This Planned Parenthood (in MT) Is Now Demanding Proof of Residency for Some Abortions

[WhiskeyGrinder]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/montana-planned-parenthood-demands-proof-of-residency-for-medication-abortions-email-shows

Planned Parenthood of Montana will no longer provide medication abortions for patients from South Dakota, Arkansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma, and will now require proof of residency for the treatment, according to an internal email obtained by The Daily Beast.

In a Thursday morning email to the state’s staff, Montana Planned Parenthood President and CEO Martha Fuller attributed the new rules for non-surgical abortions to the “rapidly changing” legal landscape around the right to choose. The change came less than a week after the Supreme Court overturned the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortions nationwide, raising the prospect of crackdowns by states with harsh abortion bans—and attempts at prosecution across state lines.

The email was first reported on Twitter by journalist Hunter Pauli.

“As a healthcare provider, we must identify and mitigate risks constantly,” Fuller said in the email. “The risks around cross-state provision of services are currently less than clear, with the potential for both civil and criminal action for providing abortions in states with bans. As we move forward, and learn more about risks, we will be offering guidance and implementing any necessary changes in policies and procedures for abortion care.”

This is called "complying in advance" and if you want fascism, it's a great way to get fascism.

[Lovie777]

1. Fight ......

[NoRethugFriends]

2. Planned Parenthood is very corporate

and risk averse and has been for a long time.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. Yep. I tell everyone that if they're going to donate, they need to donate to independent clinics and

funds.

[Hekate]

7. Bull

[WhiskeyGrinder]

8. It's true, I do!

[BunkieBandit]

26. Me too, I donate in circular pattern.

Never in one place.

[NoRethugFriends]

14. Not Bull

Send me a PM if you'd like some personal experience info

[Hekate]

10. How risk averse? So risk averse their doctors have been murdered, staffers maimed, & clinics torched

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. Which Planned Parenthood doctors have been murdered?

Staffers have been murdered, but I don't know of any PP docs. The ones I can think of were all at independent clinics.

[Hekate]

17. Ooo, so "only staffers" That makes it all better then. Read on...

There’s way more than just this — if you bother to look.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/violence-against-abortion-clinics-like-planned-parenthood-hit-a-record-high-last-year-doctors-say-its-getting-worse/

For one of the last abortion doctors in Missouri, harassment, stalking and death threats are a part of regular life. But this year, it's been worse than ever.

Colleen McNicholas, the chief medical officer at Planned Parenthood of the St. Louis Region and Southwest Missouri, is one of many providers who told CBS News they've seen an uptick in violence this year, both against themselves and their clinics. They say the increased harassment has coincided with newly enacted state laws restricting legal abortion and polarizing rhetoric surrounding the procedure.

In interviews with nearly one dozen clinics, including McNicholas's St. Louis Planned Parenthood, providers say the situation is getting worse. In August alone, three young men were arrested for threatening mass shootings against Planned Parenthood facilities. At the home of one of the suspects, authorities seized 15 rifles, 10 semi-automatic pistols, and 10,000 rounds of ammunition during a raid.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

18. Okay but like...all clinics face danger and harassment. What does that have to do with this PP

suddenly acting in a timid way in advance of any move against them, in a way that they themselves admit will affect indigenous people disproportionately?

[Hekate]

6. Bull

[Hekate]

9. How risk averse? So risk averse their doctors have been murdered, staffers maimed, & clinics torched

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch

[Delmette2.0]

4. I am going to guess that they have already talked to the MT AG

To see if he would protect out of state clients like California does. And the answer was NO. PP is just saving those clients from future problems.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. I doubt that very much.

[2naSalit]

15. It wasn't like they had any need...

To consult with our fascist AG, he'll be hunting down out of staters if asked.

[Delmette2.0]

19. Ok we know that our AG is not sympathetic to women.

My statement was just a guess.

At least the out of state women have been warned.

[2naSalit]

20. I wasn't arguing with you...

At least I wasn't trying to.

[Delmette2.0]

23. Sorry, everything has had me on edge lately.

The supreme court just drops one shot bomb after another.
We will never be rid of the trump stench.



Thanks for understanding.

[2naSalit]

28. Yup...

Me too. It's hard to cope sometimes.

[marybourg]

11. Profile in Courage. Not.

[2naSalit]

16. Take a look at our executive and...

Legislative branches in this state, PP is trying to help people not have problems. Our AG will certainly be hunting down out of staters and assisting any governor or state who wants to prosecute a woman for choosing.

It's a thing here.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. But PP is saying out-of-staters can still come for some abortions; they just have to be surgical,

not a medication abortion.

[2naSalit]

27. I'm sure they have their reasons.

They have to function in a hostile environment and the gov wants to call a special session to try and make it illegal here.

[Solly Mack]

13. K&R

[Scrivener7]

21. Whyyyyyyyyy????

[Ms. Toad]

24. Missosuri and Arkansas make complete sense - less so with South Dakota, and Oklahoma

As to medication abortiosn prescribed by telemedicine, doctors are only permitted to practice medicine in states in which they are licensed. Where they are practicing medicine is dictated by by the location of the patient. For example, at the peak of COVID I needed a second opinion from Texas (one of the few high volume sarcoma centers). I couldn't get one, since I couldn't travel - and their physicians are not licensed in Ohio.

Even though it would have been illegal, they probably wouldn't have gotten caught. That calculation changes dramatically as to a high visibiliity practice like providing abortions.

South Dakota and Oklahoma are members of the multi-state licensing compact, as is Montana, so practicing telemedicine from Montana with residents of South Dakota and Oklahoma is perfectly legal (as long as their physicians participate in the multi-state licensing). It is NOT legal in Missouri or Arkansas (even if it was a run-of-the-mill service - rather than a hot-button one).

The restrictions make far less sense if the patients from those states traveled to Montana for care, rather than being seen remotely for the purposes of getting the prescription.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. Yeah, these aren't about telemedicine abortions. It's about traveling for care.

[Ms. Toad]

29. That wasn't clear from the article -

which expressly mentioned, "The risks around cross-state provision of services are currently less than clear, with the potential for both civil and criminal action for providing abortions instates with bans."

It isn't cross-state unless the patient is in one state and the doctor is in the other, and if the patients are in Montana, they aren't providing abortions "in {a} state wtih {a} ban{};" they are providing an abortion in Montana, a state without a ban. So the only way that sentence makes sense is if the patients are in another state, with a ban.

I can't get back into the article because of the pay wall, but when I initially read it it was not clear they were only addressing travel, rather than telemedicine for the purpose of prescribing abortion pills (or sending abortion pills into those states), and the portion you quoted isn't clear.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

30. It could be argued that "cross state" could refer to a patient taking the pills in front of a doctor

in person in Montana, and the second set outside of Montana.