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Fri Jul 1, 2022, 01:58 PM

There's a solution to high gas prices. Americans will hate it.



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In Europe, *energy company CEOs* are begging for conservation, meanwhile in the US, no one can even ask for carpooling or work from home. Whatever happened to energy conservation?

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There’s a solution to high gas prices. Americans will hate it.
Europe has woven energy conservation into its politics and economics in a way the United States has not. Persistently high prices may change that.
11:43 AM · Jul 1, 2022


https://www.grid.news/story/economy/2022/07/01/theres-a-solution-to-high-gas-prices-americans-will-hate-it/

The solution to high gas prices, to some energy executives, is obvious. But only in Europe.

French energy executives, including the chief executive of Total, one of the world’s largest oil companies, recently sent an open letter for the French people to “collectively take action on energy demand by reducing our consumption.”

Europe depends on natural gas especially for much of its heat and electricity that — although this is likely changing — greatly comes from Russia. The chief executive officer of Shell, which is based in London, said earlier this week that a “turbulent period in the world energy market is coming as Europe tries to replace natural gas that will likely be cut off from Russia.”

In other words, one way to lower energy prices and aid in the Ukraine war effort is to slow demand. Conservation can come in a variety of forms: driving less, lower temperatures in buildings in the winter, carpooling, using public transportation, replacing gas furnaces or working from home. In other words, asking consumers — who have been putting incredible strain on energy resources through surging demand — to use less.

But if Europeans could be eventually forced by Russia to do so, Americans often bristle at the very idea they should consume less.

That’s because Europe — and parts of Asia — have energy conservation and efficiency woven into their politics and economies in a way that the energy-rich United States does not.

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Reply There's a solution to high gas prices. Americans will hate it. (Original post)
Nevilledog Jul 2022 OP
TheRealNorth Jul 2022 #1
uponit7771 Jul 2022 #23
ck4829 Jul 2022 #2
TheRealNorth Jul 2022 #4
Happy Hoosier Jul 2022 #6
ck4829 Jul 2022 #9
Happy Hoosier Jul 2022 #10
exboyfil Jul 2022 #3
Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2022 #14
crickets Jul 2022 #16
TheFarseer Jul 2022 #5
LogicFirst Jul 2022 #7
Happy Hoosier Jul 2022 #8
MichMan Jul 2022 #11
doc03 Jul 2022 #12
A HERETIC I AM Jul 2022 #13
UpInArms Jul 2022 #15
roamer65 Jul 2022 #17
mucifer Jul 2022 #18
Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #20
Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #19
TheRealNorth Jul 2022 #25
rownesheck Jul 2022 #21
jeffreyi Jul 2022 #22
TheRealNorth Jul 2022 #26
Solly Mack Jul 2022 #24
Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #27

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:04 PM

1. A fair amount of people are still working from home...

At least here innthe Twin Cities. So it could be worse.

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 07:26 PM

23. +1, ... and the WFH trend is going to grow even more. People going back to the office will be ..

... the exception not the rule going forward.

It's cheaper to WFH and we don't have the work in city tax burden

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:09 PM

2. It's been beaten into our heads, I think, that consumption is "freedom"

And this goes double for the car.

Fighting over limited parking spaces - Freedom
Driving a compensating hummer - Freedom
Sitting in traffic - Freedom

Taking the bus? That's what poor people do! And. You. Do. Not. Want. To. Be. Or. Even. Look. Poor.

And it's not even about enjoyment, pleasure, fun, knowledge, etc.; you have your thing, someone else doesn't.

"Freedom".

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:11 PM

4. Yup

The movies and TV ads don't show the guy hopping on mass transit getting the girl.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:15 PM

6. To be fair... in my experience using a bus sucks.

Takes forever to get anywhere. Not useful for things like grocery shopping. Not to mention obnoxious assholes everywhere.

But I avoid city living in general. I like to visit cities, but could not stand living in one.

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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:16 PM

9. It doesn't have to be that way

But people would rather have parking lots and garage complexes than bus terminals... because "freedom"

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:18 PM

10. Not sure how buses can ever be convenient for some things.

I know some people adjust their lifestyles to urban living. For me, the concrete jungle is just not a great place to be.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:09 PM

3. It ended when Jimmy Carter put on a sweater

It is our God given right to use as much energy as we can.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:01 PM

14. I've been thinking about President Carter recently...

... because of inflation.

Now Biden needs to address the nation, urging everyone to conserve energy as Carter did, to make me worry even more about an election backlash in 2024.

The media might need to uncover some beer-drinking loudmouth relative of Joe Biden, regularly interviewing him for his drunken input about various issues, to convince even more voters to hate Joe.

Not that I disagree at all with the need to conserve energy, of course.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:20 PM

16. Sadly true.

Jimmy was right about energy conservation and alternative energy sources, but Reagan made sure to squash any of that as soon as he took office. I'm still angry that he removed the solar panels from the White House.

Obama installed new panels:

https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/9/5699946/solar-panels-now-grace-the-roof-of-the-white-house

The original panels were rescued from storage:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carter-white-house-solar-panel-array/

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:11 PM

5. They are letting us work from home

2 days a month specifically to help with gas costs. Better than nothing.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:15 PM

7. ARCO gas this morning in Phoenix: $5.00

On the other hand - QuikTrip was $5.45.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:16 PM

8. The answer is to transition to non-fossil fuel energy sources.

It's not that hard, really.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:41 PM

11. I find myself driving less now that the cost to do so has doubled in the last year.

Surely I'm not the only one conserving that way by eliminating some trips and consolidating others

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:47 PM

12. That is exactly right in 2020 when everything was

shut down oil companies were paying to get rid of their oil.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:50 PM

13. Profit trumps the public good in this country, plain and simple.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:03 PM

15. I do custom crafting for a company

located 50 miles from my home … there are a number of us in my area who do this … once a week, I pick up another person and then we pick up 2 other people’s work and take my car that get 38 mpg … thus, carpooling for 4 … and everyone is happy

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:44 PM

17. There is a solution to high prices AND carbon emissions.

Motor fuel rationing.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:46 PM

18. It's great for people who can do it. I'm a hospice nurse working a large territory BUT,

my prius gets about 50 mpg so that helps some.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:54 PM

20. That in itself is conservation. And I'd imagine you'd be considered an

essential service.

At any rate it's a really impressive service!

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:44 PM

19. But, but, but... that would mean not buying monster pickups. How will

the guys look like real men if they don't have their "Special Ops" package pickup when they're driving to Costco??1???

Hand to God. There is a huge pickup in my parking lot that has "Special Ops" printed in three or four places on the body. So we know about all the special ops the owner is engaging in in the supermarket of our suburban village.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 07:44 PM

25. I saw something like this a week ago....

Except it was something like "Seal Team 6" in a big ass truck that looked like it hadn't seen a hard day of work in its entire life. Of course, ACTUAL members of elite Special Ops don't advertise who they are.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 06:46 PM

21. Our country's motto should be changed to

"Ain't nobody gonna tell me what to do!"

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 07:07 PM

22. Remember 55 mph?

Try it. Makes a huge difference.

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Response to jeffreyi (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 07:46 PM

26. If Biden suggested that....

Heads would explode. Republican governors would up the speed limit by 10 MPH just to "own the libs".

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 07:26 PM

24. The collective good v. the good of me, myself, and I.

In America, we're not all in it together. Too much of the I got mine, you get yours, but I don't really want you to have anything in case you get more than me, so I need to keep you from getting even a little, even though I'll blame you for having nothing.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 07:49 PM

27. American exceptionalism means we don't have to learn anything from other countries...nt

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