Kinzinger hits back at Boebert's church and state remarks: 'We must oppose the Christian Taliban'

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3541255-kinzinger-hits-back-at-boeberts-church-and-state-remarks-we-must-oppose-the-christian-taliban/

Kinzinger hits back at Boebert’s church and state remarks: ‘We must oppose the Christian Taliban’

BY JARED GANS - 06/29/22 11:04 AM ET

Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) on Wednesday criticized comments that Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) made on Sunday in which she called for ending the separation of church and state in the United States.

Boebert said in a speech at the Cornerstone Christian Center in Basalt, Colo., that she is “tired” of the principle and falsely claimed that the Founding Fathers did not intend to keep religion separate from government.

Kinzinger condemned Boebert’s comments and compared them to the views of the Taliban, the militant Islamic fundamentalist group that rules Afghanistan.

“There is no difference between this and the Taliban. We must oppose the Christian Taliban. I say this as a Christian,” he tweeted.

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[bucolic_frolic]

1. Wow. He really does understand it. /nt

[Yoyoyo77]

33. I think he's beginning to understand because this moment is so stark.

[maxrandb]

2. One thing to correct Adam

Please remove the world "Christian" from your description.

There is NOTHING Christian about these people. In fact, they probably wear the Christian Taliban moniker as a badge of honor.

They are FASCISTS!

They are NAZIS!

They are JIHADISTS!

They are about as far from "Christian" as you can get.

If Jesus came to them today, they would try to hang him.

[Mariana]

10. Christians aren't inherently better people than non-Christians.

I appreciate that Kinzinger doesn't engage in bigotry against non-Christians.

[Elessar Zappa]

19. You got that from his post?

[Mariana]

21. If horrible people like Boebert aren't Christians

then they must be non-Christians, by definition, yes? The poster is defining the word "Christian" so as to exclude horrible people like Boebert. Therefore, only non-Christians can be horrible people like Boebert.

That is bigotry against non-Christians.

[cloudboy07]

31. what is Christian about showing hubby's pvt. part's to little girl's ?

[Yoyoyo77]

34. How-about calling them Anti-Christians?

[keithbvadu2]

14. Yes! Political Christians rather than Christians of faith.

[appmanga]

28. I refer to them...

...as the American Taliban because most of those people are about as Christian as a gerbil.

[Magoo48]

30. I'm gonna go with--a fascist asshole is a fascist asshole no matter their brand of origin mythology.

[Scrivener7]

3. We need to begin to refer to this as "Republican Sharia Law." Because the

republiQans have conditioned their followers to know that Sharia law is bad. And this fits the description.

[The Jungle 1]

4. boebert is exactly what our founders wanted to prevent.

Christofascist have attempted to steal our religious freedom in the past. They always lose.
This nation is based on freedom of religion and will stay that way.

[Fla Dem]

8. Not only freedom of religion, but freedom FROM religion.

Our government, and governing MUST be free from religious influence.

[wnylib]

20. As a Christian, I totally agree.

When anyone's freedoms are threatened, then everyone's freedoms are threatened.

Besides, Christianity teaches faith. You can't get faith by force.

[Pepsidog]

5. I guess we need to educate these idiots better and reinforce that the pilgrims of the Mayflower

were a group of around 100 people seeking religious freedom from the Church of England along with other skilled workers and people seeking a new way of life. This is stuff that as a kid in grade school was ingrained into our heads. If you learned nothing else in grade school you should have learned that freedom of religion and separation of church and state is one of the most important, if not more important, than other rights guaranteed under the Constitution. Here’s an idea, how about Dems set up and support colonies of democrats in red states to turn them to blue states. If we are condemned to the rule by the minority and can’t or won’t reform SCOTUS or add DC and Puerto Rico as States then what else can we do. Sounds absurd, I know, but we will never turn many red states unless you have a candidate so dynamic like a Teddy Roosevelt who appealed to both Eastern elites and the rural folks country wide.

[jmowreader]

17. Oh my...

The Pilgrims of the Mayflower were religious extremists whose views were such that they got thrown out of every country in Europe for trying to force their will on everyone else.

We actually had a candidate like you’re talking about. His name is Brian Schweitzer, a former governor of Montana. Both Democrats and Republicans loved the guy. Problem is, he never wanted to leave the state. Schweitzer is pretty much the GOP’s worst nightmare because no one’s ever going to believe an elk hunter wants to take your guns and a farmer doesn’t “understand rural America.” And the fact he looks like a NASCAR team owner - seriously; if you stood Brian Schweitzer and Richard Childress next to each other you’d need name tags to tell them apart - would help us in the Deep South.

