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Demovictory9

(32,423 posts)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:16 PM Jul 2022

Breaking -2 Kentucky cops and k9 dog killed. 5 cops injured. Shootout with domestic violence suspect

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10972155/Several-police-officers-wounded-eastern-Kentucky-shooting.html

At least two Kentucky cops and a K9 are killed and five more officers are injured in shootout with domestic violence suspect, 49, who barricaded himself inside home with wife and daughter

Lance Storz, 49, opened fire on deputies in Allen, Kentucky, off US 23, when they tried serving a court-issued warrant on a domestic violence incident on Thursday at around 5 p.m., police said.


Storz, appeared before a judge via video on Friday morning. He has been charged with attempted murder, two counts of murder of a police officer and a first-degree assault on a service animal. A judge has set his bond at $10 million, WKYT reported.
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Breaking -2 Kentucky cops and k9 dog killed. 5 cops injured. Shootout with domestic violence suspect (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jul 2022 OP
more from a reliable source tenderfoot Jul 2022 #1
Let me guess . . . AndyS Jul 2022 #2
So, until he became a 'bad guy with a gun' he was Bettie Jul 2022 #18
It seems to happen rather a lot. nt AndyS Jul 2022 #19
It seems almost like Bettie Jul 2022 #20
👍 AndyS Jul 2022 #21
Reminder: the GrOPers want to make it easier for DVers to get their guns back and/or never RockRaven Jul 2022 #3
Plus, the incidence of domestic abuse is Bettie Jul 2022 #22
I detest that DV has another meaning DVRacer Jul 2022 #27
"Under fire for hours" BeyondGeography Jul 2022 #4
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jul 2022 #5
Yeah.. That's really complicated. 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #13
High capacity clips newdayneeded Jul 2022 #17
"easy access to more powerful guns" MrsCoffee Jul 2022 #32
White shooter taken alive UpInArms Jul 2022 #6
After killing three cops? DFW Jul 2022 #28
That should be the headline. nt Samrob Jul 2022 #31
Allen City is hardcore KY Appalachia. maxsolomon Jul 2022 #7
Looks like he fought to the bitter end. Archae Jul 2022 #8
I guess we can't bring up good guys with a gun when they're outgunned. Vinca Jul 2022 #9
The loss of life is tragic genxlib Jul 2022 #10
Be nice to know what kacekwl Jul 2022 #11
Were any of the guns harmed? Aristus Jul 2022 #12
Anyone besides me see something wrong with serving a warrant on domestic txwhitedove Jul 2022 #14
True. nt ecstatic Jul 2022 #23
They weren't there AkFemDem Jul 2022 #25
Good, thanks for different news link. txwhitedove Jul 2022 #26
Lance P. Storz has prior addresses in the states of Florida, Washington and Oregon. ARPad95 Jul 2022 #15
So glad the SC is preserving gun rights BlueIdaho Jul 2022 #16
And all the SPAWN OF FUCK RON PAUL could say was BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #24
I'm sure that " the families of all those affected" are most grateful for Rand Paul's T&P DFW Jul 2022 #29
Why doesnt Rand Paul buy A better wig..with texture that matches real hair? Demovictory9 Jul 2022 #30

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
2. Let me guess . . .
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:23 PM
Jul 2022

All guns were purchased legally. He was a law abiding citizen right up to the minute a court issued a warrant. Then he wasn't. Like so many other Law Abiding Citizens who, well, you know the drill.

God or somebody save me from law abiding citizens.

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
18. So, until he became a 'bad guy with a gun' he was
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 08:47 PM
Jul 2022

a 'good guy with a gun'...a law abiding gun owner, until he wasn't.

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
20. It seems almost like
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 09:01 PM
Jul 2022

being a 'law abiding gun owner' isn't necessarily a permanent state....weird.

RockRaven

(14,906 posts)
3. Reminder: the GrOPers want to make it easier for DVers to get their guns back and/or never
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:26 PM
Jul 2022

have them taken away in the first place. And who do the cops vote for?

