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With these Supreme Court decisions, if the young people aren't motivated to come out in huge numbers (Original Post) JohnSJ Jun 2022 OP
Democrats are now running against the their political opponent as well as the SCOTUS. OrlandoDem2 Jun 2022 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #4
That is where I am at 100% Cosmocat Jun 2022 #23
absolutely JohnSJ Jun 2022 #8
A large number of people in general, esp. young ones Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #5
Sadly just had that argument with my 23 yo nephew. walkingman Jun 2022 #7
I agree with you (though don't know if it's any more true spooky3 Jun 2022 #14
The problem is inthewind21 Jun 2022 #22
+1 betsuni Jun 2022 #29
Totally agree, but that's a problem Dems can't solve this year. Nt spooky3 Jun 2022 #30
They've got no excuse mcar Jun 2022 #19
I don't disagree with your analyses (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2022 #21
This is what I find flabbergasting. They're literally walking around with information devices. betsuni Jun 2022 #28
Newsflash inthewind21 Jun 2022 #31
True TheRealNorth Jun 2022 #35
I didn't say it was JUST young people. Where did I say that? betsuni Jun 2022 #36
That is the only way to change it. AngryOldDem Jun 2022 #3
+++ JohnSJ Jun 2022 #9
I've always been lukewarm about expanding the Court. AngryOldDem Jun 2022 #13
I agree. It's time to expand the SCOTUS. OrlandoDem2 Jun 2022 #15
Congress can also In It to Win It Jun 2022 #10
Move it to 13 Justices from 9 bottomofthehill Jun 2022 #18
They have to get the message out. In It to Win It Jun 2022 #6
I wish... OneGrassRoot Jun 2022 #11
The "let it all burn down" crowd must realize by now the smoke is coming from their own houses. sop Jun 2022 #12
Explain inthewind21 Jun 2022 #25
Who says it "ALL falls on the shoulders of young people?" Who says "it's all their fault"? Explain. sop Jun 2022 #27
lol inthewind21 Jun 2022 #32
What case is that? Explain. sop Jun 2022 #34
We can now craft an aggressive platform to win back the rights the traitors took away samsingh Jun 2022 #16
This mcar Jun 2022 #17
Age helps...Voting usually begins a few years after college statistically. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #20
Most young people are not paying attention to these things JI7 Jun 2022 #24
Depending on 'the youth vote' is wishful thinking. comradebillyboy Jun 2022 #26
Abortion should be a good motivator. milestogo Jun 2022 #33

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
1. Democrats are now running against the their political opponent as well as the SCOTUS.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:18 AM
Jun 2022

Put the SCOTUS in the damn ballot!

Response to OrlandoDem2 (Reply #1)

Cosmocat

(14,561 posts)
23. That is where I am at 100%
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:16 AM
Jun 2022

quit with the bullshit.

Either people want to live in an chriso-fascist authoritarian idiocracy (and vote R) or a functioning democracy (vote D).

We don't stand a chance to turn this around until all the cards on the table, and sadly, I don't have a lot of confidence that it would work out how we would want if that were to happen, either.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. A large number of people in general, esp. young ones
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:21 AM
Jun 2022

Will conclude since Biden is POTUS, he's responsible.

Fact is, a hell of a lot of people know sweet-fuck-all about how the government works, and don't pay attention to what it's doing anyway. They've heard Roe has gone down, but that's probably about it.

Sorry to be a wet blanket, and I hope to hell I'm very wrong, obviously.

Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #2)

spooky3

(34,428 posts)
14. I agree with you (though don't know if it's any more true
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:44 AM
Jun 2022

for younger people than others). The challenge for Dems is messaging. Can they explain to potential voters WHY certain decisions/votes have occurred, how their lives are affected, and why it’s essential to vote in more Dems to change the trend?

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
22. The problem is
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:14 AM
Jun 2022

Last edited Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:46 AM - Edit history (1)

The fact that the WHY has to be explained in the first place. Most people can't name the 3 branches of government, have no clue WHY the president can't wave a wand and lower gas prices, had no clue WHY the supreme court should have been THE reason to vote in 2016, don't have a clue WHY a 50 + VP majority in the senate can't get anything passed. And on and on and on. At what point, or age does is become the peoples responsibility to know WHY and stop depending on it being spoon fed to them?

mcar

(42,296 posts)
19. They've got no excuse
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:10 AM
Jun 2022

Information, real information, is at their fingertips. They have time to find out. If they choose to not pay attention (but at the same time get themselves all worked up about the latest far left chew toy like student loan debt), that is a choice they are making.

