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What happened to Co-equal????? (Original Post) Cattledog Jul 2022 OP
SCOTUS is legislating from the bench. New Breed Leader Jul 2022 #1
The one thing that republicans are PatSeg Jul 2022 #22
SCOTUS is saying "We don't need a House or Senate for laws" KS Toronado Jul 2022 #27
Already did the later over 20 years ago. paleotn Jul 2022 #30
I know KS Toronado Jul 2022 #31
On what basis is the Supreme Court considered to be the "dominant branch of government"? PoliticAverse Jul 2022 #2
The court invalidates laws Congress made, then says "it's up to Congress" NullTuples Jul 2022 #3
So there is one thing the repuke congress was able to get done. The Jungle 1 Jul 2022 #8
How many laws does the court invalidate vs how many Congress passes? PoliticAverse Jul 2022 #9
That's lovely on paper. But the Roberts Court knows congress is intentionally broken. NullTuples Jul 2022 #11
The Congress proplem is fixible by voting. And all you need is 50 Senate votes PoliticAverse Jul 2022 #16
yes, that is the solution right now markie Jul 2022 #25
From a strictly medical point of view, women will die; septic uterus, ectopic pregnancy, failure of 2Gingersnaps Jul 2022 #10
I wish I could like your post a thousand times BlueSky3 Jul 2022 #13
The Roberts Textualist Court disagrees with you NullTuples Jul 2022 #14
Judaism was around a lot longer, and most of it says the person ... TreasonousBastard Jul 2022 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author TreasonousBastard Jul 2022 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author paleotn Jul 2022 #26
Strawman alert!!!! Strawman alert!!!! paleotn Jul 2022 #28
The "ship of state" changes its attitude with the wind and tide. jaxexpat Jul 2022 #4
On a sidenote... Montauk6 Jul 2022 #5
Yep EYESORE 9001 Jul 2022 #6
Q: What happened to Co-equal????? A: The Legislative Branch is paralyzed speak easy Jul 2022 #7
Co-equal is an idea not in the Constitution the different branches have different jobs. PoliticAverse Jul 2022 #15
Nobody is arguing against the Separation of Powers. speak easy Jul 2022 #19
Congress went to the store for cigarettes and never came back In It to Win It Jul 2022 #12
Not "Congress". Republicans. JHB Jul 2022 #20
THIS! LoisB Jul 2022 #21
You won't find any disagreement from me on that In It to Win It Jul 2022 #23
An old fight that ain't over. Here's what Lincoln had to say about it.... paleotn Jul 2022 #24
Fine words, all true - and? dwayneb Jul 2022 #29
Agreed. paleotn Jul 2022 #32
they'll be equal again once repukes gets their hands on them Skittles Jul 2022 #33

PatSeg

(53,546 posts)
22. The one thing that republicans are
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 09:17 AM
Jul 2022

always accusing liberal judges and justices of doing - "activist judges". Once again they are full of crap.

KS Toronado

(23,867 posts)
27. SCOTUS is saying "We don't need a House or Senate for laws"
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 09:43 AM
Jul 2022

Next they'll be picking who wins Presidential Elections.

KS Toronado

(23,867 posts)
31. I know
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 10:10 AM
Jul 2022

and now they're gearing up to make the other 2 branches bend to their will. We need to find a way to get
rid of a few, either because of perjury during confirmation hearings or for failing their oath of office
to uphold The Constitution against all enemies foreign & domestic. ie: Thomas

Probably best to wait until after the midterms.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. On what basis is the Supreme Court considered to be the "dominant branch of government"?
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 07:52 AM
Jul 2022

And does this person really think it was wrong to invalidate laws against abortion 50 years ago?

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
3. The court invalidates laws Congress made, then says "it's up to Congress"
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:04 AM
Jul 2022

Knowing full well that Addison "Mitch" McConnell has rendered Congress dysfunctional for a dozen years.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
8. So there is one thing the repuke congress was able to get done.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:21 AM
Jul 2022

Massive tax cuts for the rich. They are fascist and they hate American freedom.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
9. How many laws does the court invalidate vs how many Congress passes?
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:21 AM
Jul 2022

If for every 100 Congress passes the court invalidates a couple how is it the dominant branch?

Also the Constitution specifically gives Congress the power to limit the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
16. The Congress proplem is fixible by voting. And all you need is 50 Senate votes
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:32 AM
Jul 2022

to end the filibuster issue.

markie

(24,054 posts)
25. yes, that is the solution right now
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 09:26 AM
Jul 2022

tired of all the people complaining that Biden/Democrats are doing enough... if only they could

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
10. From a strictly medical point of view, women will die; septic uterus, ectopic pregnancy, failure of
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:23 AM
Jul 2022

Body to expel dead fetus. This was not a science based decision. From a theocratic view, we have Separation of Church and State. Not only freedom of religion, but freedom from religion. Also freedom from other people imposing their belief system..

