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In It to Win It

(12,651 posts)
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:08 AM Jul 2022

Watching @PeteButtigieg refuse to step into traps laid for him by standard shallow media

Steve Silberman
@stevesilberman

Watching @PeteButtigieg refuse to step into traps laid for him by standard shallow media framing of complex issues is a beautiful thing. [via @LadyRaynbow]



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Watching @PeteButtigieg refuse to step into traps laid for him by standard shallow media (Original Post) In It to Win It Jul 2022 OP
It should be headline news EVERYWHERE about the 10 yo denied an abortion and not this crap mucifer Jul 2022 #1
He's so sharp! Ocelot II Jul 2022 #2
Absolutely. His replies cut to the heart of the matter with clear, reasonable explanations. Arkansas Granny Jul 2022 #5
Ha ha heh...he is certainly sharp as a whip, if I ever ran across him, I'd just give him my SWBTATTReg Jul 2022 #34
Looks like Chris Wallace took the shade that Totally Tunsie Jul 2022 #3
At some point interstate travel might become an issue, since some states Ocelot II Jul 2022 #6
I understand that, but looking at the portion of the interview Totally Tunsie Jul 2022 #9
Oh, of course he was playing gotcha, trying to get an opinion Ocelot II Jul 2022 #10
Certainly seems that way, doesn't it? Totally Tunsie Jul 2022 #12
Agreed, on Chris Wallace. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #41
There was a time... appmanga Jul 2022 #74
Alternate possibility. summer_in_TX Jul 2022 #70
If they agree to call them plimsoll Jul 2022 #56
Whatever the reason, I'm glad Pete got a chance to provide a model answer for others! flor-de-jasmim Jul 2022 #14
That he did. Totally Tunsie Jul 2022 #15
Another layer you might consider is that Pete & Chasten used IVF & a surrogate to beget their twins Hekate Jul 2022 #58
Because the excerpt is from a 2019 FOX News town hall misanthrope Jul 2022 #67
Pete is gaining valuable experience BlueIdaho Jul 2022 #4
Secretary Pete was my Gen Z kiddo's fave candidate during the primaries. CottonBear Jul 2022 #13
And this Boomer's fave candidate during the primaries... SoFloDenny Jul 2022 #22
I'm also pleased with Biden's performance as President. CottonBear Jul 2022 #24
He was mine too during the primaries. NH Ethylene Jul 2022 #45
Yup, and given how young he is, he's got a long career ahead of him onetexan Jul 2022 #77
I know several life long GOP members who liked him FreeState Jul 2022 #47
Boom! peggysue2 Jul 2022 #7
Yes, it was perfect! ShazzieB Jul 2022 #48
If only the RW fanatics would listen to reasonable talk like that... Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #8
But, but...... MyOwnPeace Jul 2022 #50
Indeed! nt Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #53
He is so good at this. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2022 #11
Pete would make an excellent press secretary. Qutzupalotl Jul 2022 #16
He certainly would! Ocelot II Jul 2022 #37
He nailed it. I think has presidential potential. MLAA Jul 2022 #17
Well done, Pete! crickets Jul 2022 #18
Pete is the sharpest tool in the shed Blue Owl Jul 2022 #19
Exactly! But he doesn't come off as condescending at all renate Jul 2022 #61
Pete is King Roy Rolling Jul 2022 #20
The is no real MSM in this country, just biased infotainment. nt yaesu Jul 2022 #21
it's by far the beast answer to the question I've seen AlexSFCA Jul 2022 #23
Chris Wallace - the new face of CNN. Congratulations. dchill Jul 2022 #25
Goodbye CNN. Boomerproud Jul 2022 #29
I was about to say, where the hell was Chris Wallace where he got to ask these sorts of questions? W_HAMILTON Jul 2022 #63
This was from a Fox News town hall in New Hampshire, May 20, 2019 Celerity Jul 2022 #71
Thank you for that context! W_HAMILTON Jul 2022 #73
Man do I hate that privileged arrogant little KPN Jul 2022 #26
And Chris azureblue Jul 2022 #30
I'd like to see Mayor Pete become President Pete Martin Eden Jul 2022 #27
same here re: my lifetime (I am 74) nt yellowdogintexas Jul 2022 #60
+1 Martin Eden Jul 2022 #65
Ah, Secretary Pete... EndlessWire Jul 2022 #28
K&R Auggie Jul 2022 #31
He never disappoints gulliver Jul 2022 #32
That's a great answer. One of the best I've ever heard. Buckeyeblue Jul 2022 #33
I agree! Secretary Pete is excellent at breaking down Habibi Jul 2022 #35
The most important line in that exchange is MontanaMama Jul 2022 #36
That was two years ago LittleGirl Jul 2022 #38
if he could just teach that 2 step to the rest of the party, mopinko Jul 2022 #39
This is how all democratic politicians need to answer MSM, thoughtfully and with purpose Cozmo Jul 2022 #40
How does Chris Wallace feel he has a right to question the decisions made regarding any abortion Cozmo Jul 2022 #42
Great answer. kacekwl Jul 2022 #43
Is Chris Wallace's middle name really "Zero?" NoMoreRepugs Jul 2022 #44
Damn Pete, that was impressive duckworth969 Jul 2022 #46
Wish he'd asked him what to do about a rogue SCOTUS. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2022 #49
Why Is Wallace Even Asking The TRANSPORTATION Secretary DallasNE Jul 2022 #51
... In It to Win It Jul 2022 #68
Because this was from May 20th, 2019, in New Hampshire, at a Fox News townhall Celerity Jul 2022 #72
The "Five words"... Grins Jul 2022 #52
Great answer. Picaro Jul 2022 #54
Pete really is outstanding Skittles Jul 2022 #55
Chris Wallace..... turbinetree Jul 2022 #57
Pete's response to the traps set by Chris Wallace is BRILLIANT!!! bluboid Jul 2022 #59
Remember when he responded to a question about Trump's tweets by saying, tblue37 Jul 2022 #62
Pete is just brilliant. Calling out Chris Wallace's dumb ass question. Well done! Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #64
Rt💕TY & Pete Buttigieg! Cha Jul 2022 #66
Pete will be president someday budkin Jul 2022 #69
K&R, uponit7771 Jul 2022 #75
My stepdaughter is a rabbi in NY (Long Island) and she is strongly pro-choice as a tenet of her CTyankee Jul 2022 #76
+100000 bdamomma Jul 2022 #78

