Do we know why the Secret Service would not take Trump to the Capital?

[Tumbulu]

And has the Select Committee found out why they refused his violent demand?

Who made that decision and why?

If the SS was in on this, why didn’t they bring him to the Capital?

Who convinced them that they had to bring him back to the Whitehouse?

[LuckyCharms]

1. Probably simply because no plans were in place to

protect him there?

[forgotmylogin]

42. It was never planned for him to go.

I think she said he was told "The assets are not in place."

[randr]

2. Has the SS denied him other requests?

Did they play a role in keeping the man/child under some control?

[samnsara]

3. someone somewhere said that the security wasnt enuff with all those armed folk

..so maybe driving a car with the prez inside into an armed, angry crowd was the line they wouldnt cross

[Stuart G]

5. That is the total reason.

[leftieNanner]

4. It's possible that they just were unable to secure the area

That's their #1 job. It sounds like Ornato would have been happy to do what TFG wanted, but his superiors may have nixed the idea.

It's possible we may find that out at some point, although the Secret Service is pretty tight-lipped about their methods.

[Tumbulu]

11. It might be illuminating to know who at the top

made this decision and why.

I’m sure the committee knows more about this already, as they so artfully tell the tale in these public hearings.

[bottomofthehill]

21. Ornato was the top of the food chain

He was detailed from the Service to trump. There was no law enforcement able to coordinate the movement, they were all under attack by the Trump goon squad so the movement was nixed

[2naSalit]

29. I am beginning to suspect...

That there might be a special grand jury for each individual Cabinet, staff and Congress member involved.

[Buckeyeblue]

7. It seems odd to me

The secret service isn't supposed to dictate where the president goes. They just keep them safe.

By refusing to take Trump to the capitol did they enact a mini-coup to prevent Trump from being able to pull his off?

[bottomofthehill]

23. Nope, they could not ensure his safety there.

Don’t give them more credit than deserve

[inthewind21]

40. Incorrect

The SS absolutely is there to tell the president no. Always have, always will.

[drray23]

41. no they are supposed to protect the office of the presidency

and by extension, the president . They are not just glorified bodyguards.

[blm]

8. Capitol Police told SS they couldn't clear

the way.

[Tumbulu]

15. Could be, they were already under attack at that point.

[Chainfire]

9. The SS is responsible for his safety above all.

They recognized that he was acting like an idiot and they did their jobs.

[spooky3]

10. Didn't Cipollone tell Meadows and Hutchinson not to allow

Trump to go to the Capitol because he would be accused of every crime in the book? Since they couldn’t persuade Trump maybe they told Secret Service to refuse to take him.

[Tumbulu]

13. That is what I wonder

and perhaps one of the questions they will ask Cipollone.

[leftieNanner]

16. Good Thinking

I used to have a code word (phrase) with my children - so they could ask to do something with a friend in that friend's presence and have me say no because they didn't really want to go.

[spooky3]

17. LOL! Clever kids. :-)

[2naSalit]

32. From Ms. Hutchinson's testimony...

She said it was actually both the "no clearance" and the recognition of the illegality issues.

So I took it as Cippiloni was concerned about the legal issues and Ornato was concerned with the security issues. Also, they must have known that the security was purposely diminished which would made it worse.

I don't think they had any concerns, at the point of denying the idiot his demand to go to the Capitol, other than self preservation. They had already considered whether they needed pardons.

That's what I got out of it. I could be mistaken.

[Effete Snob]

12. There was a riot in progress

I don't think anyone is ever going to want to sit in a hearing room and be asked:

"So, knowing that there were armed rioters in the area, you decided to drive the president into the riot, is that correct?"

And, it's not so much about the president's safety... it would have been about the safety of rioters that they'd end up shooting to get out of the way.

[exboyfil]

19. Didn't stop them when they cleared the way for the Bible photo op

I wonder if the crowd hadn't moved then, might they gone to something more lethal than rubber bullets?

[Effete Snob]

27. Who drove him to that one?

[mobeau69]

30. They walked. Lafayette Park is just across the street from the WH.

[Effete Snob]

31. It was a rhetorical question

Correct. There was nobody to refuse to drive him there. That's the point.

