did third party voters and non voters not care about the courts in 2016?

[pstokely]

but I've heard of a lot those types say HRC would have also appointed the same judges

[TigressDem]

1. WHO said HRC would appoint same judges? As tRump?

Makes no sense.

How would she have even known what rock to dig under to find Amy Coney Barrett?

[TwilightZone]

10. It happened here on DU.

Some were adamant that Clinton would nominate conservative judges. They could never really explain why other than the usual nonsense talking points about corporatism, her speeches, etc.

Most of those people left and went to another website where they bragged about sitting the election out or voting for Trump.

[TigressDem]

13. Ah...

But I am not sure THESE judges would have been her choices.

I did not support her in 2008 because she took money from FAUX news and I believed that was a bad thing and we had other candidates, but as Sec of State she did show up and do what was needed despite all the whining on the REICH about Benghazi.

While the anti-Muslim video may have only inflamed the situation, what it seems like in retrospect is that we were on alert but didn't know the exact target.

[Hekate]

15. It got pretty bad here. You're "not sure" about the judges HRC would've picked? Good gods...

Think about what you are saying. That is what we were up against here. It was a nightmare.

[TigressDem]

17. BUT wouldn't it have been MUCH better if Hillary WON instead of tRump?

She did get the popular vote and was the choice of the people.

She may have very Corporatist for a DEM, but has a lot more scruples and actual ability to lead vs the toddler that got into the White House in 2016.

[we can do it]

20. Are those people still here, we're they embedded trolls?

The russian shit was (is) pretty thick everywhere, especially then.

[Hortensis]

16. Bernie Sanders essentially said that sort of thing at the She the People

Conference where Democratic candidates were invited to answer questions from AA/Black women. This was the 2020 election.

The tRump administration, and Republicans before, had been packing courts across the nation at all judicial levels with hard-core conservatives who use their power to discriminate against AA. This is a very grave problem for all minorities, women included, but none as much as AA.

So the question was what would Bernie do about that if he was elected? His answer was that he would of course "appoint Supreme Court Justices," followed by "Anyway, the Democrats do it too." (With so many, I have no idea why this one stuck in my mind, not special certainly, just repeat a message often enough and people will believe.)

Remember, in both 2016 and 2020 almost every Sanders message every day included some variation of the claim that Democrats were no real alternative to Republicans, almost (really just as) bad, etc. Sanders' surrogates, paid and unpaid, pushed this message constantly with the gloves off and brass knuckles on. They're still at it, of course, interspersed more with concern about our unwillingness to stop the Republicans.

[betsuni]

2. Third party are extremely invested in fantasy that Democrats are same or worse than Republicans.

Especially Hillary "Satan" Clinton. Today I saw those types saying Biden would privatize Social Security and start a war, same as they did with President Obama.

[JI7]

4. The non liberal left . They sympathize with many right wing views

such as being anti women , anti semitic, anti gay etc.

They see republican racists as victims unless they are billionaires.

[betsuni]

6. Voting for Republicans only because Democrats caused economic anxiety

because Bill "Neoliberal" Clinton did a trade deal in the '90s and destroyed manufacturing because of Wall Street or something, and of course coastal elite Democrats being mean to them. Innocent victims!

[TigressDem]

14. Is there really such a thing as "non-liberal left"? I see many levels of progressiveness.

But I don't know any actual DEMs who support racism and think racists are victims somehow.

I know people who are Pro Life AND Pro Choice, ie, might not get an abortion personally due to their religious beliefs, but do not feel comfortable making that choice unavailable for others.

I know many years ago a lot of the world was not as open and accepting of gays as we are now. But most of the people that are "against" them, or women or any specific race have drifted out of the Democratic party over to the ReThugs or Libertarians.

But maybe I am out of the loop.

[JI7]

3. They wanted Roe overturned as revenge for supporting Hillary

and denying their revolution .

[Mariana]

5. Please name some of "those types"

who've said HRC would have also appointed the same judges.

[TwilightZone]

11. Happened here on DU.

Some were adamant that Clinton would nominate conservative judges. They could never really explain why other than the usual nonsense talking points about corporatism, her speeches, etc. Some were Jill Stein supporters - she had made similar claims.

