My response to AR-15-humpers who say "Come and get it!": "OK!"

[Atticus]

[Mister Ed]

1. Their proposal is...acceptable.

[Frasier Balzov]

2. Before we try doing that, let's try stopping the supply of new product.

[Novara]

3. Yeah. We DO wanna take your guns.

[moonshinegnomie]

4. if you see someone openly carrying a weapon

assume they are an active threat and take appropriate actions

[MineralMan]

6. What actions do you think are appropriate?

And who is going to carry out those actions? Are you volunteering?

[BlackSkimmer]

12. Good question.

I doubt it lol.

[MineralMan]

13. It's always a good question when this sort of suggestion pops up.

Generally, no answer is forthcoming when the question is asked, though.

[BlackSkimmer]

14. Hmm, yes, I noticed that.

Funny, huh?

[MineralMan]

15. I wish it was funny.

Sadly, it's not.

Given the current state of laws, the police can't go and take people's guns. Now, if someone shoots someone with a gun, the police can take some action, but not if someone just has one or is carrying one. There's no law that allows police action.

Until we can make owning weapons based on military firearms designs illegal, our armed law enforcement people can't do much of anything unless someone harms someone else with a firearm.

Individuals, also, are unlikely to be able to "take the law into their own hands," because mostly they don't have any weapons on hand.

So, dumb-ass people carry their guns around and nobody can really do anything about it, because we won't pass laws making that illegal. It's a very difficult issue, and one that won't be solve by bravado posted online, I'm afraid.

I own firearms. I don't carry them around. Now, if someone carrying firearms comes to my house and tries to break in and that someone is not a law enforcement person, I have firearms myself and would defend myself and anyone else in my house. But, I'm not going to take my firearms out on the street and confront assholes carrying firearms. That would be incredibly stupid of me.

We need laws.

[Straw Man]

29. Some nuance.

Given the current state of laws, the police can't go and take people's guns. Now, if someone shoots someone with a gun, the police can take some action, but not if someone just has one or is carrying one.

There are circumstances when they can. It depends on local law, the carrier's legal status, the type of firearm, etc.

[Atticus]

34. I agree "We need laws". Nothing in my OP ruled that out and it was never my intent to do anything

Illegal. I think we should outlaw assault weapons, magazines that hold over 10 rounds and several other firearm accessories and, if manpower is needed to "take" the illegal items, I would volunteer to do so while unarmed, but the OP did not even mention me participating.

I take responsibility for a poorly worded OP that made assumptions that were apparently unwarranted. For that I apologize.

[Atticus]

17. Alone? No. With several other like-minded folks? Yes. But, as some I am sure will point out,

that's easy to say and no real way to prove until the situation actually presents itself.

[MineralMan]

19. Not happening. I'm betting you don't know anyone at all

who is willing to go along with you to "take their guns." I don't know anyone like that. Even my acquaintances who own firearms keep them at home. They aren't going to go out into the street to confront the assholes you're talking about.

Neither, I think, are you.

[BlackSkimmer]

26. Yep.

This.

But, it's been posted on DU doncha know? Take THAT gun-humpers!

[MineralMan]

30. Well, we need to get angry enough to work our butts off

to elect people who will pass the laws needed to control firearms.

I'd suggest that those who talk about going and taking guns away from people get away from their keyboards and start getting out the vote instead.

Sadly, most will not do that, either. And so it goes.

I would point out, also, that the streets of Highland Park, IL had plenty of armed police officers on them. And, yet, some young man was able to shoot many people on that street without being stopped or even caught by all of those armed police officers. I'm not sure how DUers would be more successful than the police were.

That illustrates the poor logic being used here. We have people whose job it is to carry arms to enforce laws. They seem unable to stop some young asshole from shooting up the town. I don't know how amateurs online would do it...

[Atticus]

31. You'd lose that bet. You don't live where I do. But, again, neither of us can prove what we post

so enjoy what's left of the Fourth.😌

[MineralMan]

32. Well, then, I'll wait impatiently to hear about your first success in taking

some guns away from some "AR-15-humping" guys. Let us know when that happens.

