me.]

23. We Don't Actually Know The Exact Timeline

and until we do both stories can be true

[Cheezoholic]

28. Its in the trabscripts

2:26 Pence was escorted into the garage. Also The president and the VP each have their own personal SS details that are always with them. Ornato oversaw general SS deployment AND Ornato and Engels were on oranges personal detail. Ornato doing double duty was a huge controversy when he got promoted to do both. Each executives personal details don't intermix.

Rough timeline, I'm driving or could post more

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56004916

[Me.]

31. And Yet, Carol Leoning Told Rachel It Was Engels

who drove tfg an hour earlier

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216865950

[mopinko]

30. strike anyone else that a member of the pres detail was reassigned to the veep in the

middle of a riot? they not only didnt move tfg to a secure location, they sent his driver to pence?
doesnt make sense.

[Me.]

32. Put THem Under Oath

added...https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216868870

[czarjak]

18. IN TRUMP WE TRUST?

[tanyev]

19. Gosh, Tony, you might want to schedule a thorough neurological exam.

Sounds like your remembery isn’t working so good.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

26. Tony Ornato needs to be questioned under oath about this & several other events he's denied.

From reading the above posts, Ornato apparently has a record of denying events that were witnessed by others & sworn to under oath. He sounds like he's an undercover trump operative.

[Me.]

34. Carol Leoning's Conversation With Rachel

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216868870

[uponit7771]

37. +1,

[Marcuse]

39. He's not undercover. He left the SS to be a TFG political appointee.

[Raster]

41. Yes! Ornato has been previously criticized for pandering to trump while in the SS

The SS serve the Office of the President. Ornato seemed to serve tRump, and not the office.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

27. Are these losers still working for secret service ?

Cause it seems like none of them should be working for anybody in the government ever again !

[maxsolomon]

33. Ornato left the SS to work as Deputy COS

Engel was still SS.

[Me.]

38. I Believe Engel Is

Ornato was moved to the admin by tfg

[Me.]

47. IMHO THe SS Could Use A Good Sweep

and yes the driver still works for the SS

[UTUSN]

29. K&R

[JustAnotherGen]

43. Ornato is a known liar

It's not the first time he lied for tfg

[Me.]

45. Just So

2 big liars who area mirror reflection of each other

[kentuck]

44. Ornato seemed very willing to do a lot of the dirty work, didn't he?

Lie about everything, unless you are under oath. Then take the Fifth.

[Me.]

46. THe Problem For Him Is THe Same For All Big Liars

Sooner of later they have told so many to so many that it catches up with tham

[kentuck]

48. They got a taste of the good life.

They got to travel and stay in the most expensive hotels, usually Trump's own, and they became accustomed to the special treatment. In return, they would lie for Mr Trump.

[Me.]

49. "THe Good Life"

I believe you're right. Plus access to the biggest power source in the world. THough staying at Trump hotels may not be a plus. I understand they, from some, that they are shoddy and the food is substandard. They are always being charged with violations for their kitchen.