mucifer

(25,667 posts)
1. It should be headline news EVERYWHERE about the 10 yo denied an abortion and not this crap
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:10 AM
Jul 2022

Thanks for posting!

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
2. He's so sharp!
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:11 AM
Jul 2022

I would never want to be opposite him in a one-on-one debate; he'd eat my lunch.

SWBTATTReg

(26,257 posts)
34. Ha ha heh...he is certainly sharp as a whip, if I ever ran across him, I'd just give him my
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jul 2022

lunch in advance!! Ha ha heh.

I did support him when he was a presidential contender, and I would support him in a heartbeat again.

Totally Tunsie

(11,852 posts)
3. Looks like Chris Wallace took the shade that
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:14 AM
Jul 2022

"A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" at face value. Why was he questioning the Secretary of Transportation about his views on abortion? Unless the questions concerned interstate travel, why would PB be the one on the hotseat?

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
6. At some point interstate travel might become an issue, since some states
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jul 2022

want to make it impossible for women needing an abortion to travel to other states.

Totally Tunsie

(11,852 posts)
9. I understand that, but looking at the portion of the interview
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:31 AM
Jul 2022

contained in the OP, it doesn't appear as though THAT was the focus of CW's questions...more like he wanted PB's personal opinion of abortion itself.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
10. Oh, of course he was playing gotcha, trying to get an opinion
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:34 AM
Jul 2022

on a controversial topic having nothing to do with Buttigieg's job, maybe to trap him into a statement to be used against him later. Because that's what they do. Pete is too smart to get caught in such an obvious trap, though.

Totally Tunsie

(11,852 posts)
12. Certainly seems that way, doesn't it?
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:38 AM
Jul 2022

I've never liked/trusted Chris Wallace, and this is just another smarmy move on his part.

Pete Buttigieg will have every opportunity to answer such overriding questions when he is running for President.

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
41. Agreed, on Chris Wallace.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:27 PM
Jul 2022

I think Chris Wallace is marginally less horrible than a number of other Fox "News" personalities. But that, my friends, is a pretty low bar!

Pete was brilliant, as usual. He is SO good at this sort of thing.

appmanga

(1,493 posts)
74. There was a time...
Mon Jul 4, 2022, 01:17 AM
Jul 2022

...when Chris Wallace was a serious journalist and damn good at being that.

summer_in_TX

(4,168 posts)
70. Alternate possibility.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:49 PM
Jul 2022

Chris Wallace knew from past experience that Secretary Pete would have an excellent answer that would make it clear for some.

