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skip fox

(19,357 posts)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 11:04 AM Jul 2022

What is the pefect day for Trump to announce his candidacy for president? The Fourth.

Trump is chomping at the bit. Each day of the hearings is driving him even more insane.

Trump knows his support is slipping while DeSantis is increasing his popularity. He probably feels he should announce SOON.

Trump has a pro-wrestling mentality. When would a pro-wrestler announce? When the fireworks are exploding in the sky behind him.

I have a hard time believing that the Fourth is not the day.

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What is the pefect day for Trump to announce his candidacy for president? The Fourth. (Original Post) skip fox Jul 2022 OP
Once Trump announces Miguelito Loveless Jul 2022 #1
Why Do We Always Give Tr**p The Benefit Of The Doubt And..... global1 Jul 2022 #2
I cannot ever recall a crime committed Miguelito Loveless Jul 2022 #6
NEXT: Supreme Court Rules Trump Cannot Be Indicted dalton99a Jul 2022 #3
The Justice Department's policy against "Election Year Sensitivities" would then kick in. sop Jul 2022 #4
You think he will announce a run for senate? Or the house? Ohio Joe Jul 2022 #7
I assume the OP's July 4th date was a bit facetious, I doubt Trump will declare his candidacy then. sop Jul 2022 #13
So... It's a guideline, not a rule... Ohio Joe Jul 2022 #16
Here's the "Election Year Sensitivities" memo. You can judge for yourself: sop Jul 2022 #17
Nothing there shows it kicking in before September of the election year... Ohio Joe Jul 2022 #18
The memo states "near the time of a primary or a general election." That's before September. sop Jul 2022 #19
OK, you win... As soon as tfg announces he is free and clear... Ohio Joe Jul 2022 #20
I'd say February 31st. H2O Man Jul 2022 #5
Hey!! newdayneeded Jul 2022 #9
Right. Okay, February 32nd. H2O Man Jul 2022 #10
Read an article just yesterday claiming the same peggysue2 Jul 2022 #8
Bastille Day? yorkster Jul 2022 #11
Christmas Day Dec 25....Why?..".The Coming of the Savior" Stuart G Jul 2022 #12
Apparently Alex Jones claims Roger Stone told him that. nolabear Jul 2022 #14
No! samplegirl Jul 2022 #15

Miguelito Loveless

(4,465 posts)
1. Once Trump announces
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 11:10 AM
Jul 2022

we can kiss goodbye any chance of an indictment. They will be afraid it will look "partisan", and that just cannot be allowed to happen.

global1

(25,242 posts)
2. Why Do We Always Give Tr**p The Benefit Of The Doubt And.....
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 11:14 AM
Jul 2022

an excuse to get out of being held accountable?

A criminal is a criminal is a criminal. It is even worse that this guy was supposedly the president of the U.S..

He must be held accountable. He hosted a coup to steal the election away from Biden.

He's treasonous!!!

How could we let him wiggle out of accountability?

Miguelito Loveless

(4,465 posts)
6. I cannot ever recall a crime committed
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 11:20 AM
Jul 2022

by us common folks where there was so much hand-wringing about the need to prove "criminal intent" and "knowing what you were doing was illegal".

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
3. NEXT: Supreme Court Rules Trump Cannot Be Indicted
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 11:16 AM
Jul 2022

because he has declared himself a perpetual political candidate

"Why, that would be COMMUNISM," wrote Justice Thomas



sop

(10,166 posts)
4. The Justice Department's policy against "Election Year Sensitivities" would then kick in.
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 11:17 AM
Jul 2022

"The policy has remained remarkably similar across administrations. Whether prosecutors read the memo issued in 2008 by Attorney General Michael Mukasey, or 2012 by Attorney General Eric Holder, or 2016 by Attorney General Loretta Lynch, they read virtually similar guidance. All three memos were issued early (March or April) in the election year, bore the same title ('Election Year Sensitivities') and contained the same two sections in the same order: one that addressed the 'Investigation and Prosecution of Election Crimes' and one that addressed the Hatch Act, a federal law prohibiting executive branch employees from engaging in partisan political activity under certain circumstances."