Most of those people left and went to another website where they bragged about sitting the election out or voting for Trump.

[Claustrum]

7. For anyone who says HRC would have appointed the same judges as TFG,

it's pure gaslighting and trying to justifying their stupid vote (or non-vote) back in 2016. Even the most moderate in the democratic party are pro-choice. You only have a handful (I can't even name more than one or two) democrats who are pro-life. Same with marriage equality, it became a common belief among democrats.

And as far as your first question, clearly they didn't care. I, and many on DU, warned about losing the SC seat back in 2016 and quite a lot of those on the far left side who didn't like HRC refused to listen.

[Cosmocat]

8. IMO, people on our side have always misunderstood what the "middle" is in this country

WE know how truly horrible the GOP, republicans and conservatives are, and there is a tendency to just assume that since these people don't overtly identify with Rs, that they see this, too.

That is really not the case. In fact, over the course of time it is pretty clear that they are empathetic to the fascists.

That is why they fell for Reagen's BS and walked away from Jimmy Carter, that is why the were fine with Reagen not being held accountable for Iran Contra, why they were mostly fine with Rs relentless BS against Bill Clinton, why the indugled their fit of fancy and elected a moron, W, over a highly competent and decent man in Gore. Why they fell for the BS that W KEPT US SAFE even after he clearly under estimated the threat of radical muslims and was asleep at the wheel when they slammed plans into the WTC and Pentagon. Why they were fine with him never being held accountable for lying the country into Iraq.

Why they found it perfectly acceptable for republicans to lose their bloody minds and run against THEIR VERSION OF HEALTH CARE REFORM, to give Rs the biggest mid term win in our lives in 2010.

Why they treated Benghazi and Hillary's emails as VERY SERIOUS issues, and ultimately either voted for or sat by while this country elected the most morally and ethically corrupt wanna be authortarian dictator over the, again, decent and highly capable public servant in Hillary.

Its why despite them forever fucking things up, with our Ds most often being solid and effective leaders, we have the generally accepted notions in this country that Rs are better on foreign affairs and are the more fiscally responsible party.

Sorry ... There may be issue by issue polling that these people favor our policy ideas, they mostly are just a less virulent strain of the same people who have disdain for "others" and just are not quite as driven to identify and fight for these things - but, they more routinely vote for Rs, or stand by and allow the to get into power, cause ... LIBERALS (traitors the race).

[TigressDem]

18. I remember THAT!

I was gone for awhile and my posting level got dumped at some point. But I've been on DU off and on since the W years.

The ReThugs demanded the mandate because they didn't want to see universal coverage toppling the healthcare insurance industry.

Why they found it perfectly acceptable for republicans to lose their bloody minds and run against THEIR VERSION OF HEALTH CARE REFORM, to give Rs the biggest mid term win in our lives in 2010.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/health/policy/health-care-mandate-was-first-backed-by-conservatives.html

“I noted the irony of a Republican idea being the source of Republican opposition,” said Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress, a liberal research group, who served in the Obama administration and as the policy director for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign in 2008.

[karynnj]

9. I think many thought Roe was safe as it was established law

I remember many on the right telling NPR that they were repulsed by Trump, but voting for him because of Supreme Court Judges.

There were no comparable comments that I heard on mainstream radio and TV. I do know that many advocates for HRC did speak of the SC at risk and HRC herself did.

[mcar]

12. HRC would have appointed the lying 3?

The 2016 Hillary haters said over and over again that SCOTUS wasn't important. Now, they are continuing in their delusions by saying HRC would have appointed Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Aunt Lydia?

They will go to any lengths to deflect from their responsibility for this SCOTUS.

[Hortensis]

19. Yes, the haters will. We now know why some on the left bear some strong

resemblances to MAGA loyalists. Authoritarianism and intense hostility to their leader's political opponents is not just a RW phenomenon. It's on the left also, mercifully in fewer numbers and seemingly less intense overall.

As for the OP, the "lock-her-up" types cared about what their leader told them to care about. But they were most strongly motivated by excessive loyalty to their leader and hostility to all who weren't with them.

They'll go to any lengths to deny responsibility, all right, but the lengths necessary probably aren't much. We know that MAGA versions are always ready to double down on what they've done.

[mcar]

21. Well said!