He was giving Pete the opportunity to shine, knowing he would.

plimsoll

(1,690 posts)
56. If they agree to call them
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 04:57 PM
Jul 2022
Fugitive Slut Acts*, it will be the most refreshingly honest legislating from the GOP in a long time.

*Appologies, I find it offensive too, but I'm pretty sure the GOP is thinking in those terms.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
58. Another layer you might consider is that Pete & Chasten used IVF & a surrogate to beget their twins
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 05:42 PM
Jul 2022

By its very nature, IVF results in failed and/or discarded zygotes. When RWNJs define personhood as commencing with a fertilized egg, a slippery slope is created for people who want to have babies but require IVF to do so.

misanthrope

(9,495 posts)
67. Because the excerpt is from a 2019 FOX News town hall
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 09:29 PM
Jul 2022

but apparently a lot of folks have already forgotten about it. I remember it well because I was so impressed with it at the time.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
4. Pete is gaining valuable experience
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:17 AM
Jul 2022

Dealing with the snake pit of the DC media crowd. I agree with President Biden, Pete is the likely future of the Democratic party.

CottonBear

(21,615 posts)
13. Secretary Pete was my Gen Z kiddo's fave candidate during the primaries.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:40 AM
Jul 2022

He is so darned smart and has so much diverse experience, including active military service.

I think he’s amazing.

 

SoFloDenny

(58 posts)
22. And this Boomer's fave candidate during the primaries...
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:03 PM
Jul 2022

Although I am perfectly happy with Joe's performance as president; one of the best in my lifetime.

CottonBear

(21,615 posts)
24. I'm also pleased with Biden's performance as President.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:19 PM
Jul 2022

Secretary Pete is getting excellent federal level experience in his cabinet position. He’s so young and smart. I believe that he’ll be our President in the future.

NH Ethylene

(31,346 posts)
45. He was mine too during the primaries.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:46 PM
Jul 2022

He is a rising star. He did need experience and I am so happy he is getting it in the Biden administration.

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
77. Yup, and given how young he is, he's got a long career ahead of him
Mon Jul 4, 2022, 11:02 AM
Jul 2022

I'm hoping he w be our next Macron or Trudeau. We can certainly use a great unifying figure like him.

FreeState

(10,702 posts)
47. I know several life long GOP members who liked him
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:54 PM
Jul 2022

While they didn’t agree with everything they saw someone they could agree with enough that they would vote for him over TFG.

He was my choice too - and I’m sure he will run again. We should be so lucky if he wins.

peggysue2

(12,533 posts)
7. Boom!
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:27 AM
Jul 2022

Buttigieg gives the perfect answer to the question of late-term abortions without hesitation of hiccup. This is the boogie-man question that gets thrown out there with every debate. It's meant to stop the conversations cold. Buttigieg provides the template, clearly, directly that yes, even the tragedy and heartache of a late-term abortion rests with the mother, family and physician. An then provides the crystal clear reasoning.

Bravo!

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
48. Yes, it was perfect!
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:55 PM
Jul 2022

The very best part is at the end:

"...that decision is not going to be made any better, medically or morally, because the government is dictating how that decision should be made."

That's the bottom line: the question isn't really what's "okay" at what stage of pregnancy. The question is, WHO gets to decide? And the answer is not "the government."

The more I read about forced birthers, the more I've come to realize that they think scads of women would be running around having abortions at the very last possible moment if there weren't laws in place to prevent it. And that's actually the last thing ANYBODY wants to do. An unwanted pregnancy is just that: unwanted, and a woman who wants to terminate typically doesn't want to wait any longer than she has to. They want to get it over with, so they can get on with their lives, not walk around being pregnant for months and months just for the hell of it. Late abortions happen because the woman was planning on having the baby but life threw them a curve ball.

Yes, there are freak exceptions, but they are just that: freak exceptions, which means they are VERY few and far between. Making public policy based on freak exceptions is just plain stupid.

MyOwnPeace

(17,557 posts)
50. But, but......
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 02:06 PM
Jul 2022

they don't UNDERSTAND 'reasonable talk' - they're used to their 'leader' being a babbling idiot!

crickets

(26,168 posts)
18. Well done, Pete!
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:50 AM
Jul 2022

This is a masterful example of how to handle the gotcha questions about late term abortion.
It restores respect and compassion for women going through such a traumatic experience, while forcefully refuting the misinformation loaded in the question.