[ForgedCrank]

33. I think

that would generally be referred to as strong-arm robbery, plus a host of other stuff in the various states, and almost all would likely be considered felonious offenses.
And that's if you somehow managed to pull off this crime.
I would suggest calling the police if someone is breaking a gun law instead.

[moonshinegnomie]

21. if i said what i thought should be done id be banned here and probably arrested

[MineralMan]

22. Would what you propose involve illegal violence?

If so, how does that solve the problem, I wonder?

[sarisataka]

23. So if you should come across someone

Openly carrying a weapon, will you take the possibly illegal action you are advocating or is it just something you say online?

[MineralMan]

24. I'm guessing it's the second thing you mentioned.

Of course, that's just a guess.

[BlackSkimmer]

28. Ooh.

You sound tough, eh?

[MineralMan]

5. Are you personally ready to go and take those AR-15s from people?

Or is this supposed to be done by the other "we?"

See, the thing is that taking away someone's firearms isn't always easy. They don't want to to take them away, so they're likely to shoot you to prevent that.

I suppose you're speaking in some sort of general terms and you want the "police" or someone to take those firearms from them. Have you talked to those people who you'd send out to do that? They might not be as willing as you might like to risk their lives to do it.

[Amishman]

8. Agreed, if police aren't willing to enter a school to save children

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I really doubt they'll have any interest in putting their lives at risk over this

[MineralMan]

9. Well, yes. But, people often say they want to do something,

when they really mean that they want "someone else" to do something. That's especially true when it's dangerous to do what they claim they want to do.

Calling for action when you're not personally planning to take that action is just foolish. It's also meaningless.

[Amishman]

42. I phrased that poorly, I was agreeing with your general premise

The police aren't going to go do it. Federal law enforcement will rapidly get cold feet.

There are millions of gunners who genuinely mean it when they say from their cold dead hands. I know a few personally.

The only way to get even half the guns, is to make those who have them want to give them up. Threats of prison won't work, they know enforcement will be spotty at best, and more likely completely non-existent in rural areas. The only remotely viable option is greed. After any ban, offer a buyback that pays many times what the gun was ever worth. Sure they want their guns, but offer enough cash that they want the money more. Even that won't get the worst of the radicals, but I'm betting that if the payout is lucrative enough, it will get more than half.

[hunter]

39. As a kid I witnessed my mom going berserker on a fool with a gun.

She took his gun and she broke it.

That's not one of my favorite childhood memories.

Alas, I've experienced the same berserker rage and have the PTSD diagnosis to show for it.

In my family we joke that we are pacifists by necessity, not by any natural inclination.

My rational self believes guns are a public health problem that should be strictly regulated.

You can't buy fentanyl off the shelf at the local drug store and it's illegal to sell it on the streets. So how is it that any fool can buy guns?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. Aaaaand...then what?

[MineralMan]

10. Well, I think that person means that "someone" should go and take them.

That's fairly easy to say, isn't it? But who?

[48656c6c6f20]

11. You can't do that! So they'll say.

And the dead bodies keep matching on. Another glorious fucking day in GunMurka!

[MineralMan]

16. Yes, that's right. You really can't do that.

I can't. You can't. Even the police can't. Not without laws prohibiting such carrying of firearms.

We need laws that can be enforced. Exhortations online won't get it done.

[48656c6c6f20]

36. It's OK, we have plenty of volunteers

That are just dying to die for more glorious days in GunMurka. And the enablers are rampant and strong! We shall always have glorious murder in GunMurka!

[EX500rider]

40. I believe we will aways have murder in every country

And somehow even though the US is #1 in firearms ownership we are #59th in homicides, behind all those scary countries like Bermuda, the Bahamas, Jamaica, Costa Rica etc


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[sarisataka]

18. Please let us know when you get your first

What worked, how did you approach the person or did you break into their house, where they cooperative...

[MineralMan]

20. I advise that you continue breathing while you wait.

[sl8]

25. They've been saying it for a while. How many have you taken so far? nt

[MineralMan]

27. A very good question.

[Elessar Zappa]

37. Gun confiscation will never happen in this country.

[Fla_Democrat]

43. Stack up.....

Keep us informed.