BlueSky3

(733 posts)
13. I wish I could like your post a thousand times
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:26 AM
Jul 2022

I grieve for all the women who will die because they are denied care. We had a friend who had an ectopic pregnancy. Without an emergency procedure, she’d be dead now.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
14. The Roberts Textualist Court disagrees with you
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:27 AM
Jul 2022

I would not be surprised to hear some of the recent additions argue that the first amendment only specifies that the government cannot establish a religion but that doesn't apply to Christianity because it was established long before the USA existed.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
17. Judaism was around a lot longer, and most of it says the person ...
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:44 AM
Jul 2022

doesn't exist until birth.

Response to NullTuples (Reply #14)

Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

paleotn

(22,733 posts)
28. Strawman alert!!!! Strawman alert!!!!
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 09:49 AM
Jul 2022

Invalidation isn't the issue. Stripping away rights prior courts upheld is. Throughout our history, the court has at worst not upheld that rights exist (Dred Scott - chattel, by definition, can't become citizens and, thus, don't have the rights of white citizens), it's never stripped away existing rights. Certainly not for 50% of the population. That is definitely NOT in its job description. Secondly, this ruling isn't based on constitutionality. In fact, it is itself an unconstitutional violation of the separation clause, since at its heart, the court's argument is based on a particularly view of Christianity and nothing more. A particularly fucked up view in my mind.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
4. The "ship of state" changes its attitude with the wind and tide.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:10 AM
Jul 2022

It's only when there's a real chance of sinking does it become inter-cooperative. Otherwise, it steers port or starboard upon the dynamic tension between captain and crew. When the crew and captain agree to consult the "magic eight ball" that's when nobody's at the helm. It's only a matter of time before a sinking emergency again takes the stage. Meanwhile everyone's forgotten the cargo.

Stupid captain, stupid crew, seasick cargo, unnecessary USSC.

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
7. Q: What happened to Co-equal????? A: The Legislative Branch is paralyzed
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:21 AM
Jul 2022

by the bad faith of the GOP and by the filibuster, in equal measure.

For the most part, Congress could address and reverse, the Trump Court's recent decisions by new legislation. In some cases, like Citizen's United, Congress could expand the number of justices. If stacking the Court to overturn a 50 year old precedent is acceptable, then Citizen's United is also fair game.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
15. Co-equal is an idea not in the Constitution the different branches have different jobs.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:27 AM
Jul 2022

If they were actually "co-equal each of the branches would have one vote on everything.

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
19. Nobody is arguing against the Separation of Powers.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:44 AM
Jul 2022

The overreach of the Trump Court is ignoring and subverting the clear intention of enacted legislation.

In It to Win It

(12,809 posts)
12. Congress went to the store for cigarettes and never came back
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:25 AM
Jul 2022

That’s why we don’t have coequal branches anymore.

In It to Win It

(12,809 posts)
23. You won't find any disagreement from me on that
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 09:22 AM
Jul 2022

But at this point, potayto potahto

Republicans broke their half of Congress, therefore all of Congress is broken… for now.

paleotn

(22,733 posts)
24. An old fight that ain't over. Here's what Lincoln had to say about it....
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 09:23 AM
Jul 2022
If the policy of the government, upon vital questions, affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made . . . the people will have ceased, to be their own rulers, having, to that extent, practically resigned their government, into the hands of that eminent tribunal.


dwayneb

(1,107 posts)
29. Fine words, all true - and?
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 09:51 AM
Jul 2022

We can make all the speeches in the world but the real question is - what is the strategy, what is the plan, what are the concrete steps we must take to protect our freedom? I'm not sure I have one, but I know one thing for sure. The quiet, laid back, non-confrontational "hope for change" tactics that the Left has been using for decades is useless in the face of the no limits onslaught from the Fascist Right.

paleotn

(22,733 posts)
32. Agreed.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 10:18 AM
Jul 2022

We need to do all that we can to enshrine reproductive rights in federal law...now!. Get every congress critter on record. Even if it's symbolic at this point, it's one more step in making sure reproductive rights are a focus of this year's midterms. With a few more seats on both houses, we can add it to federal law. And then dare SCOTUS to invalidate it. And if they do, ignore them. Lincoln did on habeas corpus, because in his mind, abiding by the Taney court's ruling would have violated his oath to defend and protect the Constitution in the face of armed rebels. Jackson ignored them for more nefarious reasons, so it's not like there's no precedent.

Same with firearms. Did NY State just sit idly by after SCOTUS invalidated rational gun legislation? Absolutely not. They passed and signed into law additional gun restrictions. Every state and city with the inclination to do so should do the same and keep doing it.

End of the day...long term goal I probably won't see in my lifetime....we need to clearly define the role of SCOTUS. That's been a thorn in the side of the Republic for a long, long time.

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