[Pepsidog]

22. Sounds like the Pilgrims were not much different than todays religious right. In a more generic

sense, the Mayflower Pilgrims while they may well have been the intolerant, religious zealots, you describe, Americans have been taught to view the Pilgrims as a brave group of people who escaped religious persecution in Europe to seek the freedom to practice their own religion here. I have no doubt that they, like other different religions practiced at the time, were intolerant of other religions. And I agree, Democrats must run more candidates like Schwwitzer, Jon Tester, and hopefully Fedderman wins in Pa. who appeal to both dems and republicans. Democratic Montana Governor Bullock has been able to win in a red state.

[wnylib]

24. The Pilgrims were unpopular in Britain

for their strong reform emphasis because England went Catholic Light with the Church of England reforms and the Pilgrims wanted them to go farther.

State religion was the custom of the times, in Catholic and Protestant countries. (Still officially exists in some European countries). So they pushed for the state religion to go farther in reforms. When the C of E did not, the Pilgrims became Separatists who broke away from the C of E, which was treasonous.

They were not thrown out of every country in Europe. They were welcomed in The Netherlands, but left voluntarily because they wanted to maintain an English cultural identity instead of merging with Dutch culture. Some Separatists and Puritans (not the same thing) went to Protestant German states where they were accepted. Some went to Switzerland.

You are right that they did not believe in freedom of religion. The idea that they came to America to establish it is a myth. They wanted to establish a colony where they could freely, without interference, establish their own community with their own religion. They did not allow other beliefs within their colony.

When the Puritans arrived 10 years after the Pilgrims, they were more numerous and often better off financially. The two colonies merged under Puritan rule and persecuted all people of other religions that tried to settle among them.

Ironically, it was Britain that enforced religious tolerance in the Puritan colonies. When the British colonies needed protection from invasions from New France (Canada), Britain sent soldiers to the colonies and forced the colonies to allow the soldiers to have their own C of E church.

(I learned more about this from genealogy than from classroom courses. There are several Puritans in the family tree. One of them was the first Protestant burned at the stake by Bloody Queen Mary.)

[Pepsidog]

29. Always appreciate learning new things from fellow DU'ers. Thanks

[wnylib]

25. See my #24 below.

[LeftinOH]

6. Boebert won her primary. Her lying nonsense is popular.

[screamcheese]

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[Novara]

7. Finally. Someone in power has the guts to name it for what it is: Xtian Taliban

[cloudboy07]

32. thought I'd never see the day !

Everyone has a right to believe in religion! but don't ram it down other people's throat's ! jeeze , fed with this stuff !

[Happy Hoosier]

9. Boebert's comments need to be plastered to every every GOP candidate....

... the same way "defund the police" was on Democrats.

Paint them with this every chance we get.

[bringthePaine]

11. fuck the christianiban! take away the tax exemptions to kill the problem for good

[Mr. Steve]

12. John Adams

The treaty from the War with Tripoli clearly states that the United States is not based on the christian religion. All conditions written in treaties when ratified become law. Boebert demonstrates her ignorance of our nation and its history as well as her limited imagination and reliance on superstition and ignorance.

[pansypoo53219]

13. tell him to use talibornigan.

[keithbvadu2]

15. We have plenty of people who want to be the Christian Ayatollah of America.

[Trailrider1951]

16. Yes. And Samuel Alito heads that list.

I despise that man!

[Pepsidog]

23. Me too. He can stick his "History and Tradition" BS where the sun doesn't shine. Up until the civil

rights movement American history and traction has been one of oppression. And it looks like, unlike Robert’s view that America is no longer racially divided, we are more divided as ever and heading back to pre-civil war times where State law trumps the constitution. So which southern state will be the first to bring back slavery and whose going to stop them cause SCOTUS won’t.

[Hotler]

18. Strip that church of it's tax status. I my have to call my state rep. and

put that bug in their ear. hmmmmm.

[Marcuse]

26. It really wasn't that long ago.

[Torchlight]

27. These radical christian clerics seem intent on igniting a religious conflict

I wonder if it's a promise of money, or just a weak-mind that drives many of them into becoming jihadists (or maybe they just really dig the album covers of hatecore and white power music).

While I get (on paper, at least) religious fanaticism in and of itself, I don't think I'll ever really understand the mind that wants to revert to the dark ages, deny the Enlightenment, and compel everyone to believe and think as I do.

[screamcheese]

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[appleannie1]

36. If you get rid of the First Amendment, you need to get rid of all the amendments below it.

That means she not only needs to get rid of her guns, she needs to find a new job. If you can't vote, you can't be in Congress.