Blue Owl

(59,104 posts)
19. Pete is the sharpest tool in the shed
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:55 AM
Jul 2022

What a contrast to the sounds that MTG and Boebert make…

renate

(13,776 posts)
61. Exactly! But he doesn't come off as condescending at all
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 06:56 PM
Jul 2022

Even though he is so obviously SO SMART.

AlexSFCA

(6,319 posts)
23. it's by far the beast answer to the question I've seen
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:09 PM
Jul 2022

women who had every intention to carry to term making the impossible choice in third trimester. It’s absolutely brilliant way to shut rwnjs favorite question and with surgical precision at that.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
63. I was about to say, where the hell was Chris Wallace where he got to ask these sorts of questions?
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 07:09 PM
Jul 2022

I thought after the CNN online service that he was supposed to spearhead FAILED miserably, he would just be reduced to more of a talking head role rather than an interviewer, because that's what he's been the few times I've seen him on CNN lately. Being ""one of the most reasonable at Fox""" still means you are more biased than most *actual* journalists.

KPN

(17,377 posts)
26. Man do I hate that privileged arrogant little
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:23 PM
Jul 2022

sniveling prick Chris Wallace. He’d be a nobody without his daddy.

With that off my chest … Pete Buttigieg for President 2028!

azureblue

(2,728 posts)
30. And Chris
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:45 PM
Jul 2022

with that "I think I understand what he said, but I'm not sure, so I better not show it on TV" look.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
28. Ah, Secretary Pete...
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:34 PM
Jul 2022

I follow both Pete and Chasten's IG accounts. They have shared life with their kiddos, which I greatly appreciate. Pete is going to turn out to be our greatest Secretary of Transportation; he is/was definitely Presidential material, and I hope to live long enough to get to vote for him.

He seems to have a real zest for his family and his job. He is just plain fun. It's nice to be able to follow a nice family where you don't have to brace yourself for a negative experience. I really appreciate the occasional glimpse into a well balanced family, and I always wonder where he will appear next. Planes, trains and automobiles, Pete, and G-d bless ya.

Buckeyeblue

(6,352 posts)
33. That's a great answer. One of the best I've ever heard.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jul 2022

I remember the outrage caused by the lies Republicans told about "partial birth abortions." No one took a step back and said, these aren't done whimsically. They are always done out of dire needs. But that's how the Republicans work. They create a problem that doesn't exist and them attempt to solve it with a tyrannical solution. Thus always pushing their agenda forward.

Habibi

(3,605 posts)
35. I agree! Secretary Pete is excellent at breaking down
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:09 PM
Jul 2022

these issues and giving his audience a chance to consider things differently. I think he will make an incredible president one day.

MontanaMama

(24,722 posts)
36. The most important line in that exchange is
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:13 PM
Jul 2022

the last one: “ …the government dictating how that decision should be made”. This should give everyone pause, imho.

LittleGirl

(8,999 posts)
38. That was two years ago
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:15 PM
Jul 2022

And rings true still today.
Pete is from my hometown and I can’t wait to vote for him someday.

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
40. This is how all democratic politicians need to answer MSM, thoughtfully and with purpose
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:27 PM
Jul 2022

Otherwise they leave themselves open to having their words used against them and this happens far too much!

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
42. How does Chris Wallace feel he has a right to question the decisions made regarding any abortion
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:30 PM
Jul 2022

MSM tell me that

DallasNE

(8,008 posts)
51. Why Is Wallace Even Asking The TRANSPORTATION Secretary
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 02:13 PM
Jul 2022

That question? It makes no sense other than throwing out gotcha . It is a fair area for the HHS Secretary but not Transportation..

Grins

(9,459 posts)
52. The "Five words"...
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 03:32 PM
Jul 2022
“So, just to be clear…”

And then the strawman is formed. Good work, Pete.

Picaro

(2,393 posts)
54. Great answer.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 04:21 PM
Jul 2022

The government have to stay out of personal business. it is literally none of their business. Nunya.

CTyankee

(68,201 posts)
76. My stepdaughter is a rabbi in NY (Long Island) and she is strongly pro-choice as a tenet of her
Mon Jul 4, 2022, 08:23 AM
Jul 2022

faith. I love that she is a strong voice for abortion rights, as is her congregation. She works with rabbis across the country who unite in their religious defense of the pro-choice (and pro-woman) rights.

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