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
22. Plus, the incidence of domestic abuse is
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 09:03 PM
Jul 2022

said to be higher among cops than the general population.

DVRacer

(707 posts)
27. I detest that DV has another meaning
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 09:01 AM
Jul 2022

Since as far back as I can remember it only meant Disabled Veteran. My license plate even is DV-## I know it’s a small thing but it bothers me that it is used shorthand for something else.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
5. People Control, Not Gun Control
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:26 PM
Jul 2022

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
32. "easy access to more powerful guns"
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 01:41 PM
Jul 2022

That's one of the biggest problems and you don't want to address it?

No one needs an AR-15 or massive ammo clips in their home. They just don't. Period.

Wouldn't be so easy to access if we put bans back in place.

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
7. Allen City is hardcore KY Appalachia.
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:36 PM
Jul 2022

Just south of Prestonburg.

Dwight Yoakam's "Readin' Writin' Route 23", about the Appalachian exodus his parents (and dickbag JD Vance's) were part of:

Have you ever been down Kentucky-way
Say south of Prestonburg
Have you ever been up in a holler
Have you ever heard
A mountain man cough his life away
From diggin' that black coal
In those dark mines, those dark mines
If you had you might just understand
The reason that they left it all behind

They learned readin', writin', Route 23
To the jobs that lay waitin' in those cities' factories
They learned readin', writin', roads to the north
To the luxury and comfort a coal miner can't afford
They thought readin', writin', Route 23
Would take them to the good life that they had never seen
They didn't know that old highway
Could lead them to a world of misery

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
9. I guess we can't bring up good guys with a gun when they're outgunned.
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:48 PM
Jul 2022

But let's make sure every living creature in the country has a weapon of war - can't infringe on their personal freedom. Right, ladies?

genxlib

(5,518 posts)
10. The loss of life is tragic
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:58 PM
Jul 2022

But...

The police have the power to change the narrative on the second amendment. If they were to come out for common sense gun control, it could really flip the story. After all, they are on the front line dealing with this crap so they should be first in line to want something done. Speak up now!

Until they do, they will keep on being subject to this kind of violence.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
12. Were any of the guns harmed?
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:41 PM
Jul 2022

We wouldn't want that, in a country where guns have more rights than people.

txwhitedove

(3,926 posts)
14. Anyone besides me see something wrong with serving a warrant on domestic
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:59 PM
Jul 2022

violence issue to the guy while at home...with the family?! WTF? Just takes too long to get him alone, maybe outside the house? Idiots all.

AkFemDem

(1,823 posts)
25. They weren't there
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 11:36 PM
Jul 2022

“The officials said the shooter was alone in the home. Authorities responded to the house for a domestic situation, but Storz’ wife and child were in a safe location before the shooting started and have since been taken to a domestic violence shelter, said Floyd County Attorney Keith Bartley.”

https://www.kktv.com/2022/07/01/multiple-officers-wounded-deadly-kentucky-barricade-situation-authorities-say/?outputType=amp

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
16. So glad the SC is preserving gun rights
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:42 PM
Jul 2022

For motherfuckers like this. How long before law enforcement figures out those who support responsible gun ownership regulations are really on their side?

BumRushDaShow

(128,509 posts)
24. And all the SPAWN OF FUCK RON PAUL could say was
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 09:08 PM
Jul 2022

tots and pears -




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Both @KelleyAshbyPaul and I are keeping the families of all those affected in our thoughts and prayers following this terrible tragedy.
wkyt.com
Man accused of killing 2 officers, shooting 6 others in Floyd County
Lance Storz is facing a list of charges after a violent night that started out as a domestic violence call.
1:30 PM · Jul 1, 2022


And he is against Red Flag laws (notably for domestic violence) for exactly THIS circumstance.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
29. I'm sure that " the families of all those affected" are most grateful for Rand Paul's T&P
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 09:33 AM
Jul 2022

I'm sure that Rand Paul's thoughts and prayers will more than compensate for the sudden loss of a family member.

Right?

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