They've got no business blaming one person.

We are in the mess, in no small part because of 2016 GE voters who let themselves believe that a person who had no political experience and was an obvious Russian tool was more qualified to be president than HRC.

I can no longer make excuses for these people.

betsuni

(25,449 posts)
28. This is what I find flabbergasting. They're literally walking around with information devices.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:27 AM
Jun 2022

Young people are recently out of or still in school, they should be used to studying something, doing research. Yet it seems too much to ask to apply those skills to the future of their country because the chew toys that make them angry and emotional are more fun. Emotion over thinking.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
31. Newsflash
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:51 AM
Jun 2022

It's not JUST "the young people". They are an easy target to blame, but at some point, the "older people" need to take their share of the responsibility for this cluster that is happening right now. The REAL problem? It's not my fault, it's all those young people. It's called accountability. And it's not all on the shoulders of the "young". And while I'm at it, define young. Specifically what age group does all this blame fall on?

TheRealNorth

(9,475 posts)
35. True
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 01:37 PM
Jun 2022

It's the older people, in the aggregate, that voted the Republicans in.

But it is frustrating that younger people are not engaged in that it's their future that we are trying to save.

betsuni

(25,449 posts)
36. I didn't say it was JUST young people. Where did I say that?
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 06:39 PM
Jun 2022

I explained why I think they should be better at thinking. Old people get lazy and set in their ways.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
3. That is the only way to change it.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:23 AM
Jun 2022

Get a Dem majority and expand the Court. This imbalance cannot be tolerated for another 30+ years.

SCOTUS has become a huge problem that must be solved.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
13. I've always been lukewarm about expanding the Court.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:39 AM
Jun 2022

Here to say I was wrong. This partisan imbalance is untenable, and unsustainable for a democracy.

In It to Win It

(8,231 posts)
10. Congress can also
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:28 AM
Jun 2022

make certain statutes unreviewable, such as those aimed at climate change and abortion rights... if it wishes to take that path.

bottomofthehill

(8,327 posts)
18. Move it to 13 Justices from 9
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:08 AM
Jun 2022

Have 5 or even 7 hear a case on a lottery system selection.

The fix is in now, let’s fix the fix and make the court work again.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
11. I wish...
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:28 AM
Jun 2022

there was a way to craft a message that reaches everyone, somehow. A unified message blasting TV, social media, and all other forms of media. A message that is NOT seemingly measured, "respecting" the opponents as has always been done when it was politics as usual.

I don't mean a dangerously absurd approach of Trump and MAGA, but a rational yet hair-on-fire campaign making people aware that SHIT IS REAL and those dismantling our rights, our democracy and are lives MUST BE DEFEATED IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS.

Obama's team had a good approach using highly visible celebrities and social media to get out the vote. The Biden Administration really needs to replicate that...somehow.

It just popped into my head the Key and Peele "angry Obama" sketches. Have Olivia Rodrigo and others be "angry Biden" and Biden is there, putting his stamp on the message even if he doesn't have the demeanor which allows him to be so publicly angry.

That's a pretty good idea, if I say so myself.

sop

(10,146 posts)
12. The "let it all burn down" crowd must realize by now the smoke is coming from their own houses.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:34 AM
Jun 2022

"God, guns and gays" should no longer be the rallying cry of the extreme right, young people need to adopt it as their own.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
25. Explain
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:18 AM
Jun 2022

why this ALL falls on the shoulders of young people? Have they had low voter turnout in the past, yes, forever. Yet somehow the country managed to not burn to the ground. But all of a sudden it's all their fault. Is it? Really?

sop

(10,146 posts)
27. Who says it "ALL falls on the shoulders of young people?" Who says "it's all their fault"? Explain.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jun 2022

samsingh

(17,594 posts)
16. We can now craft an aggressive platform to win back the rights the traitors took away
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:56 AM
Jun 2022

that is motivating and we should go further.

i think the right wing needs to be demolished

mcar

(42,296 posts)
17. This
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:06 AM
Jun 2022

I hate to say it, but if young voters don't vote up and down the ballot for Democrats, they are determining their own miserable futures and that of our planet.

I've been out there protesting, working on GOTV, and building a small but enthusiastic group of Democrats-in-a-red-county to do what we can. The majority of us are over age 60.

It's time for young adults to stand up for what they want, instead of just complaining on social media and threatening to not vote*.

*Not all young adults.

comradebillyboy

(10,143 posts)
26. Depending on 'the youth vote' is wishful thinking.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:20 AM
Jun 2022

Why does anybody think young people will behave differently this time?

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