[Pantagruel]

14. No way

TFG could walk up the Capitol steps.

Would kill him faster than a bullet.

[FakeNoose]

39. I think those marble steps are for the tourists

I'm pretty sure there's a side entrance (restricted access) where the VIPs can drive up to the door and go in to use the elevator.

Look at how old some of those Senators and Representatives are. They can't be climbing up those marble steps every day, so there must be another way in.

[RockRaven]

18. The SS knew the crowd was armed, and knew the attack was in progress. Their job is keeping

POTUS safe, and taking him to the site of a attack of a large armed group on a large law enforcement force (also armed) is an obvious no-go.

[arlyellowdog]

20. I saw it on Comedians on Cars Getting Coffee

Joking for sure, but Jerry wanted Pres. Obama to drive off the grounds and the Secret Service held up his hand and said no. Jerry said, “Aren’t you the President? Can’t you just tell them what to do?” And Pres. Obama said something like it doesn’t work that way.

[2naSalit]

34. Heh...

Bill Clinton called it the finest penal facility in the country.

[Fritz Walter]

22. I'm just surprised

That the MAGAts and Q-sheep haven’t blamed Mike Pense for that decision.

At least not yet anyway.

[2naSalit]

35. Don't forget Mike Pants went into hiding...

For months after the term was up, couch surfing with a secret service detail.

[brush]

24. Their duty is to protect the president. They're...

experienced enough to know they protect him in an unpredictable, mob situation.

They're smarter than trump, but that's not saying all the much.

[emulatorloo]

25. Simple. Trump coulda got himself killed in a chaotic non-secure situation like that.

And they themselves could have been killed in a mob violence situation as they tried to protect Trump.

[NQAS]

26. I read that two of the SS agents in question already spoke to the J6 committee

Since Hutchinson was an unexpected public appearance, my guess is that the committee puts credence in her testimony. If the two SS agents said the same thing in the committee, then that would be interesting. If the SS agents said something different, that would be even more interesting.

So, some questions that might never be answered:
If the SS agents said something different from that reported by Hutchinson, has anyone else testified saying the same thing as Hutchinson?
If the SS agents did not in fact testify to the committee, when will they?
Whether or not they testified, did they file any reports on wtf happened? After all, if you're concerned about the president's safety, you don't get him into the car and then stay there, unmoving. Seems pretty risky to me. And not normal behavior? Also, from the videos posted this morning, it looks like there were other SS agents milling about the vehicle. Is milling about a typical SS agent behavior? And surely those other agents saw/heard some of what was going on.
To what extent have the two SS agents mentioned been investigated by the SS and/or by the committee? Political contributions, social media activity, etc. It's been reported that they are MAGA or MAGA adjacent sympathizers. Are they still on the job?

[Effete Snob]

28. We already know what they said

Your questions have already been answered since June 8

They corroborated Hutchinson:


June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

----

Now, that description requires you to imagine driving a car with Trump "taking a different view" on where you should go, as if that was some sort of polite discussion.

Engel already testified that they disagreed on where to go. There is no way that Trump simply said "okay" and sat back.

The lid had been kept on the details of what Engel said.

[Tree Lady]

33. They could have been worried about stray bullets

Not that his people would hurt him on purpose but if a shoot out happened with police he could get in the middle of it.

They knew how many had guns and were doing their job protecting him.

[Marthe48]

36. Maybe the SS knew they'd be torn apart

if they showed up at the overthrow, even with dear traitor in the car. The secret service members represent the government, and no one is safe from the mob.

Going further, pretty sure anyone dressed in a suit or business attire would be a target. Because mob mentality and mob members ignorance. They would have killed any representative they got their hands on.

F**k traitor and his mob.

[brooklynite]

37. From the testimony, there weren't enough SS assets to provide protection.

[NCjack]

38. There could have been armed NeverTrumpers in the crowd.

The SS Agents did not want to fling their bodies into the paths of bullets flying at Trump, as they were not fully committed to the Big Lie. So, they turned around the car and headed back to the West Wing.