"Those three memoranda all state that Justice Department employees 'may never select the timing of investigative steps or criminal charges for the purpose of affecting any election, or for the purpose of giving an advantage or disadvantage to any candidate or political party.' They also encourage prosecutors to contact the Public Integrity Section of the Criminal Division for further guidance regarding 'the timing of charges or overt investigative steps near the time of a primary or general election.'"

https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-departments-policy-against-election-interference-open-abuse

Ohio Joe

(21,755 posts)
7. You think he will announce a run for senate? Or the house?
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jul 2022

Otherwise, we are not in a presidential election year until 2024... And certainly not near it until Sept, 2024. So... Why would it kick in now?

sop

(10,166 posts)
13. I assume the OP's July 4th date was a bit facetious, I doubt Trump will declare his candidacy then.
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 11:55 AM
Jul 2022

No formal, national deadline exists to declare a run for president. Candidates must meet a variety of state-specific filing requirements, ballot access requirements and deadlines to appear on each state's ballot well in advance of primaries, caucuses, and the general election to get on the election ballot.

The time frame for the DOJ policy is unclear. Normally election season begins after Labor Day, though the "election interference" rule can also apply to the primaries. By the time the DOJ gets around to completing its investigation, convening a grand jury and making a decision whether to prosecute Trump, it could be primary season. And once Trump declares and starts campaigning in the primaries, the rule would probably be enforced at the DOJ.

Ohio Joe

(21,755 posts)
16. So... It's a guideline, not a rule...
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:14 PM
Jul 2022

"And once Trump declares and starts campaigning in the primaries, the rule would probably be enforced at the DOJ."

There is no evidence for this... The guideline has always used September as the cutoff, not for prosecutions or investigations but for announcing investigations, so as not to interfere with the election. This does not mean anything going on would be cancelled. As to it taking effect once an announcement is made, we know that is not true for this DOJ... They just arrested a Michigan GOP gubernatorial candidate, Ryan Kelley.

sop

(10,166 posts)
17. Here's the "Election Year Sensitivities" memo. You can judge for yourself:
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:27 PM
Jul 2022
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/oip/legacy/2014/07/23/ag-memo-election-year-sensitivities.pdf

AG Bill Barr updated the "Sensitivities" memo in 2020:

"Attorney General William Barr has issued new restrictions on opening investigations into politically sensitive individuals or entities, including a requirement that he approve any inquiry into a presidential candidate or campaign."

"Barr outlined the new policies in a three-page memo obtained by NPR as the Democratic primaries are underway and the country gears up for November's presidential vote. The memo was first reported by The New York Times."

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/06/803506238/attorney-general-barr-issues-new-rules-for-politically-sensitive-investigations

(Lawfareblog) "In February 2020, Barr issued a memorandum with a different focus, though he cited the three previous election memoranda approvingly and noted that new requirements for opening sensitive investigations would be 'in addition to all existing policies.'"

"But for all this continuity, ambiguities remain. When does the policy kick in—that is, what constitutes an act 'near the time' of an election? Does that mean 60 days before an election? 90 days? After Labor Day? The exclusion period is not specified, nor would that be a simple thing to do."

https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-departments-policy-against-election-interference-open-abuse

Ohio Joe

(21,755 posts)
18. Nothing there shows it kicking in before September of the election year...
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:36 PM
Jul 2022

Do you have any reason to believe President Biden's DOJ will treat it any different? It also shows that even under Barr it did not preclude any investigation, just the announcement... I see no reason either would change.

Ohio Joe

(21,755 posts)
20. OK, you win... As soon as tfg announces he is free and clear...
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:46 PM
Jul 2022

We'll just disregard all evidence to the contrary because the memo is not specific as to a date and go with that

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
8. Read an article just yesterday claiming the same
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 11:30 AM
Jul 2022

July 4th gives him a dramatic background and provides the symbolism of the Great Leader returning to save the Nation from the leftie hordes.

He gets to raise money for the effort and beat DeSantis to the punch. A twofer!

There's also the belief (according to anonymous sources, of course) that an early announcement would buffer his legal liability, that any indictment would be viewed as a purely political act, thereby minimizing its success.

Just another reminder that The Orange Slug puts himself first in all things.

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